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Questioning Hobson's Logic on Chad Johnson

It's not that I disrespect Geoff Hobson, but there are times that I think he misses points -- or becomes oblivious to the team's bottom line -- make the team and ownership look good. For example, in his latest mailbag, Hobson is adamant that the Bengals keep Chad Johnson... and that they should.

They (Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis) seem to think it's quite ludicrous to trade a potential Hall of Famer for, say, Reggie Nelson and Jonathan Wade. What am I missing?

Reggie Nelson is with the Jacksonville Jaguars, not in the NFL draft. Then this blurb from the Pro Football Talk guys.

Per a league source, Johnson is serious about staying away, despite the cost.

Granted. Most people, even myself to some degree, think that once the paychecks appear, then Chad will return. But nothing is guaranteed with this entire episode. Will he played, won't he play. Will he pout, or just play. Will he play, or simply go through the motions.

If you have a Pro Bowl wide receiver that's potentially a Hall of Famer (like Corey Dillon) that sits out, you're missing his roster spot and whatever return the draft pick could have provided. You also miss the obvious distractions if Chad Johnson sits out -- the funny-ass SportsCenter interviews, the soon-to-be drive way interview, etc... I'm sorry, but if he does sit out, after each loss, the question about Chad Johnson will be asked to Lewis and Palmer (unfairly). You know it. And it will come from the same people that currently pen their support for keeping him, rather than trading him when the chance was presented. Now the question is that if every NFL team knows that the Bengals won't even listen to offers, will anymore show up when the team decides to move him?

The Redskins offered the 21st pick in this year's draft and a conditional third in 2009. Nelson, a decent safety for the Jaguars, was the 21st pick last year.

Wouldn't you take a seventh round pick expecting T.J. Houshmandzadeh? Would you use the same comparisons when Palmer was picked #1 in the 2003 NFL draft while David Carr was first the year before? The only justified comparison from year to year, is predicting contracts based on slots. Not the actual players and their rookie season performances. That would be, what's the word, unproven?

so now you trade him and you've got two unproven players and one fewer Pro Bowl receiver for your Pro Bowl quarterback.

When the Bengals traded Corey Dillon for the #56 pick in the 2004 NFL Draft, the team received unproven Madieu Williams. Even Hobson wrote at the time:

Williams, the man who could have been a trivia question as the 56th pick in the draft, has instead become a Rookie of the Year candidate as he bids to become the first Bengals rookie defensive back to have four interceptions in a season since 1986 and Pro Bowler David Fulcher.

So the bigger risk is whether you keep Chad and he sits, using up a roster spot and losing your opportunity at the best deal that could have already passed by, or you dump the trash and risk the unprovens. Speaking of Fulcher, he had this to say about Chad:

"If Chad doesn't want to be here, man, let him go. Let him go because the stuff he's saying right now, do you really expect that it's not going to be a distraction to the team? It's going to be a distraction." — David Fulcher, Bengals strong safety (1986-92).

Distraction. Distraction. Distraction. Rather than moaning Chad's attitude through the season, why not let a new kid become acquainted with the NFL while using the 2009 pick as another "need" filler.

Frankly, the Bengals were out of their minds if they didn't hang up on the Redskins. Hopefully Mike and Marvin told them to come back with Santana Moss on the table and now they can start talking.

Santana Moss. I'm always told that people are always replaceable. I'm not sure how Chad became an exception that rule. Before he came to Cincinnati, the Mike Brown era Bengals have stunk. When he came to Cincinnati, they continued to stink. During his career here, other than the glorious 2005 season and the half-time locker room "incident", the Bengals have been mediocre at best. So don't replace Chad. Remain status quo. Then complain three months into the season about the Bengals not listening (at least!) to trade offers.

I get both sides of the argument. I do. My school of thought, which could be different than yours (and that's fine), is that there is no chance that this team benefits with Chad in 2008. None. There's too many bridges that need mending really soon, or it won't happen at all. And the main point isn't the draft picks, but the problem within the locker room. Hopefully if Chad comes back, then all that can be put aside. But I'm not that optimistic.

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I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s preposterous to think that the results of keeping Chad can be better than parting ways with him. I totally understand being frustrated at the way he has handled this after receiving all of that money up front and now that the bonuses have been paid and he has to live on (gasp!) $3 million pre-tax. But we should be making the best decisions for our football team and “sticking it to Chad” and having Chad holdout or play disgruntled is not better than receiving compensation for him.

On a random question…

I am a strong believer in getting players out of here who are overpaid and can easily be replaced. I think the obvious players here are Thornton, O’Neal, Jackson and perhaps, even Rudi. But then the thought occurred to me…what if we get an offensive tackle in the draft? Wouldn’t it make sense to cut Stacy Andrews? We would have a tackle to backup Willie and Levi. Bobbie Williams (solid guard) can remain on the field. It is unlikely Stacy signs a long term deal with us anyway considering we’ve been working on it for years and he has us right where he wants us. We would save $7.5 million. Am I wrong? By the way…smart salary cap moves like these make it even more possible that we can trade Chad and sign extra picks.

by mp45242 on Apr 24, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Beautiful, Mike and Marv. Take a stand, for the first time since ever, and still manage to make the exactly wrong football decision. Maybe we could boycott PBS until the Brown family either hires a GM and rides off into the sunset…or…sells the team to someone who does know what they’re doing?

There’s an article up at PFT claiming that Marvin has won back the locker room with his verbal b**slapping of Chad. I don’t buy it. I don’t want Santana Moss, I’d rather have DeSean Jackson or Limas Sweed. To, mp’s list above, I nominate Chris Perry for the recycle bin. I do think O’Neal and Jackson are good to have if only as voices of experience for our young secondary but Thornton and Antonio Chatman, they can go. Fire Sale! Everything Must Go!

PS. The site looks real nice and all but it seems to be down more than it’s up. Or is that just me?

by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 25, 2008 12:33 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

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No, it’s not you. A major hardware problem took down all the sites. They think they got it worked out now.

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by Kirkendall on Apr 25, 2008 7:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Perry

Cutting him only saves $150,000 so as frustrating as it is, I think bringing him to camp and putting him on the PUP list has been the right move. It is still infuriating.

by mp45242 on Apr 25, 2008 11:11 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

RE: however

go-Bengals.com also says cutting him creates $1.42 million in “dead money”. Beerrun will chime in, I know. He’s the resident money dude.

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by Kirkendall on Apr 25, 2008 2:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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