If Ellis is available, would you still go after LB Keith Rivers?
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A fairly healthy percentage of mock drafts are giving Sedrick Ellis the nod as the Bengals clear-cut choice. And most people are fairly satisfied with that pick. We need a talented defensive tackle, badly. But there's a scenario developing. The Rams, it would appear, are favoring LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey as the second pick in the NFL Draft -- not allowing the Rams to go ahead and negotiate with their choice simply because of television coverage is ludicrous.
The New Orleans Saints also see Dorsey as a coveted pick, but they appear to be looking at defensive tackle nonetheless. Here's the problem. They've made it clear that they're interested in moving up the draft. It was generally expected that the Saints would jump several spots to pick Dorsey. But if the Saints leap-frog the Bengals, then Sedrick Ellis may be playing in the Bayou instead of the Queen City. I believe if the Bengals miss Ellis, it will be New Orleans that screws it up for us. Pete Prisco reports that the Saints are in trade discussions with the Rams, swapping first round picks and sending the Saints' starting left tackle to St. Louis. This could work out for us provided either the Rams or Saints pick behind the Bengals.
Palmer supports drafting Ellis while admitted Bengals fan, Kirk Herbstreit puts the smack down on the Cincinnati Bengals.
"I don't know if he fits in Cincinnati because he's too good a character. And yet, is he going to fall into the great abyss of the Cincinnati Bengals or is he going to be able to overcome that?"
"It's an embarrassment to this point," Herbstreit said. "I've been a Bengals fan my entire life, and I really feel at this point — I'm a big Marvin Lewis supporter and fan — but I think he and the staff have created the situation that they're in with Chad Johnson.
"I don't feel pity. I don't feel sorry for them. They kind of had rules for the team and then rules for Chad. This is where you are. Everybody has to be treated the same. In my opinion, this team is back to where we were four or five years ago."
Ouch! It would seem that Bengals and Reds fans are back to common ground -- other than playing in the same city of course. While the Reds are generally a depressing team to watch down the stretch of any season, the Bengals are depressing, well, all the time. Then the Reds introduce new ownership and hope went through the roof similar to how hope exploded after Marvin Lewis was hired. Now, the Reds fire their GM Wayne Krivsky and Reds fans are, while not depressed or anything like that, aren't so sure which direction this team will go. Bengals fans? Well, we kind of expect the worse and go ape-shit when the best (or better than "worse") actually shows up.
On support for Leodis McKelvin.
McKelvin likens himself as the next godly return man like Devin Hester. With the Patriots picking seventh, would they select him to replace Asante Samuel?
On support for Keith Rivers.
I'm with Mark Curnutte on this one. If Ellis isn't available, go after Keith Rivers. It's not that McKelvin is a bad talent or couldn't be useful. But Rivers would be a far more effective player playing nearly every defensive down rather than nickel and a few punt returns -- provided of course that we actually make the opposing offense punt.
I believe... maybe we should think Rivers over Ellis?
It's becoming clear that the Bengals are down to USC's Ellis and Rivers on their board -- with Ellis first. Even so, would you mind if the Bengals jumped Ellis for Rivers? As said on this blog before, there's serviceable talent at defensive tackle later in the draft. But the general consensus is that Rivers is the best linebacker while Ellis is not the best defensive tackle. Perhaps Rivers first, defensive tackle in the second round. There, you addressed two needs with decent talent on defense. With a returning Odell Thurman, two first round cornerbacks, you have to think this defense would immensely improve. Right? I know, I know. It's the Bengals. Blah, blah.
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Given the questions about Dorsey’s health and durability, I think Ellis is the number one DT in the draft. I think athletically they’re about dead even- Ellis ran 5.05- to Dorsey’s 5.12, and did 36 reps- to Dorsey’s 27. Honestly, if somehow both were available, I’d still probably go with Ellis. Still, if the Saints are going all the way up either to St Louis or Atlanta, there’s probably not much we can do to stop them from grabbing Ellis. Sigh.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 25, 2008 10:52 AM EDT 0 recs
You take Ellis
Bottom line, this team simply can’t keep ignoring top-shelf DTs in the draft. Especially when they let just about all the developmental DT projects either walk (Langston Moore, Shaun Smith), get stolen by other teams (Kelly Greg, Matt Toeina) or just plain rot on the bench (Matthias Askew). Honestly, I wouldn’t mind if the went DT in the first and second rounds (Ellis and Sims?). That’s how bad I think the need for DT is.
by BeerRun on Apr 25, 2008 11:10 AM EDT 0 recs
I hope that Ellis is there, but if not, go Rivers
Ellis is one of the closest players to a “sure thing” in an otherwise mediocre draft class. That is why many sportwriters have him going well before #9 regardless of the mocks. Whether he is there are not depends on whether the teams in front of us prioritize talent over position. Will both the Falcons and the Ravens pass on Ryan? Will both the Jets and the Raiders pass on McFadden? Will both the Ravens and the Patriots take CBs over Ellis? Will someone trade down to the Saints?
If Ellis is there, I think it is a no-brainer. Rivers may be the best linebacker in the class, but as far as immediate impact for the Bengals, Ellis has to be the man.
And I agree in spirit with BeerRun—even if we get Ellis, we still take another DT (probably mid to late). The best service we can do for our linebackers is keeping opponents’ guards off of them.
by goffchile on Apr 25, 2008 11:14 AM EDT 0 recs
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Alright, so that’s a no. :)
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by Kirkendall on Apr 25, 2008 11:48 AM EDT 0 recs
No, I'm not happy with the Bengals draft.
I’ve been a Bengals fan for a long time. Like since before Ken Anderson played in the Super Bowl. I have a T-shirt that says, “I Survived the 90s! (No thanks to Mike Brown.). ” I’ve seen the first round pick hold outs (Ricky Hundley…yeah, the former linebackers coach who never played a down for the Bengals), and all of the first round busts (David Klingler, Dan Wilkinson, Reinard Wilson, Akili Smith, Ki-Jana Carter, etc., etc.).
I haven’t seen the Bengals put pressure on an opposing quarterback in oh….a couple of decades! It’s been their obvious weakness for years, but for a couple of recent drafts it seems that they think the answer to their woeful pass defense is to get good young cover cornerbacks. Now listen up, all of you smart young guys. The key to a winning team starts with the lines, on both sides of the ball. The key is to put enough pressure on the opposing quarterbacks to shave fractions of a second off of his decision making time in order to force him into a mistake. And to give your quarterback enough time to make the right decision. Fail in either one on a consistent basis, and you ain’t even going to the playoffs, let alone win a Super Bowl. Case in point…oh, I don’t know…the Bengals?
I was extremely frustrated to see them lose out on Sedrick Ellis to the Ain’ts. No fault of the Bengals, I know. And Keith Rivers may be a very athletic and promising young linebacker with character. But I’m confident in the conviction that he won’t change the complexion of many games as a rookie linebacker. He’ll just fill one of many holes. A nice player on a mediocre team.
The Bengals don’t need another character guy, they need a berserker on the defensive line who’ll go after anyone with the ball in their hand like a wolf after a lambchop. The Bengals need to get mean on defense and have for years. Take some pages from the book of the (I can’t believe I’m say this) Pittsburgh Steelers, who play with passion, intensity and guts on every play.
And all due respect to Rudi, but he’s not the answer to keeping the flies from swarming Carson Palmers supine body. The Bengals also need an improved running game to give Carson a chance.
And I’d make Chad Johnson sit in the corner and suck his thumb until his contract runs out…at about the same time his talent does. He took the money, now he needs to shut up and earn it. He’s all about himself anyway.
Anyway, sorry about the rant. It’s only because I’ve been a fan for YEARS and they haven’t done much lately, except Carson, to justify my loyality and the criticism that I’ve absorbed as a fan.
by Old Man on Apr 26, 2008 9:59 PM EDT 0 recs








