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Bengals post-draft analysis

Note, if you're pissed off about the draft, then I understand. I put a more positive spin on the post-draft wrap-up that I think, and believe, can help this team. If you want to prove differently, go for it.

If you were to ask me "how the Bengals did in this draft" with only one word, I'll go with "solid". Nothing here blows your mind. Nothing will really pump you up like a Carson Palmer pick, or the string of productive cornerbacks the past two seasons. If you were to let me use two words, I'd use "long run" -- drafting a bunch of guys that will likely not make an impression this year, but could be contributors in 2009 and beyond. Perhaps the word should be, contributors. Or role players.

Cris Carter. I love Cris Carter. I grew up watching him in Minnesota. I enjoyed him on HBO's Inside the NFL. And I thought he did a tremendous job on ESPN's Draft Show. Oh, and he said that the Bengals had the best draft.

Keith Rivers. The Bengals selected their man at linebacker for a long time and Lewis wasn't afraid to call Rivers an All-Pro for many seasons. The role of "foundation development" was supposed to take place during the 2005 NFL Draft with Odell Thurman and David Pollack. Three years later, Pollack is retired and Thurman is just now returning after a two-year suspension. Guys like Caleb Miller and Landon Johnson are gone. Rivers offers the team quality leadership, sustaining defensive stability and (I hate this phrase) high character.

Linebackers shaping up. Rivers was the guy Marvin Lewis and company targeted if defensive tackle mega-god Sedrick Ellis was picked. As it happens, the Saints swapped their first round pick with the Patriots and offered their third for Ellis. While we begged for mega-god defensive tackle, I believe the Bengals acquired additional intangibles with Rivers.

At this point, the Bengals first eight linebackers could look like this.

  1. Keith Rivers
  2. Ahmad Brooks
  3. Dhani Jones
  4. Rashad Jeanty
  5. Odell Thurman
  6. Corey Mays
  7. Eric Henderson
  8. Darryl Blackstock

Of course, 6-8, you could probably mix and match players like Angelo Craig, Roy Manning, Jim Maxwell or Anthony Schlegel. Even so, that list is far more encouraging than how it appeared last season. We have a good pool of linebackers to pick from during training camp. Don't you agree?

No Chad Trade... but acting like Chad is gone anyway. If the Bengals were to make a trade for Chad Johnson, it would have been on Saturday, if at all. It didn't happen. The Bengals did a good job stocking the position with two quality receivers that will likely compete for a spot anywhere between #2 and #5. We're assuming that Chad is a man of his word and never plays for the Bengals again. While it might seem that the position will be weak in 2008 with youth, the Bengals quietly created a youth movement with Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell to go along with Glenn Holt and Marcus Maxwell and Louisville wide receiver, Mario Urrutia. With T.J. Houshmandzadeh, the Bengals still have Antonio Chatman and Doug Gabriel for experience. And as long as Chad and T.J. get the bulk of the practice and playing time, we won't see how good these kids are. Perhaps it's about that time. Let's not lie to ourselves. We are, after all, entering a rebuilding season.

Also, you have to consider that T.J. Houshmandzadeh is entering the final year under contract.

What we missed. I thought for sure the Bengals would address defensive end. Now the Angelo Craig pick could mean that the Bengals will use him as an end (doubtful though). Or it could mean that the team is giving Frostee Rucker a shot and think that Jonathan Fanene can handle that role. If that were the case, the Bengals would have a decent four player rotation at end if Rucker shows up and Fanene sustains production. Not mind blowing, but serviceable with Robert Geathers and Antwan Odom as guys with productive sack seasons.

Setting up a future of new tackles -- but trouble could be brewing. The Bengals could be in serious trouble with their offensive linemen this time next year. Willie Anderson is simply getting older and we can't imagine he'll be able to work through many more seasons. Levi Jones has expressed an interest -- though far less demanding than Chad -- for a trade. Stacy Andrews is locked up for one season. And after playing with a franchise contract, we can't imagine he'll come cheap. Though how many tackles are?

I liked the Anthony Collins pick up. Most reports say he's not ready and will likely be the team's newest project like Andrews -- with great results, I might add. If that's the case, and it takes a good two years to develop the tackle from Kansas, then Collins could easily slid into right tackle once Anderson retires.

As for the left tackle, we can only guess that Levi Jones will settle disputes with his coaches and get back on board. Otherwise, Jones could find himself playing with the Bengals for the final season while the Bengals feverishly knock out a long-term deal with Andrews. Otherwise, look for the team to address offensive line in next year's draft -- it was a need this year, it could be a must next.

Circumstances prevented the Bengals from stock-piling talented tackles. Too many tackles were taken too quickly in this draft -- seven in the first round. And it wouldn't have made sense to that this year. Anything can happen from this point until next year where Jones is back on board and Andrews signs a long-term deal. So the Bengals did the right thing and pick up a guy with big upswing that will need to be mentored for some time.

The Bengals would be wise using patience with the offensive line until more questions are answered. So stock other positions.

Defensive tackles. I'm not going to lie. I can't envision Pat Sims bringing that much more than Domata Peko. Some of you might be fine with that, but I've never thought highly of Peko as an every down defensive tackle. Cincinnati also took a huge risk in Fresno State defensive tackle Jason Shirley coming into the draft with character concerns.

I do think that the Bengals filled a talent gap at defensive tackle at a whole -- but didn't cover the ground I would have liked. Once Ellis went early, the Bengals had to go with Rivers at linebacker. After that, they lost their opportunity with Kentwan Balmer. Many will, and perhaps should, cry out that the Bengals went after a small school receiver while Trevor Laws -- the fourth defensive tackle drafted -- went one spot later. Though one could argue that there will be minimal gaines between Laws and Sims so waiting until the third round might have been the right move. In the end, we just won't know for several seasons.

A potential sleeper tight end? The Bengals were scouting Fred Davis and Dustin Keller in detail assuming that the team would go after a tight end. While none of us thought that the team would pick one early, we knew they'd hit the position eventually. Matt Sherry brings more dynamics with the team than just a simple third tight end. Consider for a moment that Reggie Kelly would likely play more H-Back than before -- where his talents are best utilized. With Ben Utecht and Sherry lining up in double tight end sets, it gives the Bengals a good look with fast pass-catching tight ends. For example, the team could line up big with two tight ends and pass the ball rather than run like the defense might expect -- we are, after all, a team of trends.

Why I liked the Corey Lynch pick up. With Lynch the Bengals solidify a special teams unit that's incredibly frustrating. He's an in-your-face tackler that can lead a group of talented special teams players for us. He won't win games on defense. He won't scored touchdowns on defense. But he'll be the guy that makes sure the other team doesn't do well on special teams. Admit it, we need that!

Conclusion. From the comments, I can tell many of you are upset with the draft. I still think this team did well stocking positions, addressing their biggest needs early and immensely improved their special teams.

They didn't impress with improving talent on the defensive line, but once the first two rounds had gone by, it wasn't going to be a significant talent increase anyway.

Anyway, that's my opinion. What's yours.

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Finish this statement. The Bengals draft was...
  • Great. They picked up some awesome talent.
  • Good. A few starters, but good depth guys.
  • So-so. I expected so much better but I'll take it.
  • Bad. I could have done so much better.

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A rock solid, athletic, high character linebacker that can play anywhere on the second level.

Simpson and Caldwell to replace Blocho Twinco.

A promising nose tackle, Pat Sims, that may, I repeat, may help us forget about Sedric Ellis. A steal in round three in any event.

A first team all-American and Outland Trophy nominee OT in Anthony Collins, that’s only been playing football since his junior year of high school, highway robbery in the fourth round.

A solid safety in Corey Lynch and pass receiving tight endin Villanova’s Sherry.

And a handful of projects; Shirley with off-filed/alcohol issues, Urrutia with injury/concentration issues, and Craig with unspecified team-rule breaking issues.

If one of those three projects pans out, particularly the behemoth- 6-6 330lb, Jason Shirley or the Calvin Johnson-physiqued- 6-6 235lb, Mario Urrutia, we’ll really be ahead of the game.

The receiver situation should be solid. The linebacking corps borderline fantastic. The secondary, just building on how they were playing towards the end of last season, should be a positive force. The D-Line, particularly if we move Eric Henderson into more of a rush end role should shape up well on the ends. And Peko, with Sims, and hopefully a better contribution from Rucker and a healthy Fanene, should at least stabilize the interior.

Hopefully, Willie is healthy, Levi is just blowing off steam, Ghiaciuc has got a better handle on getting some push into the center of the defensive front, Rudi has started eating meat again, TJ can get used to lower numbers as he gets doubled, and we can count on 30+ receptions from the tight end position.

Overall grade of this draft, just on paper: C+ trendng upwards.
10 picks; seven solid values, and three rolls of the dice.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 27, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Agreed on the grade

If you take these guys and place them in now, I think that’s a fair grade. But your key word “tending upwards” should be kept in mind through next season and perhaps the one after that. Like I said, I don’t think we have many guys - other than Rivers, we might not have anymore - that will be instant impacts.

But we have guys getting long in the tooth, contracts expiring after this season… these guys will be good for the long run.

Thanks for hanging around this weekend, man.

Blogger at CincyJungle.com

by Kirkendall on Apr 27, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

RE: Simpson

On Chick Ludwig’s blog, a reader wrote:

"Every year this team makes its fans harder and harder to support them. This is another stupid draft. They could have traded up to get (Sedrick) Ellis. And in the second round, they pick a wid out from Podunk U. I think the inmates are running the asylum ."

I simply don’t understand that. We do not know what happened with the trade. Did the Bengals call the Chiefs, Jets or Patriots? Probably not. The Chiefs stole Glenn Dorsey, the Jets got Vernon Gholston after some serious Radio City pressure. The Patriots, perhaps, but we don’t know if they called and it would have been too late to react after the Saints moved into position—whom we knew were working a trade.

I understand the frustration, but we don’t know if they did anything, or tried everything. Though I suppose history with this organization makes us think that way. And boy, I understand that.

Blogger at CincyJungle.com

by Kirkendall on Apr 27, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Re: that Ludwig reader's shortsightedness

After a little research, I think Simpson has the best hands in the draft, great leaping ability, better than average size and speed. Just because he’s relatively unknown and went to a small school doesn’t mean he isn’t a baller. Ask Walter Payton(Jackson St.), Jerry Rice(Miss. Valley State), Ken Anderson(Augustana), or Osi Umenyora(Troy). I’m not saying Jerome Simpson is a Hall of Famer- and, unlike Chad, neither is he ;) – but he’s missing that one glaring deficiency that each of the more hyped bigschool receivers we passed on have.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 27, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

But for now

I’m going to take a shower, grab a bite to eat and play Halo for a bit. Time to unwind. :) I’ll be back a bit later.

Blogger at CincyJungle.com

by Kirkendall on Apr 27, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Good draft

They should have been more creative and traded up for Ellis, tho.

Sims has the talent to be our Sam Adams (the good, young Sam from Baltimore, not the fat injured guy we had for a year).

Jason “don’t call me” Shirley’s off-field issues don’t bug me. He’s a 5th round pick and will be out the door as fast as AJ Nicholson if he screws up. The problem isn’t taking guys with character risks. All teams do that. The problem is that the Bengals would take them in the second and third rounds, making them much harder to dispose of when they blew up.

All the receivers and no RBs is a good thing. We have plenty of backs, even if half of them are rehabbing, but Henry is already gone and both Chad and TJ could be after 2008. WRs need time to develop, even Chad wasn’t an instant stud. Best to get them in and working now.

We picked up some good starters, some potential studs, quality depth and some promising late round projects. Overall, I like it.

by BeerRun on Apr 27, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I believe the quality of this draft should be judged on the amount that we were able to improve our front 7. This comes down to the question, should we have traded our 3rd pick to go get Ellis. To think about this, I made a list of players from the last three drafts that Scout’s Inc ranked near 82, Sims’s rank.
2007

Turk McBride 82 #54 KC
Demarcus Tyler 80 #82 KC
Brandon Mebane 76 #85 SEA

2006

John McCargo 82 #26 Buf
Claude Wroten 86 #68 StL
Gabe Watson 87 #107 Arz
Demato Peko 46 #123 Cin
Orien Harris 81 #133 Pit
Kyle Williams 77 #134 Buf

2005

Luis Castillo 86 #28 SD
Mike Patterson 85 #31 Phi
Jonathan Babineaux 80 #59 Atl

Top 10

Amobi Okeye, Adam Carrikker, Haloti Ngata, Brodrick Bunkley

by R.F. Mehl on Apr 27, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Mebane, McCargo, Watson, Peko, Williams, Castillo, Patterson, and Babineaux were starters last year. Of the Top 10 picks, I would say Ngata is a difference maker, but the other guys aren’t too special.
So, I think I’m happy with the Rivers/Sims combo.

As for the rest of the draft, I will trust that the WRs are good choices. The people making those decisions have a pretty good track record. I also trust Alexander can coach up the tackle from Kansas by the time he will be needed.

by R.F. Mehl on Apr 27, 2008 9:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Bengals should take him. He is an amazing player. It runs in the family…Im an Evangelical Christian School football team manager and let me tell you! Being at the field with the Lynch’s everyday makes you learn something. Take him and I guarantee you a better team!

You are one of my new favorite teams!

by alice! on Apr 27, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Alice!, are you talking about Corey Lynch, the safety from App. State? Cause we did take him and I’m glad we did. Heck, I would have liked to have had WR Dexter Jackson from App. State as well.

I must confess, as an Ohio State fanatic, any one from that Appalachian State team that dismantled Michigan last year has a home here with us. ;)

by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 27, 2008 10:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

“At this point, the Bengals first eight linebackers could look like this.

Keith Rivers
Ahmad Brooks
Dhani Jones
Odell Thurman
Corey Mays
Eric Henderson
Darryl Blackstock
Brandon Johnson “

Did you just forget Jeanty… or did something happen and I missed it?!?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/signup.pl?ref=2703832

by kirby28 on Apr 28, 2008 1:34 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

RE:

You got me. I missed him. I was on the computer all weekend and struggling like a mother typing today. It should be corrected soon.

Blogger at CincyJungle.com

by Kirkendall on Apr 28, 2008 1:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Cool… i was doing google searches trying to figure out what happened. =) “No way we lost a solid non-problem guy!”

http://goallineblitz.com/game/signup.pl?ref=2703832

by kirby28 on Apr 28, 2008 2:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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