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Bengals cut Thurman for missing voluntary workouts

UPDATE III: No plans for grievance, writes Mark Curnutte.

UPDATE II: I did a Google search scouring Georgia county web sites that had searchable databases of anything Thurman. Such as arrests, dockets or reports. Nothing.

Who Dey Revolution concludes, "the Bengals ridding themselves of another unreliable player." I suppose there's a point to be made there. Though I would contend, unlike Michael David Smith, that Thurman's "long history of off-field problems", "with the law", is a bit of an overstatement. During his Bengals reign, his arrest came with a DUI that subsequently banned him for the next 28 games, was his sole problem with the law. Not supporting that little fact. But hardly a history. And hardly in comparison with the league's most violent and notorious offenders.

If he were arrested yesterday, or even at some point this calendar year, I would have the same reaction I did with Chris Henry. Adios. But he didn't. For all we knew, or were told from our ultra-informative media, he's been walking the line since, save an accusation that turned to nothing but hot air.

Some will make good reason for the Bengals cutting the linebacker. But the timing couldn't have been worse in Thurman's personal life, and the team, the players still on the roster, will think twice about spending time with their families if something unfortunate happens to their families.

Stripe Hype is gathering impressions with Bengals forums.

UPDATE: It's official. The Bengals have cut Odell Thurman (it's the same link as below, just updated).

"The NFL provided Odell the opportunity to earn his way back onto our team, but we have not seen the right steps taken by him," Lewis said in the statement. "With our offseason work in progress and new talent added at our linebacker position, we've determined it's best to keep moving in a direction that does not include Odell."

ORIGINAL: If reports are true, and the Bengals are releasing Odell Thurman for missing VOLUNTARY workouts several days after the death of his grandmother, then I officially find this to be incredibly low. Abandoning your family for VOLUNTARY workouts? Who would do that?

It was Marvin Lewis that called Thurman's representatives, Safarrah Lawson and said:

Thurman missed three voluntary on-field practices. Lawson said Lewis told him that the Bengals needed Thurman in the building, that he wasn’t in the building and that they were going in a different direction.

If all these reports are true, then this is just another example of how classless and clueless Lewis and the Bengals really are. I liked my blinders, but they're getting too thin to cover my eyes. There's also the issue of violating the Collective Bargaining Agreement, as per the PFT guys.

If the contention regarding the reason for the release is accurate, the move would be a clear violation of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, since the workouts were voluntary in nature.  Over the past several years, a chronic failure by the NFL Players Association to enforce this rule has contributed to an atmosphere in which teams often think that they can treat attendance at the voluntary drills as mandatory — and thus they often do.

My first thought was, crap. In trouble again. Nope. It's because Thurman wasn't at voluntary camp, as per the initial reports. To me, it seems like the Bengals were angling themselves to cut Thurman anyway. That's the only reason that I can think of. Then again, why let him go this far and not cut him at the first opportunity? You never think that this team can twist the screws of their own dismal Public Relations, but they surprisingly have no problems finding more.

Thurman headed for exit [Bengals.com]
Agent: Thurman is out [Enquirer]

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Must be something else...

If there isn’t anything else to this move then I might have to be a browns backer. Thurman was a playmaker. This news really makes me lose confidence in the coming season. I hope Rivers can pick up the slack.

by mskiles314 on May 19, 2008 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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I don’t know if there’s anything else. Jasper county records don’t show anything—that I could find, at least.

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by Kirkendall on May 19, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Cut for missing camp

Cut for missing WORK! Hey this guy has been gone for two YEARS. If you want your JOB then Work at it. We all have personal problems at times and deal with them in different ways. The way Thurman dealt with it has affected his job. IT HAPPENS!!! We are not all the same!
Lets STOP the BLAME game and crying for the po’boy. What a short memory we have with Thurman, as several times in the past (b4 suspension) it has been the same thing for not being here, “family matters!” Think back.
Stop the BROWN”S bashing BS!
If you need to BLAME, then its THURMAN

by emdrr on May 19, 2008 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's voluntary

Missing work, that’s called voluntary, is the key here—which could hurt the Bengals. Chad Johnson is missing work. And he’s been the biggest bane with the Bengals this off-season. Ahmad Brooks is missing work for injury and he’s charged with slamming a woman in the face. T.J. Houshmandzadeh is missing work, though we have to rely on his word that he’s “working” in California.

So, in a sense, the way that Chad has missed work, should affect his job. As T.J. and Levi. But then we’re going to conclude that missing work for voluntary practice is, well, not that big of a deal when our two star receivers are not here—or our rookies because they’re not allowed. Right?

Anyway, waiving Thurman, I believe, isn’t a good move simply because it hurts our linebacker depth. But it’s all for naught anyway, isn’t it? But I’m not going to blame Thurman for a major death in his life and not being back for a misunderstanding of the word “voluntary”.

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by Kirkendall on May 19, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow… Brooks moved to SLB.. so Dhani is our MLB?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/signup.pl?ref=2703832

by kirby28 on May 19, 2008 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad move Bengals!

The guy just buried the the lady who helped raise him, his grandmother. Pisssssss poor management!

by mujahini on May 19, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bengals AND Thurman are to blame

Thurman shouldn’t have been suspended for 2 years by the NFL. That’s his fault. The Bengals chose to keep the guy for 2 years while he was suspended, then cut him when he missed VOLUNTARY workouts because his grandmother died. Why didn’t they cut him when they found out he was suspended?

Both parties in this case are S-T-U-P-I-D.

Tom Blogical

by Tom Blogical on May 19, 2008 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Aye.

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by Kirkendall on May 19, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About "voluntary" workouts

If a team calls them voluntary, yet decides to keep track of attendance and holds lack of attendance against the player in question later, then they need to find a different description of the workouts.

You know. Like the word MANDATORY.

This kind of crap reminds me of the idiot Coughlin and his rules for being “late”. If you’re not at a team meeting 5 minutes early, he considers you late for the meeting.

Whatever happened to the K.I.S.S. method?

Tom Blogical

by Tom Blogical on May 19, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

there has to be more to the story

I find this quite shocking. I honestly thought it had to be a joke. There has to be more to the story other than the missing voluntary workouts for the funeral. One of two things-he is nowhere near being ready to play and the Bengals are cutting him like they would cut any player that was out of shape most likely not going to make the team, or they know something we don’t-like he’s been drinking—and they aren’t going to wait for another incident.

In either case, the timing is awkward and its a shame all the way around.

by goffchile on May 19, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Agreed with goffchile. There is no way it had to do with just the workouts he missed and we may never find out. Maybe something happened to him that didn’t lead to an arrest but there was trouble. With as much leeway as we’ve given him over the past few seasons, there’s no way that we cut him solely for missing a few voluntary workouts. There has to be more to the story and if there is…if he slipped up again, I think we are right to cut him.

What’s ridiculous is that we are getting rid of these guys and then signing Shirley, Purify, Hebert…it seems hypocritical. Maybe the stance is that we’ll give these guys a shot and now get them the hell out if they are turds.

by mp45242 on May 19, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is so incredibly misguided.

Even though Thurman’s probably classified in the NFL circles as a “low-character” guy, the Bengals decision to get rid of him is stupid. I’m sure the way they see it, they’re cleaning up the team’s image by getting rid of a guy who’s had problems in the past. But cutting a guy for missing voluntary workouts to attend his grandmother’s funeral? Come on. This has to be a tough time for Odell anyways, considering his grandmother was reportedly the one who raised him… talk about kicking a guy when he’s down. Especially after he’s spent the last two years trying to get back into the NFL and finally got reinstated.

I really hope there’s something else to this other than missing workouts. Odell has shown huge talent, and with this team’s linebacker situation, I can’t imagine that he’ll be easy to replace.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 19, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whut?

If I remember correctly, The Bengals blog- and Hobson, presumably, said, in advance of this past OTA, that Odell would not be in attendance precisely because of his grandmother’s passing. It was like they announced it in advance so that folks like us wouldn’t read all sorts of things into his not being there. When it was announced last year, just out of the blue, that Odell had been tagged with an unprecedented second year’s suspension, I was up in arms at the NFL and the Bengals for offering no explanation- it wouldn’t have to be specific just perhaps the nature of whatever the offense. Then, this. Fuck, man, this hurts. I just happened to hear the news on WLW a few minutes ago and it really took the wind out of my sails. If you go back to his initial offense and think about it, I don’t know anybody other than maybe a soldier or a pilot who actually loses their job over a DUI. I’m pissed.

by IgnatiusJReilly on May 19, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This will come back to bite us

I can just imagine how motivated Thurmond will be when (not if) he plays against the Bengals on another team. Ditto for Chris Henry. Some team will be lauded for giving Thurmond another chance; the Bengals will be worse off for it. I’m sure the Steelers and Ravens would LOVE to take a flier on Thurmond.

"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius

by TarZander on May 19, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mike and Marvin are the Keystone Kops of the professional sports world. Every move they make, given a choice, is the wrong one. They decide to refocus on a power running game- but with the exact same players who couldn’t run their way out of a wet paper bag last year. They let Chad sit and fester when they could have got two first round picks for his sorry ass, when they may have actually been right to let him go, they kept Odell, and, now, when they need his sheer physical ability more than ever, they let him go. These people have no business running a public school cafeteria, much less an NFL franchise.

by IgnatiusJReilly on May 19, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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