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If you have the NFL Network -- and going by subscription rates for the Network, you probably don't -- then tune in on June 9 for "The Freezer Bowl".

There is no offseason thinks weird things are happening in Cincinnati, including the premise of not re-signing T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Let's see. Players not being arrested, previously suspended players being waived, not putting up with 30-year wide receivers and the team acquiring "high character guys"? They're right, things are weird in Cincinnati.

On May 21, we examined if Jeremi Johnson would be a casualty when the Bengals broke training camp because the team appears to be going with spread-like tendencies (well, reportedly), while Daniel Coats gets work in the backfield. That was one of Chick Ludwig's reasons... his first is something called Fatosis. I also think that the Bengals are better suited with Rudi Johnson, Chris Perry, Kenny Watson and DeDe Dorsey as their four running backs. Everything you look at all points to Jeremi's exit.

Who Dey Revolution agrees with Sal Paolantonio's assertion that Marvin Lewis is overrated. My question for all of those that think he's overrated (and there's a ton of you): Where did you rate him "great" anyway? He had upswing, prospect and, no doubt, got us far removed from a depressing 2-14 season. But he didn't have his first winning season until his third season, nor won a playoff game yet. Over-rated? Nah. He just hasn't done well to begin with. If you over-rate someone based on expectations, then that's just your fault for driving that person's worth.

Right now, I expect that the Bengals will take Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Jerome Simpson, Andre Caldwell, Glenn Holt and Marcus Maxwell into the first regular season game. In other words, I don't see Antonio Chatman making the team with, perhaps, Mario Urrutia on the practice squad.

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I absolutely want Chatman off the team and have for years. He’s like Steve Smith except shorter and sh*tty and more injury prone. But my question is (and I think why the Bengals value him a bit more) is who returns punts if he doesn’t? I remember Deltha and TJ doing it back in the day but I think those days are over. Simpson seems more like a kick returner. Perhaps Caldwell could do it but outside of that, I don’t see too many others.

by mp45242 on Jun 2, 2008 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Holt?

Should be considered, I’d assume.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jun 2, 2008 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Holt has 0 punt returns for 0 yards. Kick returning doesn’t necessarily translate to punt return ability.

I’m rooting against it but I think Chatman makes the squad because they think he can return punts. I hope Caldwell can displace him. I really don’t see anyone else.

by mp45242 on Jun 2, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

My point...

Is that someone will show up, for sure. Especially when training camp kicks off. We could always re-sign Ratliff. ;-)

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by Josh Kirkendall on Jun 2, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I certainly hope so

Carrying a 5-8 receiver without the speed/quickness of Steve Smith or the return ability of Dante Hall is ridiculous. Still, we’ve done it the past few seasons.

My guess is that he’s there but I’m hoping you are right.

by whodey on Jun 2, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

On the Marvin Lewis thing..

Lewis has brought a team that was simply abysmal to the level of mediocrity. Whether that is fulfilling expectations or not-probably not, since fans expect championships and its has been a long drought in Cincinnati. Personally, I think Lewis inherited a team that much worse shape than the our won-loss records indicated. I have scrolled through some of those rosters and it is honestly stunning how bad they were. He wasn’t starting from scratch, he was starting from a deep whole. I tend to be on the “blame the front office” bandwagon largely because I think the Bengals do a horrible job of identifiying, developing, and keeping talent. It has nothing to do with being stingy (if anything, the Bengals could be more stingy-or at least less sentimental), it is just poor personnel management.

If I recall correctly, the buzz about hiring Marvin Lewis was that he was a defensive coach and would help turn the Bengals into a strong defensive squad, and it was implied, if not explicitly stated, that he would have more control over player personnel than previous coaches. How true the latter point is, I have no idea. I have wondered since it seems like the Bengals have much more payroll locked up on offense than on defense (never done the math here, but it seems to be the case) which is a very typical “Mike Brown” formula. If you can’t win, at least keep it high scoring. I guess I am still willing to give Marvin the benefit of the doubt.

by goffchile on Jun 2, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Look at today's date

June 2, 2008! All I can think of is; why is Chad still a Bengal? Why, oh, why?

Caldwell can return punts like Chatman never could. Though I guess that could depend on where he ends up in the receivers rotation- i.e., if his role there is too vital you might not want to risk him returning. In that case, what about Dede Dorsey as a punt returner to augment a perhaps diminished role in the backfield with the return of Perry?

Assuming Chad is gone, we don’t re-sign TJ for big bucks because he isn’t now, nor can he ever be a number one receiver- he’s just not fast/explosive enough- which is what you gotta have for that kind of money.

Just on the numbers, say where our D ranked last year versus the year previous to his arrival, I’ve got to say that the tag, “defensive guru” isn’t apt. I read somewhere that the stats for his time with that vaunted Ravens D were about exactly the same as those for a similar amount of years after he left- which says to me it was more 52 than Marvin that gave that unit it’s fire. I’m sure the ten-thumbed hands of Mike Brown figure into this at least partially but, except for that fluke year with all the forced turnovers, I’d have to say the D has gotten even more inept. Of course, when the last first day DT pick here was Dan Wilkinson in, what, ‘94?- how you gonna stop anyone. Don’t get me wrong, I’m actually optimistic about this years D- a little less maybe now that they axed Odell. But I’ve given up on the defensive superlatives as applied to Marvin. I also hold Lewis responsible for letting the Chad thing get to this point and, then, for not cutting the deal when it did. “In Marvin We Trust?” I don’t trust anyone in that front office as long as it’s the Mikey and Katie show- what a bunch of maroons..

by IgnatiusJReilly on Jun 2, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

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