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It's the defense that has me optimistic

"I've had it with these motherf*%@ing snakes on this motherf*%@ing plane!"
- Samuel L. Jackson on Snakes on a Plane, a nomination for my favorite movie quote in 2006.

When last season ended, Marvin Lewis said, "It's time for us to blow the whole thing up and start from scratch." The quote was in response to his own energy, wondering if he was worn down. At the time, I got the impression that Lewis meant he was taking the team, blowing it up, and starting from scratch. Of course the reality of today's NFL prevents teams from dumping half their roster, and rebuilding from scratch. Too many salary cap implications and you just can't "rebuild" half a team in one off-season.

Half-a-year later, it's apparent his intention was to time-travel back to 2003, rebuilding the team's moral, spirits, unity and the defense. For several seasons, it's been hinted that Marvin Lewis lost the locker room due to double-standard and special treatment of Chad Johnson. It's now hinted that the way Lewis handled Johnson this off-season, his players started gravitating back to the coach, regaining their confidence.

But it was the defense that saw the biggest "blow up". And in truth, it's been an ongoing project for the past three off seasons. After the failure (perhaps intentionally) re-signing Justin Smith, Madieu Williams and Landon Johnson -- the team's leading players on the line, at linebacker and in the secondary -- they supplemented. Losing Justin Smith meant acquiring Antwan Odom (the team's biggest free agency acquisition). Losing Johnson, and other role playing linebackers, mostly on special teams, the team drafted Keith Rivers and signed new role players, mostly for special teams. When the team lost Williams, they put their money in the bank of youthful transition; which included the permanent demotion of Deltha O'Neal.

Note: $88 million of contracts were handed out to Williams, Smith and Landon this off-season.

This season, the Bengals figure to have Domata Peko, Keith Rivers, Ahmad Brooks, Johnathan Joseph, Leon Hall, Robert Geathers, and Marvin White starting on defense -- all players the Bengals have drafted in recent off-seasons. Pat Sims and Jason Shirley project themselves as a rotational defensive line within the next season while Jonathan Fanene will rotate at tackle and end. The key thing to note here is their youth and upswing on the line while playing with Antwan Odom and Robert Geathers -- two noted sackers.

This youthful transition took place in the secondary between 2006 and 2007 with guys like Hall, Joseph, White and Chinedum Ndukwe -- who's one bad Dexter Jackson play from starting himself and the team's best LB/S hybrid. The biggest hole in the whole defensive transition was at linebacker after a failed 2005 draft and seeing the team's drafted linebackers in 2004 leave for another team (aka, Landon Johnson), or simply unemployed (aka, Caleb Miller).

The Ahmad Brooks project remains at status: potential. In 2006, Brooks secured Thurman's spot, but couldn't keep it because he was often out of place allowing big plays. In 2007, he suffered an injury that saw his season lost, among 441 other Bengals linebackers. The surprise player of 2007, Dhani Jones, earned a new contract and was announced as the team's starting middle linebacker while Rivers and Brooks will flank him. The depth at linebacker isn't great, but it is good -- and that means quality special teams talent.

Then there's Mike Zimmer, who unlike his predecessor Leslie Frazier or Chuck Bresnahan, quickly earned his player's respect. Expecting the team to run a base 4-3, imploring a higher ratio of 3-4 sets, a key change is the team's philosophy to bump-and-run becoming more physical with the opponent's receivers in an effort to delay the quarterback's release so guys like Geathers and Odom can do their thing. With a physical secondary expected, the Bengals are firing up their base with the intension of getting to the quarterback with frequency.

Personally speaking, I feel more energized about this season because this defense is expected to be the best during the Marvin Lewis era. Now, I've always been an optimist, so it could be "blowed up" in my face. Depth-wise, this defense is better. Talent-wise, the starters are good, some very unproven though. Coaching-wise, this schemes are projected to be much more aggressive. I'm on board, but many aren't reciting the historical let-downs during high-optimistic off-seasons. Hell, we've had a lot. But I don't remember a time that this team, with Marvin Lewis leading, that's been promoted as enthusiastic as this since Lewis' first season.

So yea, I'm pumped for this season.

Oddly enough, it's the defense that has me optimistic.

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Growing Pains

I’m on board too, I think the defense has the makings of a very solid one, though I expect there to be a lot of growing pains. There are plenty of new faces, a new coordinator, and new schemes, I think early in the year the offense is going to have to carry the team. By the end of the season, and especially next year, I think the defense will be upper half of the league.

Zimmer is going to get it done, but we need to remember his #3 rated D in Dallas was in his SECOND season as coordinator, they were not great in his first year. If this team could finish 20th or better in overall defense this year that would be a huge improvement, and might buy a couple of extra wins. It’s hard to preach patience when you’ve been .500 or worse (or much much worse) 16 of the last 17 years, but while I’m hopeful, I really think they might be a year away.

by Galaxy CDS on Jul 26, 2008 1:46 PM EDT   0 recs

Kool-Aid Drinkers

You guys are fairly delusional if you think that magically the defense is going to be good because of a new coordinator and because…of what else? Odom? ...a couple of second year safeties that we’re all praying can play at a decent level? ...or that a rookie linebacker is going to be a stud?

A lot of what if’s.

Didn’t Mickey say something to Rocky like,

“Well you can wish in one hand and cr@p in the other.”

That’s what we’re all doing if we think this defense is just going to magically turn the corner.

I sure hope they will…but I don’t see it happening fellas.

I agree that letting Smith, LandonJ and Madieu go was the right thing to do. I also am cautiously optimistic that our safties, Odom and the rookie linebacker “COULD” turn out to be decent players. A lotta wishing—thats what that is.

And Dhani Jones is NOT the answer at middle linebacker. That’s flat our embarrasing. There’s a reason why two teams cut him last year. He did a commendable job last year for this unit. But if the Bengals defense is ever going to command respect from opposing offenses, it’s not going to happen with him as our Mike.

There are still ZERO play makers on that side of the ball. Until even ONE player steps up, can any of us really act like they’re a top-10 unit??

by JohnCockToastin on Jul 26, 2008 3:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Top 10?

I don’t think either of us said anything about them being top 10, my most optimistic statement was upper half of the league, which would be 16th or a bit better. I pointed out that I don’t believe in fact they will be very good at all early BECAUSE of all the new people at so many positions. I do however believe there is some good young talent there, and a coordinator with a proven record of taking a team of no names (Dat Ngyuen was the starting MLB on that #3 rated Dallas defense for cryin’ out loud, Jones has to be that good doesn’t he?) and turning it into a solid team defense.

I’ve watched this defense be bad for too long to expect it to be top 10 this year, or even next. Hell, even in 2005 they masked how bad they were defensively by creating turnovers at a record setting pace. It seemed like teams either scored or we turned ‘em over, we weren’t forcing a dozen punts a game. However, if the offense can remain a top 5-10 performer and the defense can get out of the high 20’s, you should see a few win improvement, and that’s what we’re talking about.

by Galaxy CDS on Jul 26, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dat Ngyuen

Yeah, I’d take Dat Ngyuen over Dhani Jones at middle linebacker. Honestly though, that’s like saying I’d bang Roseanne Barr over Rosie O’Donnell. They’re both turds at this point, so who cares?

I just don’t see it. I’ve been a die hard since Sp XVI. I’ve been thru the good, the bad, and the mediocrity (which is where this team is stuck firmly in).

Top 10 or Top 16?? ...they won’t sniff Top 20 until someone on that side of the ball gets motivated to go to Hawaii. Then we need about 2-3 more to follow.

Geathers maybe. After him…we’re only wishing. And even Geathers is a kid with one decent year. Same with Odom. He was a situational pass rusher who played 20-25 snaps a game last year. Everyone else either hasn’t been in the league for more than 2 years, or hasn’t even played an NFL down yet. How can that give us reason to be optimistic???

Am I making any sense?

by JohnCockToastin on Jul 26, 2008 4:39 PM EDT   0 recs

Young and Unproven

I know what you’re saying, they’re young and unproven, and where I look at that and say maybe these guys can get much better, you look at it and say that’s all there is and all there will be. We’re both just pullin’ it outta our butts right now, hard tellin’ which of us will be right. But given the choice between say Artrell Hawkins and the ‘give em 10 yards cushion on 3rd and 9’ philosophy and J. Joseph and the ‘get up in his grill and jam him’ philosophy Zimmer seems to employ, yes, I’m cautiously optimistic.

by Galaxy CDS on Jul 26, 2008 6:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Perfect sense

I can totally see where you’re coming from JCT. After all, the Bengals D really has been nothing for how long now? How is it supposed to be better this year when our key addition was Odem, who had Haynesworth on the other side of the line to help him out? Plus the young guys at CB, OLB, FS, are too many uncertainties for any team to like. So it makes a lot of sense to any Bengals fan that our defense may not be that great this year.

However, the point of Kirk’s post was that the Bengals D does really have some promise to it. After all the young guys do have some high ceilings to their talent, which we could see as soon as this season as they grow and mature. Also, it does remain to be seen what Zimmer will actually be able to do with this defense. But hey, you gotta admit that it is a refreshing change. And the guy does have some credentials coming from Dallas last year.

I personally will remain cautiously optimistic. The football off-season is long enough to forget what our season was like last year. So it’s just long enough for me to forget everything and makes me hopeful for this year!

WHO DEY

by JohnnyK on Jul 26, 2008 6:11 PM EDT   0 recs

"I personally will remain cautiously optimistic"

That’s a better way to phrase it. And even if the Bengals defense does their mid-20s rankings like other seasons, I’m still optimistic with the young talent we have—though as a Cincinnati sports fan, I’m getting a little tired of the “potential” routine; as Reds and Bengals fan, that’s about all we have to look forward too. I really should have made more of an emphasis on Mike Zimmer, who by all written accounts, is creating a more aggressive defense and even pumping up the players themselves.

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by Kirkendall on Jul 27, 2008 10:03 AM EDT   0 recs

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