Tuesday morning links and notes -- Bengals win, 20-17
Questions answered? Before the game, I threw up 10 questions. Not sure if any were answered, and it's foolish to take the first pre-season game and project the team as anything. Still, let's answer the questions after the Bengals 20-17 win Monday Night.
1) #3 Wide Receiver
Marcus Maxwell had a nice 19-yard reception and a nine-yarder. Maxwell's frame and technique reminds me of a green T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Hey, it took T.J. a long time to prove he was worth anything. Jerome Simpson showed good athleticism and Andre Caldwell hauled down an 11-yard pass for first down. It's not that any receiver played bad -- other than bad routes, or blown up plays, which we hardly know about -- but who really stepped up in your opinion.
2) Defensive tackle rotation and rookie DTs Sims and Shirley.
Domata Peko had several nice plays, pushing off the offensive linemen and strafing down the line of scrimmage for, at least, a hit. Jason Shirley, as the game progressed, seemed to get to the quarterback easier, and it seemed that boy has a motor. Admittedly, I don't have HD, and pointing out DTs are often hard enough for me. So it could have been Pat Sims. All and all, the Packers rushing offense was successful after Brandon Jackson and Kregg Lumpkin rushed 13 times for 80 yards (6.2 yards-per-carry).
3) Tight end contribution (an idea of the passing offense’s philosophy, which includes double-TE formations)
Reggie Kelly caught a five-yard pass -- the first completion by the Bengals. Ryan Fitzpatrick targeted Utecht twice, and Palmer looked at him three times -- first was incomplete, second was a four-yard gain and the third was a 14-yard touchdown pass.
4) Pass rush (includes Fanene and Rucker's improvements?)
Rucker and Fanene were nonexistent in the pass rush, though Robert Geathers sprinted around the tackle to pick up an early sack. Most of the success came from the team blitzing linebackers and safeties (Jackson, Herbert).
5) Keith Rivers, Chris Perry, rookie WRs (Caldwell, Simpson)
Rivers was as advertised. Chris Perry was back. Caldwell and Simpson made some nice grabs. I was generally happy with all four.
6) Offensive line combinations (Bobbie Williams at center?)
It's hard to praise the offensive line after the Bengals first-team started the game with three three-and-outs before picking up a first down and a touchdown. I don't recall seeing Williams at center, Santucci replaced Eric Ghiaciuc and Kyle Cook replaced Santucci after it was reported that the backup center broke his right ankle. Stacy Andrews didn't play long, out before the end of the first quarter replaced by Scott Kooistra after Willie Anderson was told to sit the game with a minor shoulder problem.
7) Is Kenny Watson better than last season?
I didn't pick up that Watson was better than last year on the minimal attempts he was given. At the same time, I didn't see a bit of degradation either.
8) Daniel Coats blocking out of the backfield.
I just didn't make it a point to watch him blocking. At the same time, that's a good thing. When a blocker does his job, neither he or the person he blocks make an impact on the play and become essentially invisible.
9) Aggressive cornerbacks, disrupting timing off the LOS (defensive coverage philosophy)
For the most part, I was happy with our cornerback play. Sometimes the receiver would pick up a step on the cornerback, or David Jones was on the field -- who had a rough, rough start.
10) Linebackers (Dhani, year 2… Brandon Johnson and Darryl Johnson, Arizona Cardinal cast-offs)
With Rivers being an obvious positive, and Brandon Johnson holding firm his stepping-up role, I thought the Bengals linebackers were generally positive, though again, the Packers ran the ball pretty well -- which is against the linebackers and defensive line.
By The Numbers
- Bengals converted only four of 15 third down attempts while the Packers converted eight of 17.
- Two penalties by the Bengals as a whole -- Frostee Rucker was offsides and Nate Livings false started. The off-sides by Rucker allowed the Packers to pick up a first down on third-and-three. After picking up the first down, Rodgers converted a 22-yard pass (then an incomplete), an 11-yard pass and then a 30-yard touchdown.
- The Packers picked up 15 first downs through the air -- however, they passed 53 times.
- The Bengals play selection: 27 pass attempts, 33 rush attempts.
- Bengals special teams allowed 40 yards on six punt returns.
- Bengals defense allowed four plays of 20-yards or more -- the longest play by the Bengals was a 19-yard pass reception by Marcus Maxwell.
The Ryan Fitzgerald offense before the end of the first half, utilized Ben Utecht and Chris Perry, combining for three catches for 25 yards giving Shayne Graham a 43-yard field goal attempt.
Palmer on Utecht and Perry: "(Perry) can stay in the backfield and pick up a safety pressure and get outside with runs. With Ben, his versatility is he can get back in the backfield on the run game and he can (pass block) in max protection."
Moving Bobbie Williams to center could be a possibility after reports claim that Dan Santucci suffered a broken right ankle.
Corey Lynch, in last weekend's scrimmages, had two interceptions and a sack. On Monday Night, he had a fumble recovery and two tackles on special teams.
Marvin "Mr. Obvious" says: "But we have to tackle better. Our tackling really left something to be desired."
Marvin White learned a lesson Monday Night. "It's not like college, where you pretty much hit a guy and he does down. I learned something from this game. That's the idea. Learn something every game."
Mike Zimmer was satisfied with the Bengals defense Monday Night, "we're not the '85 Bears. But for the first time, it was OK."
Antonio Chatman "endorses Packer Rodgers".
Former Bengals safety Madieu Williams is lost for up to six weeks due to an undisclosed injury.
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What's going to happen at safety???
Jackson, White, Ndukwe… Then they have to pick 2 more from Herna-Daze, Busing, Lynch and Herbert. I wouldn’t want to be in charge of that.
by kirby28 on Aug 12, 2008 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For my money
it’s got to be D Jax, White, Duke, Hebert and Lynch. Lynch led the team with 2 special teams tackles and recovered a fumble, and Hebert was everywhere (#34).
by A Pragmatic Bengals Fan on Aug 13, 2008 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marvin White
I’m hope he’s serious about learning from this game. He started a few games last year – NFL tackling shouldn’t come as such a surprise to him. A lot of people are praising his aggressiveness, but I saw him bounce off two receivers and miss at least 3 very poor attempts at arm tackles. He’s a strong safety – when he hits a receiver, they SHOULD go down. Maybe they need to work on putting some weight on him. The new aggressiveness is a good thing, but it only works if you make the tackle on the first attempt. If you don’t, you’re going to be giving up HUGE plays all season because everyone will be flying out of position trying to make the web gems.
by eric nyc on Aug 12, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed!
Yeah, I think maybe he was caught up in all the “he’s a big hitter” talk, and hopefully after having bounced rather than hit he’ll get back to more fundamental tackling.
I feel bad for M Williams, but his fragility was in my mind one of the reasons he was expendable to the Bengals, and certainly made him unworthy of them matching that huge contract in the land of the Norse.
by Galaxy CDS on Aug 12, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in retrospect
Marvin’s decapitation hit on Johnson probably should have put him down for the count. Getting punked by Driver was probably less about strength and more about a wily veteran schooling a virtual rook. It is refreshing to hear a player say pretty much exactly what I said about his less than spectacular effort;
” Dear Marvin White
It is no longer possible to just lower your head and whack a ball carrier. You need to wrap him us well. This isn’t the Big XII and it sure as shit ain’t TCU
by IgnatiusJReilly on Aug 11, 2008 5:50 PM PDT “
The first step to irrelevance, quoting oneself!
Honestly, I, too, lost track of Sims and my main man Shirley in the chaos of an NFL preseason second half.
Hmm, let’s see. The first team offense was bordering on pathetic. Granted, they were minus TJ and Rudi but, had Rudi been in there, the impotence of the O-Line would have been even more glaring. I mean, at least Perry had a fighting chance against opponents in the backfield. And, yeah, Chris Perry looked fantastic. Had me seeing visions of ‘05, minus the Von Unupholstered roll.
The tackling was just inexplicable for a supposedly professional football team. I can’t even grasp such poor fundamentals even in the first full contact opportunity of the young season. It’s like watching the hapless Reds under Dusty Baker forgetting who bats next, unable to lay down a simple bunt, blind on the base paths. Players at this level of a sport shouldn’t need reminding of such basic crap. And that kind of goes for the previous point re the first team offensive line.
Ryan Fitzpatrick showed me he is a capable backup- the one position where backup isn’t something anyone wants to talk about(knocks wood).
Ben Utecht is a huge upgrade at tight end. He showed speed, terrific hands, and a, can I say it- chemistry with Carson already. To be honest, I paid no attention to what he may or may not have been doing as a blocker. I figure that’s Kelly’s job. ;-)
I think Brandon Johnson may warrant a look opposite Rivers- flanking Dhani, as a first team LB. He certainly has outshined Jeanty. I don’t actually remember seeing Blackstock- or hearing his name called.
I’m pretty comfortable going into this season with JonJo, Leon, Chinedum, and Marvin- backed with Deltha, Dexter, and Corey. Fourth CB? Maybe Castille over Jones? Maybe Jones get his feet under him in the next couple weeks. Busing? Herana-Daze Jones? Maybe teams, maybe squad.
It’s pretty clear that Corey Lynch is a baller.
Keith Rivers is still catching up on missed PT- and is already defensive MVP.
The only time our pass rush seemed to effect their starters was when we brought supplementals from the outside- with the exception of Geathers devastating sack in name only(a whopping half a yard behind the LOS). Shirley and Sims seemed to hold their own against admittedly inexperienced opposition. Did anybody notice whether either Brooks or Eric Henderson got any snaps?
BJORK!
by IgnatiusJReilly on Aug 12, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brooks
had some PT in the 4th quarter. Had a grand total of one tackle. Rivers will be wearing #55 in the opener.
And Bjork is awfully fun to say, ain’t it? lol
by A Pragmatic Bengals Fan on Aug 13, 2008 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts on the game
...were far too expansive to post here, it ended up being a real whopper of an entry. Head over to BND to check it out and give me some hits. :)
by A Pragmatic Bengals Fan on Aug 13, 2008 1:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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