Saints at Bengals Primer -- Palmer led offense is slow
WHO: New Orleans Saints (1-1) at Cincinnati Bengals (1-1)
SB NATION: Canal Street Chronicles
WHEN: August 23, 7:35 p.m.
WHERE: Cincinnati, Ohio
MEDIA: Television coverage will be conducted by the local team of Paul Keels and Anthony Munoz on Channel 12 (Cincinnati), Channel 22 (Dayton), Channel 45 (Dayton), Channels 6 and 28 in Columbus, Channel 36 in Lexington and Channel 41 in Louisville. The game will be rebroadcast on Fox Sports Net Ohio at midnight. Same radio coverage as always.
US?: We'll be on the site, talking, chatting, drinking, eating, etc.
SERIES: Of six pre-season games, the Bengals have only won one (1-3 while in Cincinnati). On the other hand, during the regular season, the Bengals are 6-5 against the Saints -- including a three-game winning streak.
WEATHER: Partly cloudy, high of 91, low of 70 with a 20% chance of rain. [Weather.com]
NFL.com: Game Center
Injuries: Marvin Lewis has already determined that the Bengals will be without their two starting wide receivers and Andre Caldwell is still in a boot after suffering turf toe and Marcus Maxwell is gone for the season.
Interesting Note: Of all the AFC North teams heading into pre-season week #3 (all of whom played two games), the Bengals have scored the least amount (30) and given up the second most (44). Actually, Jacksonville, Miami and New England are the three teams that have scored less points than the Bengals in the AFC.
Match-up: While they won't be technically facing each other, an interesting dynamic exists. The Saints made a trade during the NFL Draft that put them ahead of Cincinnati, in position to draft Sedrick Ellis -- the Bengals #1 target. Instead the Bengals sat at #9 and drafted Ellis' teammate Keith Rivers.
Last Time: The last time the Bengals played the Saints, the Saints won the first-half 17-12 while taking the game 27-19. The leading rusher was Jeff Rowe (20 yards) while the leading passer was Doug Johnson. So, that's why we lost. Seriously.
Notes About Pre-season
Of eight possessions run by the Carson Palmer led first-team offense, five have ended in three-and-out, a blocked field goal, interception and a 14-yard touchdown to Ben Utecht. I'm not picking on Palmer here, just pointing out that Palmer is my key in judging our first-team offense because, you know, he's in the game. So let's recap.
| Drive | Result | Notes |
| 1 (Packers) | Three-and-out | No penalty, no plays with yards lost. |
| 2 (Packers) | Three-and-out | No penalty, no plays with yards lost. |
| 3 (Packers) | Three-and-out | No penalty, no plays with yards lost. |
| 4 (Packers) | 14-yard TD pass, Palmer to Utecht | |
| 5 (Lions) | Interception | Interception: Chad in the air, juggled the pass and landed on his elbow, knocking shoulder out of socket. |
| 6 (Lions) | Blocked FG | Possession went 11 plays, gaining 50 yards. The 46-yard Field Goal was blocked after Peko blocked out, Levi Jones blocked in, allowing a gap for the blocked kick. |
| 7 (Lions) | Three-and-out | No penalty, no plays with yards lost. |
| 8 (Lions) | Three-and-out | Five-yard loss on first play, short pass to Chris Perry. |
More Notes About Pre-Season
- Opponents are converting 45% of their third down conversions this pre-season. That's actually a higher percentage of conversions allowed than any regular season during the Marvin Lewis era.
- 2003: 41% (85/206)
- 2004: 37% (80/218)
- 2005: 43% (81/190)
- 2006: 42% (88/211) -- 35% in pre-season (19/54)
- 2007: 43% (86/201) -- 35% in pre-season (18/52)
- Ratings by the Bengals top-three quarterbacks
- Carson Palmer, 55.7
- Ryan Fitzpatrick, 109.0
- Jeff Rowe, 44.7
- Kenny Watson is the only running back with a yard-per-carry average (5.5) higher than 4.0.
- No Cincinnati Bengals defender has more than one sack or interception.
Position Battles?
Wide receiver is murky, at best, but clearer for this game. Antonio Chatman and Chris Henry -- provided he's allowed to play -- would be the team's likely starters with Jerome Simpson and Glenn Holt working out that #3 spot. If Henry can't go, then Holt would be the likely starter opposite of Chatman.
Now that fullback Jeremi Johnson is gearing up to play Saturday, Daniel Coats is suddenly worried. If Jeremi performs like he's capable, then Coats would likely be demoted to the second full back -- which, in reality, doesn't exist on most NFL teams, including the Bengals. His life as a tight end in Cincinnati is essentially nonexistent. Unless he packs an impact during the next two games, Coats could be cut. Look at it this way, the Bengals had ample reason to cut Jeremi Johnson, and never did.
Marvin Lewis on Bobbie Williams at Center: "Yes, we saw enough of Bobbie at center." From my point of view, it would seem that the Bengals are content with Eric Ghiaciuc at center, Williams at right guard and Stacy Andrews at right tackle. Otherwise, the Bengals would be using the Jurassic Line as much as possible to seal up communication issues and work on blitzing linebackers. In a sense, we can put that to rest for now and label Eric Ghiaciuc as the team's starting center. Granted, Ghiaciuc's role has never been at risk -- at no time did he hear or expect the Bengals to use Jurassic as their primary offensive line. Still, that fantasy was always hard to shake off.
Jeff Rowe has seen significant time compared to Jordan Palmer. There's no reason to believe, at this point, that Palmer will unseat Rowe for the number three quarterback spot.
This is just my personal opinion, but Rudi Johnson should be listed as the team's number three running back. Make sure you read that right. I don't mean third-down back, I mean the third running back behind starter Chris Perry and Kenny Watson. I'd be too concerned that his hamstring could replicate 2007.
We'll keep hammering away, but that's all I got for now.
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So are the Bengals the ‘Saints’ because we have Henry back, or are the Bengals the ‘Lions’ because Marvin ‘lied’ about Henry (or more probably because the Bengals are the new Lions)? Also, this is the most negative posting you’ve had this season so far, and you’re usually pretty positive. The Browns and Steelers are pretty banged up too.
by mskiles314 on
Aug 21, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
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No
It’s not that I’m trying to be negative, but there’s clearly a struggle with this offense. I understand, and accept, the arguments that it’s pre-season and offenses are typically slow to come around… along with the injury at wide receiver and the poor protections of the offensive line. Still, the offense is really slow right now. Seems worse to start than other preseasons.
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by Kirkendall on
Aug 21, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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Or maybe
They’re just tight.
Still, eight possession and five three-and-outs are concerning, IMHO.
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by Kirkendall on
Aug 21, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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God dang it
Just bloop on my part. I have a template of things that I carry over for the primers. Thanks for picking that up.
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by Kirkendall on
Aug 21, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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It still says "Saints vs. Lions"
on my blog roll, it never updated. lol
by A Pragmatic Bengals Fan on
Aug 21, 2008 5:47 PM EDT
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Oh, god! If we’re the Lions, that means Jon Kitna, in his fetching blue and silver cross baseball cap, is our quarterback….hmm…but we have Calvin Johnson…what a dilemna.
I don’t know what it is about our offensive line but, when the starters- Jurassic or otherwise, can’t protect Carson in the pre-season, we may as well fit #9 for a shiny pine box prior to Giants week. Our line, with Willie or without, with Stacy or without, has barely passed as mediocre since we let Eric Steinbach head north, since Rich Braham hung up his jockstrap. I don’t know why, exactly. I don’t necessarily blame Ghiaciuc, or Whit, or Willie, or Bobbie. I might pin some blame on Stacy for being overpaid and Levi because I just don’t like him and I’d probably put more of it on both Bratkowski for his wearying and predictable playcalling and Paul Alexander because it’s his unit. It’s one thing to let no-talent hacks like Klingler or Akili Smith try their luck behind a mostly Maginot line- take that Dennis Miller!- but doing it to Carson borders on insanity. I will say that it’s fortunate that Chris Perry is healthy and listed at number one because, unlike the glacier-wheeled Rudi, at least Perry can run for his life. Maybe, the O-Linemen are all deaf and the last thing they heard was a call for a screen? Maybe they’re all Buckeye fans and are playing matador to show Carson their displeasure? Maybe the knowledge that they play for Mike Brown and his now publicly neutered sideline minion has finally ground them down to despair and listlessness? Maybe the humanitarian thing to do would be to give Carson away to a good home?
Sorry, someone peed in my Wheaties this morning.
by IgnatiusJReilly on
Aug 22, 2008 11:40 AM EDT
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