Would Paul Brown be successful today?
Paul Daugherty talks about the connection with father and son while helping two authors promote their biographies of Paul Brown -- the man with the greatest influence of modern football.
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| Paul Brown: The Man Who Invented Modern Football [Amazon.com] |
Daugherty asks, "Given his fathers unsurpassed legacy for success and innovation, why does Mike cling to a way of doing things that, by any reasonable measure, doesn't work?" An interesting question that begs head-scratching wondering over idealistic light bulbs that flash in one's mind. Though I believe it's clearly agreed that Mike's method certainly hasn't promoted success on the field; that's like saying the sun rises every morning.
Right now, I'm reading Paul Brown: The Man Who Invented Modern Football. In truth, I'm still working on it but essentially, you get a quick understanding of Browns' influences, the innovative things he put in place, his coaching progressions from Massillon to Ohio State to Cleveland and ten selected games that defined his coaching career. It's a good read, but if I give a book review, it'll be incomplete. So I won't. At least right now.
I can already tell you that it's a fantastic read, and every fan of any form of Ohio football should have some idea of who Paul Brown was. It's one thing to throw the name around as Brown being a legend in football; it's another to actually throw the name around knowing full well what meant to the sport, and to Ohio.
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Paul Brown: The Rise and Fall and Rise Against of Football's Most Innovative Coach [Amazon.com] |
As per usual, I tend to have a queue of books sitting on my tables. They range from sports books, to Robert Ludlum and Tom Clancy, to George R.R Martin and J.R.R. Tolkien. After this one, I'm going after another; Paul Brown: The Rise and Fall and Rise Again of Football's Most Innovative Coach.
I'm not sure if I will do a full blown book report on either -- I was never any good at them in high school, there's no reason to think I'd improve now.
However, to go back to Daugherty's point wondering why son isn't a follower of father's practices, I just wonder if it would even work. Players today are supersensitive on how they're treated, and Brown's approach wouldn't sit well with players of today. Also, before, Brown could just release and dump players that didn't follow his system, or preference of conduct. With today's economic structure impacting the sport like never before, could Brown suck up his pride and keep players like Chad Johnson?
Do you think Paul Brown could succeed as a coach today?
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I suspect Paul would be about as successful as Mike
Doc’s being a bit disingenuous here, I think. “Given his fathers unsurpassed legacy for success and innovation”? Well, yes…prior to Cincy. But once here, Paul never really lived up to the rep he built in places like Massillon and Ohio State and Cleveland.
As I noted in my own review of “Rise” a few weeks back, the way Mike runs the team isn’t all that different from the way Paul did. Like his son, Paul meddled in his coaches’ decisions, especially on draft day. Like Mike, Paul complained endlessly about money, decrying everything from contributions to the players’ pension funds to request for a training camp per diem. Like Mike, he hated agents, the player’s union, and free agency. Like Mike, he balked at upgrading facilities, once wondering how new carpet in the locker room would help them win any games.
In short, the apple has not fallen all that far from the tree. The only difference is that Paul was modestly more successful as a GM than Mike. He at least got the team to a pair of Super Bowls. But the bottom line is that Paul produced the same number of World Championships as his son has so far: zero. And in football, no one cares who comes in second.
Did Brown start the Bengals in spite of Modell?
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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 24, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
Links to Dave's piece
http://stripehype.com/2008/08/27/paul-brown-revisited/
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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 24, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks, kirk
I think sticking it to Modell was definitely an incentive for Paul, but even more than that, he simply didn’t know what to do with himself outside of football.
Bill Walsh
Didn’t Paul also run off the man who made pro football- at least offensively, what it is today? Seems like I remember, was it Forrest Gregg who got the head coach job over Walsh?
Still, unlike Mike, I expect Paul, liking it or not, would have adjusted his style of management to compensate for the changes he couldn’t do anything about. Unlike Mike, I think Paul was relatively sane, in the sense that, if something was proven not to work, he wouldn’t do it another seventeen times- and counting- before trying a different way. I’m pretty sure Paul was concerned enough about his own legacy not to have let the Bengals become a ginormous crap stain on his shiny reputation(Then again, his boy Mike is, his ownself, the personnification of 17 years of pigeon guano accumulated on the cast bronze shoulders of Paul’s memorial statue). Also, guessing here, but Paul actually cared about the product he put on the field, he actually knew that product backwards and forwards, and he cared what the consumers- we fans- thought about it. Obviously, the whole question is hypothetical, pointless, and invites waxing nostalgic but that’s my $1.99.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Sep 24, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
@ Tom
Really? Why? Paul Brown has his shot as both head coach/owner and GM/owner, and while more successful than Mike, didn’t bring home the bacon. Next question? Hardly.
You're kidding, right?
“Next question? Hardly.”
You’re hallucinating.
All the innovations he came up with teams still use today, and that’s not good enough for you? 3 NFL championships and 4 AAFC championships aren’t good enough for you? Having an NFL team named after him isn’t good enough for you?
What are you smoking?
Tom Blogical
by Tom Blogical on Sep 25, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And another thing...
…he was the GM the 2 times the Bengals went to the Super Bowl. The guy can’t get on the field at 80+ years old and do it for them.
Tom Blogical
by Tom Blogical on Sep 25, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Would he be successful?
I think he more than likely would.
But the real “hypothetical” to ask is how the apple fell so far from the tree? Maybe the tree is located on a steep incline?
But the real "hypothetical" to ask is how the apple fell so far from the tree?
Just on the assumption that intelligence in offspring is at least partially predicated on that of the parents, I’d have to guess Paul Brown slipped the bonds of matrimony to give the old pickle tickle to a vegetable of some sort- a preheated eggplant, maybe.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Sep 25, 2008 1:12 AM EDT reply actions
Just on the assumption that intelligence in offspring is at least partially predicated on that of the parents, I’d have to guess Paul Brown slipped the bonds of matrimony to give the old pickle tickle to a vegetable of some sort- a preheated eggplant, maybe.
Naw! PB had way too much football sense…even in regards to an “eggplant.” My theory is that what we’re dealing with here is some sort of alien abduction & switch-a-roo.

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