Houshmandzadeh: "The defense played great. The offense sucks."
We examined the game, so let's examine reactions.
I've had more people call me, than the digits on both hands, in the past hour or two; too anxious to wait for my reactions on this very site. Even a Steelers fan (jerk). They're family and friends though, and I can be more curt with them, over-playing the role of pissed off Bengals fan; while it's true, you can get some laughing points too, because, in the end, this isn't like the biggest issue in our lives, you know?
Personally, I'm not that pissed off that the Bengals lost. I've done this gig for a long time; and I've studied the concept of football three times that. I understand why a game turns the way it does; sometimes it's one moment, sometimes it's one aspect or unit, sometimes it's bad officiating. But sometimes it's just man beating on boy (aka, Ravens and Bengals), and that's frustration; times fifty as the departing sun fails to cool temperatures from overheating tempers in Cincinnati -- or "Cincinatti" as the "higher-education" University of Oklahoma spells us.
Nearly everyone agreed; the Bengals defense wasn't that bad. Not that it's any consolidation, it's not. I firmly believe that no one within the Bengals organization should accept their paycheck, and Mike Brown should take all that money, and give it to Hamilton County to help the city after an unpopular tax increase was implemented to install two new stadiums for two teams so bad, that by the time the second half of their respective season comes around, we're off doing something else.
And yes, we need to give him money, otherwise we'll just cut players to "earn" some money. Hence, the suggestion to give the money to the county; a PR move, so to speak. He may suck as an owner, but he would give back to the community. That way he could be listed among the Carl Lindner types; really bad at owning a sports team, but you'd hesitate on insulting them because of their contributions to the community; and in truth, he does, though we hate him too much to see that clearly. Sad, isn't it? Would that save Mike Brown? No, not likely. And truly, none of us would believe it. Though the effort would reward those that swim in its receptions, without noting true intentions.
Now I'm just rambling.
Some call us bad fans. Bull shit. We're great fans, insulted as hell to be expected to cheer for this.
Anyway, let's go through reactions.
Chad Johnson, while not considering the recent history of winning six of the past eight games against the Ravens, excuses the offense by tell us that the Ravens defense is the best in the NFL. "But, you have to understand that we were playing the best defense in the NFL. They gave us some very exotic looks and I know they had some new stuff for us. By the time we made adjustments, it was too late."
Adjustments were made? But he also said that the offense "sucked".
Lewis says that the offensive line is "half a guy away." Apparently we're positioning ourselves to draft a midget at center.
Chris Perry, at least, didn't fluff the poo-dung we saw this afternoon.
Q: On the Bengals offense:
"We didn't perform up to par."Q: On fourth and 1:
"That's on me. I'm supposed to make that. There's nothing else to say except that I'm supposed to make that play. It doesn't matter what happens I'm supposed to make that. It's 4th and 1 and that's on me."Q: On the Bengals defense:
"They did a great job. We let them down."Q: On the Ravens defense:
"They came at us and they did their job better than we did our job."
Stripe Hype calls Marvin Lewis and Carson Palmer Goats of the Game.
Chick Ludwig calls the Bengals offense "over-hyped and overrated".
Mo called it "Coslet-esque"
WDR is pointing at Bob Bratkowski, claiming that "we averaged 23.8 pts/game last year (11th overall), much of it coming in the shootout at Cleveland (worst defense in the league) and Miami, who went 1-15. If you take away those two games, our scoring average drops us to about 16th overall in the league--not exactly juggernauts." However, it should be pointed out that if you take away every team's top-two scoring games of the season, everyone's averages WILL drop. The question is, where do the Bengals averages rank when taking away every team's top-two scoring games? Now that, I'd very much be interested in.
The Bengals were dominated on both sides of the ball.
Paul Daugherty sums it up well within two paragraphs.
The Bengals were playing one rookie head coach, one rookie quarterback and one rookie featured running back that together had played in zero real games. They were playing a Baltimore Ravens’ defense minus one big run-stopping defensive tackle and with two Pro Bowl starting defensive backs so banged-up, their effectiveness was questioned all last week.
The Bengals offense – since 2005, more hype than substance – reacted to that largesse by racking up eight first downs (two by penalty), 65 rushing yards, 89 passing yards, no touchdowns, one catch by Chad Javon Whoever and a 35.3 passer rating by Carson Palmer. They also got smashed twice on 4th-and-short.
Then again, stealing line from T.J. Houshmandzadeh, "The defense played great. The offense sucks." There you go.
All quotes obtained from Bengals.com
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"the defense played ok, the offense was terrible"
The defense played OK, here is why…
A) They did stop mid-deep passes
B) They couldn’t stop the run (stop me if you have heard this before)
C) They let up 2 “Explosive plays”
D) They couldn’t get off of the field on 3rd down
E) They played good coverage down field, but let up dump passes the missed tackles that allowed the backs to get the 1st downs
F) We lost to a Rookie QB and Rookie RB and backup FB
and the Offense actually looked just like than last season…. but worse
by firstPick on Sep 7, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ
They did stop the run- with the exceptions of that double reverse, the busted Flacco bootleg, and then the entire fourth quarter when the offense decided to take a powder(say 150 of the 229 Raven rushing yards). Had the offense been even borderline competent, the defense played more than good enough to win. Didn’t see much from Odom but the other linemen stepped up at least their run stopping.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Sep 7, 2008 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the excuses?
“They did stop the run” ??
Pretty amazing when you consider that the whole world knew that they were running and not passing much with a rookie QB. (sarcasm) What will say when the Bungles face a team that can pass and run? More excuses? More but-for-a-couple-of-plays-we-would-have-had-it observations?
I read many of the comments. I read many of the articles. I have decided that Bungle fans are happy with the good-enough-to-win-but-gosh-darn-we-still-lost approach, and this makes me sick.
Lets look back at the first decade of the millennium, shall we? These guys have accomplished nothing. Made it to the playoffs (and lost) once in 18 years. Big f***in’ deal.
These losers have accomplished nothing. They will not accomplish anything.
At what point do we accept Chad for the distraction that he is? At what point does our play calling get slightly more sophisticated than Central H.S.? At what point do these puftas man-up? And at what point do we the fans stop pointing to “silver linings” and start pointing to what matters – wins?
Fire Marvin.
Stop blaming management. (Mike Brown does not block, tackle. or coach.)
Reject the losing mentality.
Stop accepting losses.
Stop hoping for mediocrity.
Stop making excuses.
by NYGreg on Sep 8, 2008 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's about weaknesses
NYGreg
Sure, it’s not the owner but it is the general manager. Steinbach should be the center. Rudy’s gone and Perry averaged what – two yards a carry?
We recently drafted as if we didn’t have weaknesses on both lines. Who protects Carson when the talent just isn’t there? Who on the team stands up with credibility and demands more from his teammates? Their gone. Traded, let go, or not drafted in the first place.
Coaches can only do so much when the talent isn’t there. Who provides the talent?
The biggest problems lie with the decisions made by the general manger.
Oh, that’s right. We don’t have one of those. And we still have the smallest scouting department in the NFL.
by carsick on Sep 8, 2008 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That plays to my point.
Yes we have weaknesses. Pittsburgh, Dallas, San Fran all have weaknesses. But they play hard to offset those weakness. Instead, these Bungles make excuses.
“Oh, they have a tough defense.”
“Oh, we played well but for a couple of plays.”
wah, wah, wah.
What happened on Sunday however, was more than weakness. We were not ready to play. Poor tackling, poor blocking, poor execution makes the Mike Brown in me wonder why anyone would waste money on “talent” for this coach.
You can have all the talent in the world, the greatest front office in the world, and the world’s greates GM, but if you fail to play with any heart, you lose.
Marvin Lewis showed us what his “fresh start” looks like. Coach Lewis put his product on the field yesterday. After all the BS talk in the off-season, after all the preparation, what we saw was limp, passionless, and uncreative. In short, Marvin has failed to deliver – again.
Time and time again, we are the laughing stock of the NFL because of our front-office. I can handle that if we play hard. We did not play hard. We were not ready. That is the coach’s responsibility.
I am tired of the apologists, e.g. “the defense looked good but for a couple of plays.” That is a loser’s mentality.
Wins count.
Marvin, Carson, Chad, TJ, Levi, et al. have little of those recently. Apparently, they also have very little pride.
We will continue to hear the same platitudes: “We have to get better.” “We have work to do.” “We will look at the film. Correct our mistakes and move forward from there.” Blah, blah, blah. It is the same BS for six years. Rather, the truth was on display for the world to see on Sunday, and it cannot be misinterpreted: Marvin must go.
by NYGreg on Sep 8, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
play book
I’m not sure why Mike Brown felt compelled to give them our play book when we can’t even execute the basics but it sure looks like he did.
Or, maybe one of the coaches or players did thinking it’s better to be fired under these circumstances.
Somehow during the course of the game, I became a Jets fan and I bet they’ll only break even this year.
by carsick on Sep 7, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
defense
here we go again……actually getting a list of why the defense is so horrible. so on a game that once again the offense did NOTHING we’re gonna talk about how terrible the defense is. are you gonna say the defense did not do enough to let the offense win?
really? that’s really u’re take? it should have been at least 6-0 when baltimore took their 6th snap, 14-0 woulda been better.
the bengals d should be good enough to be a mid ranked defense, not great, but they’ll make some stops, they’ll make some turnovers, and they’ll give up some points. the offense needs to hold the ball and score points. THE DEFENSE OUT SCORED THE OFFENSE AND YOU ARE GIVING LISTS OF WHY THEY ARE THE UNIT THAT SUCKS!!! WHAT THE FUCK!!!
i am sick of them losing, and i’m sick of reading the stupidass reasons people come up with for why they did. the offens managed 3 points….one more point than they managed third downs. still wondering why they lost?
by bigfatstella on Sep 8, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bigfatstella
i did say that the offense looked like last season… just a predictable, injured, unprepared version. The D didn’t play great. how many times did you watch Joe Flacco get 5-6 seconds in the pocket and then dump it off to his backs? How many times did you see the ravens convert on 3rd and less than 3? I knew they were running it, you knew the Ravens were running it, the Bengals (hopefully) knew they were running the ball. but the Defense couldn’t stop a Rookie RB and a backup FB.
You want a list why the Offense sucked too? here you go..
A) They ran the ball on 1st and 2nd down almost every drive (predictable after 2nd drive)
B) on the 4th and 2 play when Palmer was in shotgun with 3 WR… i told my buddy watching the game with me… “here comes the shovel pass, they use it all the time”
C) the WR’s are obviously still hurt or not ready to play
D) How many times did you see Palmer change the play at the line… then see R. Kelly, Chatman, Coats, and even Perry asking what? Whats the play? They were totally confused after changing things up, in case of former players giving our signals away
E) Perry Fumbled
F) T.j. dropped a pass that was eventually intercepted
G) The O-Line could block or protect
i think ill stop now… but i could keep going
i t just sucks when you think you can rely on your Offense week in a week out, and then you see this sickening game. Who can we trust? im not ready to trust the offense or the defense
by firstPick on Sep 8, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the point
the point is that if the offense would let the defense sit down for longer than a commercial break they might hold up better. it ‘s the offense that more often than not who is not getting it done. the defense came out on fire. if the offense capitalized then maybe we could have had some momentum. maybe it woulda been ravens young qb playin from behind. maybe flacco trying to force something to keep up with bengals scoring would have given the defense some more oppurtunities instead of having to run out on the field again when they haven’t caught their breath from the last drive. the offense doesn’t have to score on every drive but hold the ball for more than three plays so your d can rest. maybe help them out with field position. the d gave up 17 points and scored 7, net 10 points that the offense had to come up with , but you are right, let’s talk about them cause apparently they have to throw a shutout if they wanna win with the offense’s 3 points.
by bigfatstella on Sep 9, 2008 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
being to shitty
actually all i’m trying to say is i think judging the defense when the offense is doing nothing to help them is too harsh, and off the mark.
by bigfatstella on Sep 9, 2008 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
No one is saying this defense is on par with Baltimore’s or Chicago’s. The fact is, however, this defense played more than well enough to win. They gave up two touchdowns, one due to overpursuit and the other due to the chaos of a broken play. Lapses, yes, but correctable ones for a young, aggressive, still learning defense. Plus, they got one of those scores back. Again, this isn’t the Monsters of the Midway, the Fearsome Foursome, or the Purple People Eaters but, with better QB pressure, we could be looking at a competent defense. The offense, on the other hand…
by IgnatiusJReilly on Sep 9, 2008 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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