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Debating between DeSean Jackson and Jerome Simpson is still a flawed argument

I still find fault in the DeSean Jackson argument. The Bengals selected Jerome Simpson 15th (46th overall) in the second round; Jackson went to the Eagles 18th (49th overall). Jackson went on to have a good rookie season with 62 receptions, 912 yards receiving and two touchdowns. Seventeen receptions went for 20 yards or more, while Jackson caught 43 passes that resulted in first downs. Jerome Simpson, on the other hand, had two receptions, active in only six games.

Here's the thing. Jackson led his team in receptions, yards receiving and yards per reception. The closest receiver was Hank Baskett, who recorded a career high 33 receptions. Kevin Curtis and Jason Avant, combined, recorded only three more receptions than Jackson, and 145 yards receiving short.

On the other hand, Jerome Simpson was entirely drafted into a much complicated scenario. Former Pro Bowl players, franchise setting receivers, were ahead of Simpson. Andre Caldwell and Glenn Holt returned kicks, while Chris Henry is still, in our opinion, one of the best receivers when it comes to matching up against opposing defenses. If Jackson came to the Bengals, we hardly foresee a scenario in which Jackson comes close to the playing time he received in Philadelphia. Maybe he'd have better numbers than Simpson, but his playing time would be just as limited.

Maybe after three seasons pass, when judging a draft is actually permitted within a scaled sample, then Jackson will be the better receiver. However, as long as Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Chris Henry remain with the team, then Simpson's role will always be limited; Andre Caldwell is also problematic for Simpson's playing time. Maybe Jackson could displace one, if not another. Maybe. However, that's not the scenario. That's not the argument. Our point is that it's flawed to take Jackson's 2008 numbers, comparing that to Simpson's in the same season.

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It's because your in denial

Desean Jackson is and always will be a far superior athlete compared to Simpson. Plus he is smarter. Even when chad and TJ were out Simpson still didn’t play because he is to dumb to learn the playbook. Jackson can return kicks and punts while Simpson cannot to either. Jackson went to a real school while Simpson went to school where people go for summer vacation, again referencing the dumb factor. If it were true he didn’t get to play because of chad and TJ then why does Caldwell start when they are out and Simpson doesn’t? Again because he is not that good and they wasted another pick. Anyone who watched college football knee Jackson was the better choice. I think we will eventually ompare this to the chris perry over Steven Jackson pick.

by Diesel2405 on Jan 14, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Whatever, Martha...

Nothing you’ve said contradicts Kirk’s third paragraph: DeSean Jackson would not see the light of day behind Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Hmm…two Pro Bowl receivers…an established KOR in Holt, an established PR in Chatman (before he went to IR), plus Chris Henry and the rest of the rooks…exactly where was Jackson going to fit in, again?

DeSean Jackson’s success (which I applaud…don’t get me wrong. I was excited to see him break out and do well) was totally a product of his environment: Hank Baskett and Kevin Curtis, while good, are not Housh ’n Ocho.

A footnote, though: Look at the standings among pass defenses, just based upon yards per game through the air…

When you look at the teams Philadelphia had to play, just in the NFC East alone…let alone the fact that PIT and BAL run 1-2 in that category…Jackson’s numbers look pretty stout.

But again…who else was #5 going to get the ball to half the time…L.J. Smith? ;-)

by TheWalrus1971 on Jan 14, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No One's in "Da-Nile"

First of all your argument is hilarious…

“Jackson went to a real school while Simpson went to school where people go for summer vacation, again referencing the dumb factor.”

Yeah…cause I’m certain Jackson is smarter than Simpson because he went to Cal-Berkeley. I’m sure his football skills had nothing to do with that. I’m also POSITIVE Jackson would be accepted to Cal if, lets say, he wasn’t a good football player, right??

I went to a sh-t college – worse than Coastal Carolina even. I’d still like my chances in a spelling bee against Jackson.

Look Jackson looks like a huge talent and Simpson is still a question mark. That’s how many great and bad players look after 1 year. Kirkendall makes the right point that you can’t adequately assess until AT LEAST 3 years time.

by JohnCockToastin on Jan 30, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson is- and was coming out of school, one of those rare athletes who are more than the position they play- see Warrick, Peter or Bush, Reggie. He’s one of those guys who you scheme for, the guy you want to give the ball in space. His route-running is subpar and, even with middle of the road veteran wideouts, he wouldn’t see significant snaps at receiver elsewhere. His strength is not one that has to be taught. He’s probably been every bit as elusive since he was in Pop Warner. So, he was ready to do what he does before he ever opened an Eagles playbook. It also remains to be seen whether, at his size, he can be durable- see Hall, Dante and, again, Warrick, Peter. Would he have added some pop in our return game? Sure, and he might even have got some time at #3 receiver.

Far as Simpson goes; first off, he’s not stupid. Coastal Carolina is a small school, not a bad one- and have you seen the entrance requirements for the public Universities of California, incidentally? Not exactly Stanford is it? Granted, Caldwell’s experience at Florida probably prepared him better for the speed and complexity of the pro game better than did Simpson’s Chanticleer days. Caldwell is also a lot more like DeSean Jackson in terms of his skill set- returns, end arounds with maybe even a pass option. It’s not likely you’ll ever see Simpson doing those things. He’s a receiver, a pure receiver, with big, soft hands, great leaping ability, good size, and deceptive speed. He is a bit of a project but remember the Steelers were ready to take him if we hadn’t- they opted for Sweed instead. He didn’t factor in to our plans for this year. We already had the starting three, he had a couple injuries, and, most important of all, we had good ol’ Fitzy calling the signals. With a healthy Carson in there, you could throw a newbie receiver out there for him to deal with and improvise out of the rookie’s inconsistencies. Fitz could barely even see over the offensive line. The only level of comparison with Jackson’s rookie season is the draft position itself and, when you consider we got Simpson and absolutely stole Caldwell io the late 3rd, it becomes similar to the Sedrick Ellis vs. Pat Sims and Keith Rivers argument. At this point, I have no regrets about this draft.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 14, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Desean Jackson is a better returner then both holt and chatman. He is a better reciever then Caldwell. If you believe caldwell is so awesome we could have had caldwell and jackson, not just caldwell and a bench warmer.By the way Simpson is an idiot and couldn’t learn the playbook thats why he sat and caldwell played. and who cares who the steelers were gonna pick? Too bad they didnt pick him, then THEY would have the stupid reciever who can’t learn a playbook.

by Diesel2405 on Jan 14, 2009 10:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Easy there.

Caldwell is a better returner than either Chatman or Holt- hell, Dede Dorsey is, too. Didn’t stop Marvin from keeping Holt and Chatman back there until he had no choice. What makes you think Jackson would have ever even had a shot back there. And just which one of Chad, T. J., and Henry was gonna sit for Jackson to play wideout? Hmm? Oh, and who the hell was gonna throw him the ball?

Sure, if you go purely on stats, Jackson wins in a rout. The game ain’t over yet. The little man is one big hit away from the Canadian Football League. Understand, I’m not defending our woefully understaffed draft evaluation squad or the decisions coming from the top. It’s just too soon to pronounce judgment on last year’s class.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 15, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More....

DeSean Jackson had only one kickoff return all 2008 — a 12-yard return.
Caldwell was ranked 9th in the NFL with 10 returns or more (he only had 13, or something like that).
Holt averaged 24.1 yards, 23rd in the NFL (10 returns or more)

He was better than Chatman (our primary return man) on punt returns. DeSean averaged 8.8 yards per return, while Chatman averaged 7.5 yards per return. So, Jackson has a slight edge of 1.3 yards per return. He also had a touchdown.

If we’re going to debate potential, then have at it. The reality is that this debate between the two receivers is flawed. Both are in vastly different circumstances and scenarios. If after three years the same holds true, then fine. That’s the window most allow before grading drafted players — or the draft as a whole. Talking potential of a player’s abilities, one of whom is still relatively unproven, designated a week after the draft as a “project” type of player, known that he would get limited playing time while Caldwell was arguably ready having played in the bigger, get-you-ready-for-NFL college schools, as Iggy points out, isn’t a good debate. It’s like arguing who is the better quarterback, Otto Graham or Tom Brady. Both won their respective championships, but the two played in incomparable eras.

Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.

by Kirkendall on Jan 15, 2009 9:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Comparisons

One last thing. There were 10 wide receivers drafted in the second round, if you include Jackson and Simpson. In order they were selected:

Donnie Avery (Rams) – 53 catches, 674 yards, 3 TD (69 yards rushing, rushing TD)
Devin Thomas (Redskins) – 15 receptions, 120 yards (53 yards rushing, rushing TD)
Jordy Nelson (Packers) – 33 receptions, 366 yards, 2 TDs
James Hardy (Bills) – 9 receptions, 87 yards, 2 TDs
Eddie Royal (Broncos) – 91 receptions, 980 yards, 5 TDs (109 yards rusyhing)
Simpson (Bengals) – 1 reception, 2 yards
Jackson (Eagles) – 62 receptions, 912 yards, 2 TDs (96 yards rushing, rushing TD)
Malcolm Kelly (Redskins) – 3 receptions, 18 yards
Limas Sweed (Steelers) – 6 receptions, 64 yards
Dexter Jackson (Bucs) – 0 receptions

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by Kirkendall on Jan 15, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah!

Why didn’t those stupid Eagles draft Eddie Royal?

by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 15, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Last thing I wanna know...

Since when did Glenn “Butterfingers” Holt and Antonio “My Knee Hurts Again” Chapman become “established return men?”

By “estbalished” do you mean God awful, never healthy, and when thrown to – they drop the ball?

…just checking.

by JohnCockToastin on Jan 30, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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