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Now, now, the Bengals were almost "great" once; almost

Look, I love Dick LeBeau; think that he's one of those football characters that no fan can realistically dislike. Players love him, and he has a genuine love for the players and the game. Peter King, who notoriously bags the Bengals in favor of his arguments that puts them in a negative light, says of LeBeau's head coaching stint with Cincinnati, "I've had a long history with the Bengals, and I can tell you Vince Lombardi, with Bill Walsh and Bill Parcells as his coordinators, wouldn't have built a great team there."

Problem with King is that he rarely expands on his Cincinnati criticisms, using talking points of convicts, bad boys, or against Mike Brown. So you take that at face value, almost too much. However, the Bengals did put together a should have been "great team" (in my opinion) in 2005. They went 11-5 and were victim to an "unavoidable" hit that shredded Carson Palmer's knee on the second play of the game. It is my strong belief to this day that if Palmer plays the entire game, they beat the Steelers. Considering that the Steelers won the Super Bowl, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to suggest they could have made the big game. That one play changed great to should have been great -- not that being all dreamy about something that didn't happen is a healthy mental exercise.

That 2005 team was Marvin Lewis' creation, using the same things that Dick LeBeau had. Again, I love Lebeau, think he should be in the Hall of Fame, but let's not over-stretch the free pass for a horrible head coaching stint. Brown is not a helpful owner, there's absolutely no doubt about that. But Lewis succeeded, at least for only one season, where LeBeau didn't. This is going to burn people that I say all this, and that's fine. There's truth that losing the Wild Card game doesn't allow one to call themselves great for that season. Not even the 2007 Patriots are considered great, losing their final game against the Giants in the Super Bowl. Merely forecasting alternatives, or perhaps falling into a reactive King piece. Who knows? Still, the Bengals were pretty good that season, and little changed from when LeBeau coached to when Lewis coached. Ironically enough, that same now applies at the opposite ends in 2008.

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Great teams don’t last for one year. C’mon man.

by mp45242 on Jan 27, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yea, I know

I just wanted to bitch about King.

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by Kirkendall on Jan 27, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand.

I used to read King’s column religiously, but his incessant Bengal-bashing Cleveland homer-ism, coupled with his broken promise to leave his personal politics out of his football columns led me to abandon MMQB.

Why can’t sportscasters, sports writers, sports figures, etc. etc. just talk about, write about and play SPORTS and keep their political opinions to their danged selves???

Gumbel…Olbermann…the list goes on and on…

by TheWalrus1971 on Jan 27, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For M. King, remind me where Cleveland is drafting this year? Olbermann isn’t a sportscaster and hasn’t been one in years.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 27, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m just saying that Olbermann was great on The Big Show and should have stayed that way, rather than thinking we cared about his beloved political views.

by TheWalrus1971 on Jan 27, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Bengals had won...

…I hold that they would have defeated the Colts in the rematch of their 45-37 slugfest loss in Week 11. THEN…I think it would have been a tough proposition for them to emerge from Mile High with the win.

SO…do I think they would have beaten the Steelers in the Wild Card game with a healthy Carson? Absolutely…even Steelers fans…the honest ones…will concede that fact. But do I think they would have won the Super Bowl? No…I think it would have been Denver/Seattle…and who knows what would have happened in that game, right? Holmgren might have won that game after all…and he wouldn’t have needed the refs’ help to do it, like the Steelers got! ;-)

by TheWalrus1971 on Jan 27, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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