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Mocking the Draft: Bengals Review, Needs and Targets

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Hey there Bengals fans. I'm shake'n'bake one of the Colts bloggers for Stampede Blue and more relevantly the blogger covering the AFC North for the newly revived Mocking the Draft. I thought it would be a good idea to give you all a look at my initial thoughts on the team and it's needs as well as get you all's opinion on who the Bengals should draft.

The 2007 Bengals were as close to an average team as it gets, 7 wins, gave up 5 more points than the scored and registered a -0.1% DVOA. The 08 Bengals were suppose to build on that.

The defense actually did, giving up 3 TDs less against a much more powerful lineup of offenses and rising from 24th in 15th in DVOA. They were able to stop the run reasonably well (7th in Run D), but despite two big money DEs, Cincy's pass rush topped only the historically bad Cheifs, recording just 17 sacks (league average was 33). Given the performance of the pass rush a 21st ranked pass D is a pretty impressive performance from the back 7.

On the bright side the massive regression on offense is a bit easier to explain and correct. The Bengals dropped from the 6th ranked offense, to the 29th. The passing game dropped from 6th to 27th, as franchise QB Carson Palmer threw only 14 passes this season. Career backup Ryan Fitzpatrick with 135 attempts (all in 2005) in his career took over and passed the ball 372 times with disastrous results. By Football Outsiders stats only Marc Bulger performed worse among QBs to get 250+ attempts. Let's not dump all the blame on Fitzpatrick though. The Bengals allowed the most sacks in the league (51), FO's opponent and situational adjustments soften the ranking to 27th, but the pass pro was terrible. The re-addition of Palmer will go a long ways, but the pass pro needs to be addressed.

The run game is a bit more concerning. In 2007 a Kenny Watson/broken down Rudi Johnson combo made for a mediocre run game (with Watson the far more effective of the pair. In 2008 Watson sat behind Chris Perry and new addition Cedric Benson. Perry was historically bad, averaging under 3 YPC and fumbling 5 times in just 103 carries. Benson continued to be the bust he was in Chicago and was only a slight upgrade from 07 Rudi Johnson. The pair led the Bengals run game to the very bottom of the league. The backs maybe not be totally to blame though (well Perry's fumbles are certainly his fault) The Bengals OL ranked dead last in FOs adjusted line yards.

The advanced stats, the simple stats and the eyeball test come to the same conclusion, that OL is bad, awful, terrible, not at all good at their jobs. The pass rush is also lacking, but Kirkendall has discussed why the Bengals are unlikely to invest heavily in another DE.

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Mocking Dan, MtD's head scout ranks these players of interest near the Bengals #6 pick.

Micheal Oher, OT, Ole Miss, 6'5" 315

Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas, 6’4, 260

Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia, 6’5, 320

Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia, 5’11, 208

Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State, 6’1, 237

Andre Smith, OT, Alabama, 6’4, 340

Everette Brown, DE, Florida State, 6’4, 252

Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma, 6’5, 335 

Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech, 6’7, 258

Kirkendall mentioned a game ready center as a need. Likely one, maybe both of the classes top centers (Alex Mack and Max Unger) could be available with the Bengals second round pick.

I know you all have some draft thoughts since the last time I was here we were unfortunately discussing the draft in week 14. What do you all think?

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Good stuff shake.

In a perfect world, we believe, well, at least I do, that the Bengals should still go after an offensive tackle in the first round and a center in the second.

However, I think there’s a good point to be made that we can move the personnel around just enough to put Collins and Whitworth as tackles, draft a center in the second and guard in the third opening up a defensive play-maker in the first.

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by Kirkendall on Jan 30, 2009 11:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You have the needs down pretty good. The Bengals must begin rebuilding their offensive line and add some playmakers on defense, particularly a pass rusher and also a MLB. As to exactly how it shakes out depends on several variables—what is the likelihood that the Bengals will resign Stacy Andrews? Is Levi Jones finished? Is Collins ready to start? What is the likelihood that we resign Cedric Benson?

If the first is unlikely and the second an affirmative, the Bengals must draft an OT that will be able to step into a starting position with Collins. If the latter is also unlikely, then the Bengals have a real problem, because there will be a real imperative to pick an impact running back. If we believe Jones or Andrews and Benson are coming back, then I would go with a MLB or DE in the first round and pick up an OT later than can be developed into a starter in a year.

Drafting a center makes sense, however, I hope we can wait until round 3 and use our second pick for defense.

by goffchile on Jan 30, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Can we draft Dan Rooney? No? Okay.

Let’s see. Under no circumstances do we go Wells or Moreno at 6. While the Bengals running game this year was atrocious, Cedric Benson did show some signs of power, explosiveness, and durability towards the end. With an offensive line that does their jobs, I think he’s a serviceable starter- though he needs to be augmented with a change of pace back, a change of pace back who isn’t Chris Perry. I must admit, however, that the preceding opinion is probably biased by my appreciation for the way Benson finished a run against the Steelers by lowering his head and knocking Troy Polamalu silly.

I’m hesitant about an Everette Brown- or an Aaron Maybin, because it seems like a 3-4 would be the best way to utilize them as OLBs. I was sold on Orakpo until I watched Fiesta Bowl footage of tOSU’s Alex Boone taking him out of the game. Also, just based on his transformation from tall skinny dude as a freshman to now brings steroids to mind. I should say I’ve not heard that anywehere. It’s entirely my own opinion.

Michael Johnson would add to our money pit at defensive end and I’m not sure he’s an every down player at this point or not.

Duke Robinson, while being the best guard in the draft, isn’t worth the sixth overall pick.

Which leaves the three tackles. Most of the mocks I’ve seen thus far have QBs going first and third, with Crabtree to Seattle at four and either Malcolm Jenkins or Aaron Curry to Cleveland at five. With St. Louis likely to take the pick of the OT litter- Smith at the moment, that leaves us with Oher or Monroe. I feel pretty confident about penciling Anthony Collins in at LT, which would suggest the more athletic Oher for the switch to RT.

However, there’s an argument to be made- a good one I think, that we could move Andrew Whitworth back to tackle and probably pick up a road grader like Robinson or LSU’s Herman Johnson with our second rounder. If that’s the case, is our first round pick then Rey Maulauga? Or has B.J. Raji climbed high enough up the boards to go at six? Do we need a middle plugging, run stopping tackle that early, especially with no ends- defensive ones- in sight?

There’s also the option of trading down. An extra third rounder, say- or better depending how far down, might be a viable move. Hell, going down to twenty or so would give us a Duke Robinson at the right price. We could pick up our center in round two but like goffchile, I’d prefer to wait til three, especially considering both Jonathan Luigs and Antoine Caldwell belong in the same sentence with Mack and Unger, talent-wise, and the kid from Louisville is only a slight notch below.

To summarize: If we stay at 6, I think Maulauga is the way to go but, depending what we can get in return, trading down might be the shrewdest move.

Of course, we are talking Mikey and His One Man Draft Squad Band so we could be talking, “Welcome to hell, Beanie Wells!”

Has Mike Brown ever purposefully scuttled a boat in the shipping channel of the Ohio River?

by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 30, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!

Iggy, you said, that if Whit moves out to tackle, “is our first round pick then Rey Maulauga? Or has B.J. Raji climbed high enough up the boards to go at six?”

I agree with this. I think we’re remembering that even though some of our offensive line has issues to be addressed (yes, I’m being clean for the kiddies), that there is some versatility with Whit.

Then why not think about addressing defense again. There’s something to be said about the good teams year in and year out always have the constant of a good defense.

We finished at 12th overall, however, that’s VERY generous. Before playing the Cleveland Browns, the Bengals were the 22nd best defense.

Therefore, you have to basically assume that the defense, while I still think they were vastly improved if not the most solid defensive unit during the Lewis era, isn’t as good as that “12” is being lead for us to believe.

Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.

by Kirkendall on Jan 30, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MLB

I would love to see a monster MLB next to Rivers. With Sims, Peko and hopefully Shirley in the mix up front—our front seven would be looking a lot better.. The only issue is whether a 6th pick is reaching for Rey M. or Jim L. I would be very happy if the Bengals traded down to mid-first round and picked up either.

by goffchile on Jan 31, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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Just think of the linebackers though, compared to just 2007. If we go after Rey M, that would be one hell of a foundation — just like the Bengals did with all four positions in the secondary.

I tend to be one of those optimistic Bengals fans (douche, drunk on Kool-aid, whatever), but I believe that we’ve done all right building our defensive starters. The depth is the problem, which is often exposed during injuries and rotations of different defensive sets.

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by Kirkendall on Jan 31, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Draft

Looking at history, in the Mike Brown Era, The Bengals have drafted more defensive players 1st than offensive (12-8) which is mirrored in the Marvin Lewis Era (4-2), and Linebacker is the most drafted position with 5 picks, followed by QB with 3. Additionally, in my opinion, the Bengals have taken the best available player that fits a need. (My stance is thet the Bengals have drafted talented players, many of which do not fit the scheme, which is why we need a GM.) However, the Bengals have not taken a LB higher than 9th (Rivers last year). When picking in the top 6, the Bengals have picked more offense than defense, at 5-3, with 3 QB’s drafted, and 2 DE. I agree completely with Kirkendahl that the Bengals will not draft DE with 2 guys signed in the last 2 years for 60 million, and they will not draft a QB because they have Palmer. The Bengals have drafted an OT both times they have drafted 10th. Therefore, the Bengals will draft a OT (best mix of value and need) if they stand still, and a LB if they trade down.

by jim0ijk on Jan 30, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Whit at RT

Lets say whitworth moves to Right Tackle. This opens up our draft in the first 3 rounds. In the 1st We could Draft
MLB Rey Maualuga
or LB Aaron Curry This would allow us to take either a Center or Guard in the 2nd Round. (maybe a guy that can play both?) guys like Oregon’s Max Unger or Cal’s Alex Mack ( i have Unger rated higher at this point)
Then in the 3rd round we would either take a RB, Pass Rushing DE, or Guard if they feel like the Center they draft is only a Center.
But i think the most overlooked postion that the Bengals need is a FB, they need a guy that can do it all. (i know i know, every teams needs that) They need a guy that can block in the run game and be able to spot and pcik up the blitz as well as catch the occasional pass out of the backfield

by firstPick on Jan 30, 2009 6:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

two words

jorvorskie lane 6 foot, close to 300lbs. soft hands, good runner. Problem solved.!

by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 30, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Problem solved.!"

Well, there is the issue of the people drafting these players.

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by Kirkendall on Jan 30, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Lets say whitworth moves to Right Tackle"

That’s kind of the indirect beauty with Collins and Whitworth. We could put Whit at LT who’s a bit more athletic and Anthony Collins at RT. Vice versa, it doesn’t matter.

If you don’t draft a guard, then could you keep working on Nate Livings at LG, or Scott Kooistra? Or am I dangerously walking the line of not realizing that these guys were here last year and we really struggled. Although in Livings case, it seemed to me that once Livings and Collins had a few games under their belt that the line’s play improved (perhaps stabilized is a better word) — then again, we did hit our easy schedule stretch in the last half of the season (4-3-1).

Jesus, now I’m rambling.

Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.

by Kirkendall on Jan 30, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whit to RT

I had forgotten Livings. Livings started throught the 3 game winning streak. If the Bengals take a defense player with the 6 pick (or trade down to take a D player) they could start LT Whitworth (or Collins), LG Livings, C Please someone new either draft or Free agent, RG Williams and RT Collins (or Whit) which seems serviceable, or did the last 3 games of the year. Still need to bring in depth in the draft but another pick like Collins or Amdrews in the 4th round would do for that. Next years schedule will be markedly easier than this which will also help.

by jim0ijk on Jan 31, 2009 8:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

O-Line

What if we could sign Center Matt Birk from the Vikings durring free agency, that would allow us to draft a C in the 4th or 5th round. And i also believe that we wont see Whitworth at LT, he just dosnt have the quickness in pass protection. He could play RT though. Collins is just more suited for the LT position than Whitworth. Collins is agile has quick feet, things that are a must at the LT postiton. Then draft a Guard in the 2nd round to play LG if he can beat of Livings. That allows you to take Defense in the 1st round.
LT (Collins) LG (2nd Round Pick) C (Free Agent Center) RB( Williams) RT (Whitworth)

by firstPick on Feb 1, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Guard

Probably could get either Herman Johnson or Duke Robinson in round two going with the above scenario. Also, there are five potential quality pro centers out there right off the bat- Mack and Unger, together slightly higher rated than Luigs, Caldwell, and Woods. Chances are, we could get the center we needed without signing Birk- or Saturday.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Feb 5, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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by shake n bake on Feb 4, 2009 8:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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