The Bengals Deserved That...and FIRE BRAT
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 18, 2009 4:48 PM EDT
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The Texans DOMINATED on OFFENSE and DEFENSE, which is pathetic.
The Bengals knew the Offense could get it going, but who knew the Bengal defense would make Schaub look like Brady and Peyton. The Texans passed 2 out of every 3 plays easy, and Schaub had all day to complete each of his passes. Not to mention the Texans practically converted a first down on every passing down. The game consisted of continuous 15 yarders to Andre Johnson, monster screen passes to Slaton and wide open bootlegs to Daniels ALL DAY. How could this happen? I mean, the Bengals were rushing FOUR linemen all game. Give me a break. No pressure again. Each blitz (I'd say 4 in all) were snuffed out by a perfectly executed screen pass to Slaton. And worst of all, the Bengals bit on every play action pass that the Texans threw at them. How could this happen? The Texans barely ran the ball, and when they did they had marginal success, yet the Bengal defense played the run ALL DAY as if the Texans ran it down their throats. Schaub THREW the ball almost EVERY play. What kind of game plan did Zimmer have in this game. The Texans are not the Ravens, nor the Steelers, the Texans PASS the ball. That's what they do. Send some pressure, play some man-to-man, and put a safety on Owen Daniels for heaven's sake.
The offense was even worse. Another game, another failure offensively. The only time the offense ever moves the ball is on their first drive of the game and when Carson goes no huddle. I can only imagine that Bratkowski only prepares for the first drive of the game. After that it's run, run, incompletion or incompletion, run, incompletion. The same predictable offense of years past. SOOO FRUSTRATING TO WATCH. That's why the games don't sell out right away. Don't even get me started with the Tight Ends. It's a shame that Kelly and Utecht are injured, because nearly half of Carson's throws would have gone their way. How many times is Carson going to target Coats and Foschi???? Why aren't Coats and Foschi BLOCKING???? Where is COFFMAN??? Coats and Foschi are out there running routes EVERY single passing play. Let Coffman, a somewhat talented, steady-handed receiver go out there and make some plays. Coats and Foschi running routes are MUCH more of a liability than Coffman would be at this point. Give me a break.
Marvin better right this ship because Chicago, Baltimore and Pittsburgh are waiting in the wings. Fire Bratkowski and put someone in who knows how to play call. I can't bare to see this season go to waste. The Bengals could easily be 0-6. It's frustrating to watch the defense let up all those yards when they are supposed to keep us in games, especially since its a given the offense will go three and out every drive until the two minute warnings.
Come on Marvin.
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You're analysis is dead on.
Hopefully they pull it together and beat on the Bears like they stole something. Who Dey!
by KenAnderson'sTurfToe on Oct 18, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NOT dead on. See my post below.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ridiculous.
you want to say that coats and foschi aren’t blocking, and yet you wonder why coffman isn’t in? I’m not happy with TE play either, but don’t call for coffman when it would clearly hurt our running game to have him in. “throw him in on passing downs” you say? well that’s great if you want to tip off a defensive coordinator to what we’re going to do that play every time we make a personnel change. and how do you know coffman is “somewhat talented” and “steady handed”? he’s never played a single regular season nfl snap.
and the fact that there’s a “run, run, incompletion, run, incompletion” is because we have one of the best running games in the league to this point. We got out of our game today because we couldn’t run in the second half because of the quick scores of the Texans. So don’t complain about our offensive scheme when we’re 4-2 and have a top 5 running game.
yeah, our defense was a huge letdown today, but that would happen to any defense if it’s top two defensive lineman went down in the same 10 minute span. The Texans played a perfect game, and we still had a chance to close the gap in the end.
The giants got blown out today, but I’m sure nobody is thinking they’re not one of the most solid teams in the league.
there’s no reason to throw in the towel after a loss to a good team that had underachieved to this point and needed a win to even stay in the division race.
I can’t wait to see everyone bitch this week and then be all giddy again next week if the Bengals beat the Bears. I’m not happy about the loss either, but let’s try to keep some perspective. We still have the division lead and beat every other team in our division.
by dcombs on Oct 18, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tip off the defensive coordinator?
Aren’t we not “tipping” off the defensive coordinator by keeping in coats on running plays?? That makes no sense. When it’s third and long I don’t think you are tipping off anyone by putting in a pass catching tight end. Was Coats or Foschi a steady-handed player in college? I don’t think so. Does Coffman have the most receiving yards for a tight end in ncaa history? I think so. Steady-handed. Sure is. So I don’t care if he never played a game in the nfl. Let the kid play. Let him try to block a play here and there if you don’t want to “tip” off the defensive coordinator. WHen its third and long, the Bengals are passing. No doubt about it. No need to have Coats or Foschi in there to run 3 yard outs and curls.
The running attack has been tremendous this year, but very inconsistent. I wouldn’t call it top 5 in the league. Didn’t run well against Pittsburgh. Didn’t run well today against a terrible run defense. Dominated against Baltimore which is very impressive, but its hard to stick to the running game when we trail practically every game. And “tip” off a defensive coordinator why don’t you. Even I know when the Bengals are running the ball.
I’m glad the Bengals are atop the division right now, but they have a long ways to go and this should have been a win for them. Giants fans won’t “bitch” this week because they have been one of the best teams in the league for the last FIVE years, not to mention Super Bowl Champs.
I’ll complain all I want about our Offensive scheme, especially when the DEFENSE let’s us down. If the defense plays poorly, the offense needs to step it up and the only time the offense steps it up is after the two-minute warning. Inexcusable.
I’ll be thrilled if the Bengals beat the Bears next week, but this team has a long ways to go if they want to see any action in January and February. I don’t care if they lead the division right now. The team at the top has to work the hardest. I didn’t see that from them today.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 18, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The giants got blown out today, but I’m sure nobody is thinking they’re not one of the most solid teams in the league."
Except for the fact the Giants went to and won the Super Bowl not long ago by beating an undefeated Patriots team that embarrassed the rest of the teams in the NFL that season.
And the Bungles are JUST like them…wait…how?
missing something
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The Texans are not the Ravens, nor the Steelers, the Texans PASS the ball. That's what they do."
Watch football much, Bungles fan? Other than your own team, and who they happen to play on Sundays?
The Steelers are passing LIGHTS FREAKIN’ OUT right now, and have been for a few years now. Roethlisberger (you could have drafted him) passed for 417 yards and 2 TD’s. Could have been 3.
There’s no excuse except you’re the (overconfiden, overrated) Bungles.
Hey, this view from the top looks familiar, thanks for keeping our seats warm.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not very smart 58.
you’re right, the bengals aren’t like them, they didn’t get blown out today. And it must be nice to finally be able to pass the ball. enjoy it while it lasts. not to mention the stealers are shitty. Wow, you beat detroit and cleveland, you’re back on “top”. congrats.
it’s just too bad that “view from the top” is actually second place. last I checked the bengals still lead the division.
and I’m also confused on how it’s relevant to talk about the giants winning the super bowl two years ago? I forgot that it completely erases things that happen NOW.
and on third and long, why not just put in another receiver? what’s even the point of having coffman in in that situation if it’s just to play a slower version of a wide receiver?
and actually, it may not look it now, but daniel coats came out of BYU as a receiving tight end.
must’ve left his hands at the table when he got done signing his contract.
I don’t want to argue with a fellow bengals fan, especially since there’s some pittsburgh prick here now. I agree our offense needs to step it up, I’m just not so sure it has anything to do with playcalling as much as execution and I’m not sure chase coffman would be the best remedy at the moment. thats all.
but that just goes to show you things don’t always translate from college to the nfl.
by dcombs on Oct 18, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw the Steelers
Granted, I would much rather have 4 wrs in there instead of coats, foschi or coffman. But I cannot stand that Foschi and Coats actually get targeted in this offense and leave yards/points on the field like that. No excuses. Coats gets more targets than Henry. In fact, I think he has more drops than Henry has targets.
But you’re right no point in arguing. Just venting after a terrible loss. Next week it is.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 18, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We sure as #@$% aren't like the Bungles, you're right!
The Steelers aren’t the ones who, by almost all of your admissions, could be 0-6. Just about every national media member and expert agrees with you.
The Steelers aren’t like that.
Reading through your boards, you even have fans skittishly trying not to “jinx” the Bungles for fear the old Bungles will show up and tank, as expected.
Listen…it’s happening now. Hear those floorboards creak? The timber in your mast begin to twist and crack? The hull taking on water? You guys are only at the top because you played some good ball and were able to barely pull out wins. But, wins are wins, no doubt about that.
As for the standings, do you really think a little half game, with us still coming up on the schedule for part 2, is really that much? We’re winning. Doesn’t matter who it is. And we’re overcoming and fixing what was wrong in our house the first few games. So, I meant exactly what I said.
Thanks for keeping our spot warm. Enjoy fighting the Baltisnore RatBirds for the scraps.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Steelers are a run-first team and you know it. For his career, Roethlisberger throws around 200 yards per game. Some passing game. I would never take Roethlisberger over Palmer.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 18, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK. You just proved you know not much at all.
You would LOVE Roethlisberger over Palmer. But you can’t have him, and you could have. So, I understand…it’s ok. No disrespect over Palmer. Period. Love the guy.
And…a career200 yds/game passe…I’m sorry, what has he done 2 of the last 3 seasons? 3400 yards and 32 TD’s in ’07? Lighting it up through the air this season?
If you knew ANYTHING, it would be that the Steelers are not, repeat NOT, a “run first” team, and haven’t been since the end of the ‘05 season. Arians is a passing O.C. He was the WR coach. Seeing it yet? The stats don’t lie, just look for yourself. Hell, you probably think the Steelers of ’78 – ’80 were running teams as well. Look there too.
Oh, Bungles fan, silly guys.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you are a Steeler fan and thus by definition an idiot, but if you really think that any Bengals fan wants Rotburger you are really plumbing the depths.
If Rotburger suddenly threw for 700 yards every game we STILL wouldn’t want him. Even if he suddenly couldn’t be sacked at all, couldn’t throw an interception, couldn’t even throw an incompletion, etc. If he was the very best QB in the league we STILL wouldn’t want him. For exactly the same reason you blindly worship him… emotional attachment to the team we follow and extreme distaste (or worse) for the divisional rivals.
by FriarBob on Oct 18, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's why we wouldn't want Roethlisberger on the Bengals
Talent and statistics have absolutely nothing to do with it. Roethlisberger happens to fit PIT’s system like a glove. Who’s to say that even if he were on the Bengals, he would have had the same kind of success. That’s just PIT fans giving him an ego blowjob if you ask me. IF we didn’t draft Palmer and drafted Roethlisberger the following year, he probably would have not started his first year, and I honestly think that Bratkowski wouldn’t have allowed him to play the way he does in your offense. Brat rarely allows Carson to actually play to his potential because his playcalling resembles a broken record. The only time we see Carson live up to his billing is during the two minute drill.
If Roethlisberger was behind the same 08 Bengals line Palmer was, he probably would have had his season ended in week 4 as well, if not sooner because of his tendency to hold on to the ball and take the sack. I’m not dogging Roethlisberger’s talent level, I’m just saying he is a much better fit for PIT than for CIN, and vice versa with Palmer.
I personally wouldn’t want Roethlisberger on my team because he is a fucking asshole, pardon my french. I went to jr. high and high school with him, and he was a d-bag then, and will always be a d-bag. Even the frontrunning bandwagon PIT fans here in Findlay think he’s a d-bag, but root for him and his team because he’s a hometown product. Despite the fact I don’t like him, I do believe he is innocent of any rape charges that have been leveled against him. I do think Dog Face Gremlin girl is just another gold digger trying to capitalize on Roethlisberger’s celebrity. That doesn’t change the fact I don’t like him. And regardless of what he or the media says, he is NOT the product of a blue collar family, and he is NOT a blue collar footballer. His dad is the VP at the Ball Metal plant in Findlay, and he is very white collar and was one of the rich kids in school. But I digress.
The point is that nobody really knows if any player that plays for any NFL team would have the same success if drafted elsewhere. I’m not a what if kind of person. I live in the now. It is what it is(the most overused sports cliche in history, but also the truest). We just gotta man up after a heartbreaking loss against a Texans team that we have always matched up poorly against and make adjustments.
Yes the Steelers were at one time a run first team. This year’s Steelers are definitely not. They can’t find a running game. “Fast” Willie Parker looks a few steps slow. Mendenhall had a decent showing, but he’s not the answer. Just because you’re the defending Super Bowl Champions doesn’t mean that you guys will repeat. I don’t think you will, for two reasons. No balance on the offense. And no Aaron Smith on the D-line. That hurts you almost as bad as not having Odom hurts us. Aaron Smith may not be the guy who has statistical numbers, but he has the intangibles that you don’t see on the stat line. While I am saying that the Steelers won’t repeat, I don’t think we’re ready to get to the level of Super Bowl contenders either. We have two tight ends who are absolute garbage. They drop passes or put the ball on the ground after they do catch it. Our O-line is for the most part untested. Our defense is up and coming, but still very young. We did get one up on you this time. I’ll see you in 4 weeks. We’ll see what happens then.
I have many friends and family members who are Steeler fans, and I have gotten into heated debates and even fistfights with them. I also have friends who are Browns fans. In the end, no matter how emotional we get about our respective teams, remember, it’s only a game.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 20, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting in fistfights with your friends and family pretty much says it all.
But I’ll comment on a couple things:
1) Your opinion of him as a person or wins? I’ll take wins over your opinion.
2) The season is long, and the “balance” we apparently need is seeing us at 4-2 and LOTS of time to figure it out. Don’t forget, the ‘79 Steelers got plastered by the Bungles and went on to go 12-4 and win their 4th Super Bowl. Just saying.
3) Do you pay attention to ANYTHING? The Steelers have been said to have one of the worst lines in football the last few years! And Ben is f’n WAY more durable than Palmer. Way more. Look atthe hits each has taken. Palmer is no Ben. Sorry. Like him, but seriously, sorry.
4) The “System”…please…enlighten me and describe this"system" that Ben fits into so well, and is directly responsible fopr his success? Please? Going from a “rushing team” in 04-05 to a passing team since is…the same system? Oh, you mean the system CHANGED? What could have possibly prompted that? Please, share with us.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? You wouldnt take the guy with 2 Super Bowl rings over a guy who has never won a playoff game? Wow, no wonder you are a Bengals fan
by gimpsta7 on Oct 20, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you read his whole response.
What he said was Big Ben wouldn’t be a good fit in our system. Brat wouldn’t know how to use him. He never said one was better than the other.
by KenAnderson'sTurfToe on Oct 20, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Poor coaching.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roethlisberger
Is just an over-glorified Trent Dilfer. Who also has a super bowl ring and yet I wouldn’t take him either.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 20, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta respectfully disagree with that one.
I see Roethlisberger play almost as much as I see Carson Palmer. (My wife is a Steelers fan,talk about a mixed marriage!) The guy can lights out play the position as well as anyone not named Manning or Brees.
Having said that, I still want Carson Palmer running this team. If he had the luxory of having even a slightly competent OC.there wouldn’t even be a debate.
by KenAnderson'sTurfToe on Oct 20, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respect you and your logic. Rare to come by. I can respect a man who wants his QB for his team. Ill take Ben for mine, you have Carson for yours. But to your friend from New York, and over-glorified Trent Dilfer? Have you even seen that pass to Santonio Holmes that won us the Super Bowl? Not sure another QB in the league makes that play. Nor does any QB get away from sacks like Ben does.
by gimpsta7 on Oct 20, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually disagreeing with bengal fan from new york.
But you make legit points.
by KenAnderson'sTurfToe on Oct 20, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right. Dilfer lights NFL teams up for lots of yards and TD's. I remember that.
And I also remember sleeping with your sister.
Both never happened.
Dilfer is a good guy. But he’s no Roethlisberger.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't talking about Dilfer
I was defending Roethlisberger. Comparing Dilfer to Roethlisburger is like comparing Hitler to Ghandi. One comparison makes about as much sense as the other
by KenAnderson'sTurfToe on Oct 21, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, the sister comment doesn't work
I don’t have one.
by KenAnderson'sTurfToe on Oct 21, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
steel turd troll invades cincy jungle after our 4 game winning streak (that included a victory over his team) ends… coincidence? we still lead the division, idiot.
by WhoDeyDerek on Oct 18, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny...
How the Bungles fans make rude personal remarks about othe people, when I never attacked any one of you personally.
And troll? hardly. I meant to come here, and post.
And I’ve been here before. Not invading, merely dropping some squat on your lawn. Enjoy.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I Said
Do the math. 200 × 16 = 3200. Lifetime 200 yard per game passer. Please. Run-first as always. You’re hiding Roethlisberger’s stats behind the defense and the run the ball down your mouth philosophy. Pass for 400 yards against a cleveland team all you want.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 18, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And thank you, we did do just that today. :) 417 to be accurate.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stay outta this Pittsburgh
You’re only here to cause trouble and we beat you. Remember that; we beat you. Worry about getting into first place.
B. Clifton Burke
by Mojokong on Oct 19, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You did beat us. I was pissed about that. How did those ass whippins we put on you for years feel though? Cause theyve felt good to me. Plus, I dont think Im satisfied yet, I think now that we have Troy back, he should greet his old College roommate the way he normally does, with an interception and a big hug on 3 and 10.
by gimpsta7 on Oct 20, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOu also beat us in '79, and you stayed home...again...while we hoisted the trophy.
Remember that.
And we’re not worried. The fans, nor the team, it seems. It’s a long season, and OUR history is not that of crumbling. Remember ’06? You needed that win to go to the playoffs, we needed it to finish 8-8. You lost to a team with a losing record, a rival, on your home field. Dagger placed by Ben to Holmes catch and run and dive. (O-H-I-O connection, btw, lol!)
So be excited about a regular season win, which is apparently what your owner is excited for and aims for. Steelers do what hey need to do. Sure seems to be enough to beat you more often than not, and win trophies more often than any other franchise.
But whatever. None of that matters, right?
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also funny...
That the Bungles beat the Steelers… with Carson under center. Roethlisberger? No thanks. We’re doing just fine with Carson the Clutch Palmer.
by WhoDeyDerek on Oct 18, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Clutch"??
mmmmkay.
Roethlisberger is far more clutch than Palmer ever will be.
Check the “clutch” stats. I’m not making it up, or being an idiot. I’m saying, Palmer is and never will be more “clutch” than Ben. Just. Won’t. Be. :)
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the record of Palmer vs. Roethlisberger, head to head, inluding playoff starts? :)
Exactly. Keep your QB. We have ours.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
Its more of Carson vs. Pitt D than Carson vs. Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger lives off that Defense. Without them he’s nothing.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 18, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team effort. Team sport. And Palmer doesn't benefit from when the Bungles defense produces?
Your whole argument there is flawed, and shows very little football intellect. I’m sure your moderator here at the Jungle would agree. Come at me with something educated and non-fanatical.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Intellect?
Besides these first 6 games and last year (in which Palmer did not play), Carson has NEVER had a defense to lean on. So that shows your football intellect. Keep looking up your stats and figures and come back here looking for arguments. I think our moderator would agree your arguments are baseless and pure instigation.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 23, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Stats for the Lazy:
The Steelers “Rush First” attack this year:
Rushes: 166 (Bungles: 161)
Passes: 208 (Bungles: 203)
Ranks in league:
Rushing: 15th (Bungles: 18th)
Passing: 2nd (Bungles 13th)
Palmer’s last 4 healthy seasons:
13,377 passing yards (54 games)
Roethlisberger’s last 4 healthy seasons:
11,855 passing yards (51 games)
Quite the overpowering, dominant RUSHING attack there, huh? Especially THIS year, where Roethlisberger is passing for 314.5 yards/game.
One more, just so you don’t think it’s just this year that’s skewing the stats:
From 2006 – Present, the Steelers have a Pass/Rush ratio of 1,679 (pass) to 1,605 (rush).
Quite the “RUN HEAVY” attack, huh?
Your posts are worthless if you’re going to spew garbage that even the commentators are realizing isn’t true. Garbage that’s based on PERCEPTIONS OF HISTORY, not ACTUAL PRESENT DAY facts.
Now, to sate my take again, that you so ingloriously FAILED to be able to accurately shoot down, the Steelers are now a “Pass First” team.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow, in 3.3 years, you have 74 more rushes than passes. You have a 51% to 49% pass ratio. Wow that’s a huge prevalence of passing over rushing there. You obviously haven’t watched much football. The Steelers are balanced… sorta. And they’re passing because their rushing game has sucked the last few years.
You want to see a pass-first team? Go look up tapes of the New England Patriots from 2007. Or the 2008 New Orleans Saints. When you can show me a Steelers team that passes 65+% of the time and puts up at least 4 times at much yardage through the air as on the ground, then the Steelers are a pass first team.
Until then you’re just a loudmouthed, blithering moron.
by FriarBob on Oct 18, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
er 74 more passes than rushes… whatever. Either way, that’s a utterly pathetic degree of “dominance” for your passing game over your rushing game.
by FriarBob on Oct 18, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Friar....I was responding to a post that claimed, and I quote:
"Steelers are a run-first team and you know it. "
Then, once more, reiterated later. Same accusation. False, I might add.
So I posted the facts.
The facts are, the Steelers are actually NOT run first team. And what happens when I do that? Again, I’m called a turd, a loudmouthed, blithering moron, etc. Did I call any of your posters that? No. I just called them out for stating the incorrect facts. Hell, they didn’t even post facts, I did.
As for comparing the Steelers to the Patriots or the Saints teams you referred to…two of the most prolific passing offenses in the history of the NFL, I might add, nice job there…I never compared the Steelers to them. I posted facts that destroyed your fellow Bungle fans assetion that the Steelers are a predominantly “run first” team. I did not in fact, compare them, even hint to compare them, to the passing teams you mentioned.
Nice job, Friar. Really nice job. Way to intelligently, maturely handel a situation, all the way around.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Bobby, when you "quote" someone, make sure they said what you're quoting.
I never said dominance of the passing over the rushing.
I said we’re a “pass first” team, and I never strayed from that. You need to be more responsible when you respond. :)
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A pass first team is a team whose passing offense dominates their rushing offense in both numbers of plays and production. My point stands.
For a team that passes about 55% of time to be called a “pass first team” is like calling winning a game by one point “domination”.
by FriarBob on Oct 18, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a matter of fact...when a team passes more than they run, THEN they are a "pass first" team.
I have absolutely no idea where you get your ratio of 4 times as much yardage through the air as on the ground…can you tell me where you got that ratio, and why there are MANY “pass first” teams that are considered “passfirst,” who do not in fact adhere to this mythical ratio?
Great job, again, Friar. Enjoying you making yourself out to be a real sensitive thinking man with a good grasp on reality.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. Coming from somebody like you that is quite a compliment.
by FriarBob on Oct 18, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sucked? Parker has made how many more probowls in his career than the current Cinci running backs? Or rather, players on the team?
by gimpsta7 on Oct 20, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many?
One pro bowl for Willie. COnsidering how much Pitt runs the ball, I wouldn’t call that such a great accomplishment.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 20, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has only played in one Probowl. He made more teams.
by gimpsta7 on Oct 20, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check your facts again, Bungle New Yawka....
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep looking up your facts
And why dont you compare the ratios of Pitt to every other team in the league. I’m willing to bet the Steelers RUN more than every other team in the league besides maybe the Ravens who are also a RUN FIRST team. So you have a 51-49% ratio. Big deal. You still run more than every other team in the league, which would make you a RUN-FIRST team.
I’ll let you have your glory in knowing that THIS year you “might” be a pass first team through SIX games.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 18, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I know for a fact from my research that you are categorically wrong in your statement.
And the other funny thing is you’re relying on ME to look up the facts. Again, lazy, like your coach, like your team. Lazy. And nothing to show for that laziness.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Keep on giving us these BLANK statements that you know for a FACT. You keep bringing up the facts so why don’t you lay out your supposed research.
Why all of a sudden do you not choose to enlighten us with your “research”. Tell me how many teams have a higher run-pass ratio than the Steelers and I will believe you. Until then, I will not rely on your words that I am “categorically wrong” and that “you” know your research (which interestingly enough you have not rushed to present here all of a sudden).
And Plus, I don’t need to do research because “I know for a fact from my research that you are categorically wrong in your statement”
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 23, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please...
Try to respond without making a jackass out of yourself, Joe Bengals fan. I think you can do it. Your site moderator would like you to.
Quit with the personal attacks, the personal, insulting name calling, etc. Respond to the facts, and not with your fantatical viewpoint. Respond in an intelligent way to the facts and statements laid forth.
One great stat is that Roethlisberger has passed for just about 1,400 fewer regular season yards than has Carson Palmer, in their last 4 healthy seasons. Ben has played in 4 less game during that time, so if you take his “carer 200 yards a game,” and factor that in, during the same span, it owuld be about 600 yards bonus towards Palmer.
Now, in my mind, with Palmer being more experienced, and a little longer in the league, that would give him a bonus. Also, having stellar talent at wideout like Chad Ochostinko, T.J. Who’sYourMomma, and Chris Henry, among others, and we had…that punk of a jerk called Hines Ward? Really? I’d say Ben has done JUST FINE for himself. And ummm…delivered the hardware along the way.
Like I said…stand by your man. I like Palmer. I just wouldn’t trade your whole team for Roethlisberger any day of the week.
And…seriously. Attck the message, do it intelligently, and don’t make personal attacks. Seriously unbecoming.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And
This isnt about Carson’s numbers. You claimed that the Steelers were a pass-first team. You support it with blind ratios. You still rush more than every other team in the league. And for the record in every other year Carson has thrown for way more yards than Ben when he played.
Now get back to your research and find another team that has rushed more than the Steelers in say the last 10 years. Probably not going to find many.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 18, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, again, you're VERY wrong, and facts support me saying that.
I have no idea what “blind ratios” you are referring to. I posted statistics, not ratios.
And we do not, in fact, rush more than any other team in the league. What do I have to do, seriously, to prove this to you? Post stats?? OK, you lazy Bungles fan, I’ll go do the research for you, to shut you up once and for all. Will the ACTUAL FACTS fnally shut you up? Or when I do post them, will you say the steelers still run more than any other team in the league? hahaha…
Bro, the Steelers, as of late (last 3 -4 years) do not, in fact, rush more than any other team in the league, and by FAR do not this season.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SO
Where are these “actual facts”. Let me enlighten you .58. you came HERE and spouted your facts. EXCEPT your context is entirely off. You say that the Steelers are not run-first and give us a “RATIO” of percentages showing us the run-pass split. YET you do NOT show us how this compares to the rest of the league. SO when you come here you need to bring the FACTS. NOT B.S.
SHow me the facts and I will believe you. DOn’t give me this garbage about six games in 2009 and lead me to believe that has been the state of the Steelers since 2002.
SO show me that the Steelers do not run more than any other team in the league then and I will SHUT UP.
STill waiting.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 23, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to replay what I've been called so far:
"some pittsburgh prick " —dcombs
“an idiot” — Friar Bob
“steel turd troll….idiot” — WhoDeyDerek
" just a loudmouthed, blithering moron." — Friar Bob
You stay classy, Cincinatti.</em>
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
56 we have you figured out.
Steelers came out flat this year. Was it distractions? Big Ben’s rape civil lawsuit? Nobody knows for sure. Carson beat the Steelers. Steelers fans filed out of PBS with heads hung low and terrible towels tucked between both cheeks. I was there. Saw it.
Steelers fans aren’t used to losing. They just don’t handle it well. Remember when they egged Tommy Maddox’s house? They/re really classy. So naturally, after the loss they were infuriated and depressed. “THOSE STUPID BUNGLES!” They cried, terrible towels still tucked snuggly up their assholes, “THEY’RE OVERRATED AND MEDIOCRE!”
So now 56 and other Steelies have a bad case of the sour grapes. 56 wants to convince us that deep down we’d rather have Ben over Carson. Why? Not sure since the last thing we need in Cinci is a rapist to revive our thug image. Carson is our best player and has basically won every game for us this season… So logically, we as Bengals fans should want Ben over Carson. Especially since Ben beat Carson a few weeks ago.
Your troll mind tricks are working, 56.
by WhoDeyDerek on Oct 18, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
58
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ouch.
OK. I’ll play your game.
56 is Lamar Woodley. I’ll take that. :)
Thank you.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 18, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, thank you.
If thats the best you can do. Keep those towels tucked.
by WhoDeyDerek on Oct 18, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You WISH you had Woodley on your team.
I’d take Lamaar over Odom in a heartbeat.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so you know
Besides a handful of teams (Minn., Buffalo, Carolina, TB, New Orleans, Tennessee, Oakland). Pitt was one of the only teams to run more times than they passed today.
If you break down those teams that ran more than they passed today, besides Minn. and New Orleans, all of those teams run the ball more than they throw because they can’t throw for shit, which does not put Pitt in good company. Could that be a reason why Pitt chooses to run so much, because they can’t throw?
I’ll wait for you to pull up your numbers #58
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 18, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This made no sense whatsoever.
And the numbers I’d respond to this post with I already posted.
Let me get the gist of this posters message:
[] 7 teams ran more than they threw today.
[] All but two of those teams run because they suck passing.
[] Because they did that TODAY, they are in poor company in general.
[] Because they are in poor company in general, based on todays run/pass ration, the Steelers must not be able to pass worth a damn.
OK. Well, I guess I’ll just have to count you as someone who has never taken a class in logic, or rational thinking.
The Steelers are currently SECOND in the league in passing.
Questions for you, Bengal Fan From New York:
1) Are the Steelers 2nd in the league in passing because they are always playing from behind and just tossing the football around desperately?
2) Is the Steelers passing attack led by a quarterback who is playing efficiently, or just gunning it like a madman downfield and getting lucky with his throws?
Just answer those questions.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 19, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I Said
Stick to this years first SIX games. You pass for SIX games against awful teams and suddenly you think you are a pass-first team. Let Ben settle into his mediocrity. It’s a shame you back away from the run-first defensive philosophy that actually WON you some superbowls and try to rally around the arm of a quarterback that just cant hang with the likes of Carson Palmer in the pocket. Keep dreaming that Ben will keep this up.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 19, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are so amazingly dense.
Nothing I posted above (especially the statistical facts over the last 4 years) mean anything to you. “Suddenly” is not what has happened to the Steelers offense. It’s been going that way since 2002, actually. I’m right, youre wrong. I’ve been willing to show acual stats, you just show nothing but shoot your mouth off.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGAIN
You’ve been willing to show the stats yet you show NOTHING
STILL WAITING
CHILD PLEASE
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 23, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were way ahead so they probably ran to control the lead
and you’re right Tennessee, Oakland and Tampa can’t throw the ball for shit. I think Kerry Collins was like 2 of 15 or something meanwhile Brady threw 6 TDs in the same snowy condition.
At least we didn’t lose 59-0 guys.
by St. Esiason on Oct 18, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh
Why is a Pittsburgh player here talking trash? Pitt’s 4 wins came against opponents with FOUR COMBINED WINS. They beat the powerhouse Titans by 3 in Pitt. And they lost head-to-head against Cincinnati.
Doesn’t really matter what you think, our win-loss resume is clearly superior to Pitt’s right now. Maybe that won’t be the case in a few weeks, but until then you should probably just stop talking trash about how good your team is.
by NimaG on Oct 18, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not as much talking trash as listening to it.
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“…our win-loss resume is clearly superior to Pitt’s right now. Maybe that won’t be the case in a few weeks, but until then…”
Exactly one of the main reasons we are the Steelers and you are the Bungles. Great way to be positive.
And I’m, uh, not a Steelers player. Hate to break that to you…
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 19, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just glad I could unite everyone. haha.
the fact of the matter is 58:
the bengals have the division lead. and as a steelers fan i understand why you would be so certain that we’re going to “choke” away our division lead, but please, let the season play out. We have let the season play out to this point, and we have the division lead, we’ve beat everyone in the division.
it used to be such a point of pride for a steelers fan that their ground game was so dominating, i understand that now you like to try to hide the fact that your run game is suffering severely by saying that you are now a “pass first” team.
it’s just nature to try to hide your team’s mediocre offensive line. and sub par halfbacks.
i almost feel sorry ben has to run for his life every game, he probably wishes he had ANY kind of pocket to throw from.
it’s okay, i completely understand.
by dcombs on Oct 18, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you have it all wrong dcombs...
we just feel sorry for ben because deep down inside we really want him on our team.
the party boy is the answer to cleaning up our bad boy image from ’05!!
sarcasm ensues. southern cal steeler bandwagon troll officially owned.
by WhoDeyDerek on Oct 18, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who Dey, Derek?
Who’s dat team ’tink dey goooooone beat dem Bungles, who dey?
Maybe a lifetime 47-31 record vs. the Fierce Kittens.
Or maybe a record of 16-6 against you since 1999. (Includes bitter playoff defeat where we snatched the Lombardi from your oh-so-deserving fingers. That was SO your year, wasn’t it?)
Statistically, I’d say Cowher had it right: “When I say ‘Who dey?’ you say ’We dey!”
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 19, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh. And you’re telling us to have class? If coming to a rival’s blog and taunting the fans of their team is “classy” by your definition, then I very much want to have no class whatsoever.
by FriarBob on Oct 19, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some fair points...But....
We HAVE let the season play out to this point. True enough. But they don’t award @%#$ in October, they do that in February.
So, with that being said, one small reminder:
1989.
Steelers start 0-2.
By a combined score of 92-10.
Our opponents? Bungles and Browns.
The Steelers finished 1/2 game behindthe Browns for the division title.
So you can keep your gold stars for your 3 point victory over the Steelers this September.
And our running gme is by far not a weak point in our team. Have you watched us much? Do you follow what’s been happening the last 3 weeks? You do realize Mendenhall is a 1st round pick, not someone we picked up shoveling mud somewhere in Ohio, right? Or Mewelde Moore? Ever watched him play football? Or what about, in my opinion, our third best back, Willie Parker? Right. Ok. You have Cedric benson…and…well, hope that bubble on him doesn’t burst. He’s been playing well for you since last year, but…hard to ignore the debacle in Chicaaaago all those years.
We have a good, solid, balanced team. At the moment, though, we are setting up the run with the pass, not vice versa.
It’s a way to do it, and since we’re winning, well…we’ll ride it.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 19, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember....Child Please
Mendenhall has had 1 good game this season on Monday night. I’ve been watching plenty. And, mind you, Benson is also a 1st round pick. I believe he was drafted much higher than Mendenhall (say in the top 5) but that’s just off the top of my head. Maybe you can look that up.
And Roethlisberger is just that guy that you found shoveling mud somewhere in the middle of Ohio, right?
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 19, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mendenhall's actually had three very productive games so far this season.
And I believe he’s got a better YPC than Benson.
And if you are looking at simply yards, then you are obviously just a simple-minded guy who watches football for the fantasy aspect.
Mendnehall has been throwing CRUSHING blocks this season, and playing a complete game as a RB. More to things than yard,s but uh…we’ll take the 160+ he put up, as well as his TD’s and solid 70+ efforts as well.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? You're rambling dude.
NO mention was made of Mendenhall’s blocking. Plus, some Steeler fan you must be. I recall Mendenhall being benched early this season for “missing” blocking assignments. But I digress, and agree that he has been blocking well thus far (for THREE games). No need for you to try and come over the top and compare Mendenhall’s three games blocking to Benson, because I will also agree that Benson is no stud in the blocking game.
Keep talking your game. Every time you get stumped in your arguments you look elsewhere and bringing up something totally unrelated and/or minor.
I’m waiting for you to tell us that Mendenhall throws CRUSHING blocks on special teams coverage.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 23, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And anyone who uses "Child Please" needs to stop. Just...stop.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me know whan I said I didn't want the season to play out.
I actually mentioned that when it does (a sign that I’m totally cool with the season playing out…and btw, do we have a choice?) the Steelers will again be ahead of the Bungles. Simple.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tight End
The tight end situation in my opinion is the weakest position on this team. Coats couldn’t catch a ball if his life depended on it. During the game I saw him miss blocks on Linebackers as well. Coats has dropped potential touchdown passes as well as balls that an average tight end in the NFL should catch. Yes, he’s not the only one dropping balls but, all other guys have made those catches in the past and will eventually make those catches . If I was Marvin, I would really consider rookie Coffman. He proved he could catch the ball better than any other tight end in college. Its in his genes. His dad Paul, played in the NFL and was a two-time pro bowler. The biggest knock against him is that he can’t block. Playing time can only help him though. How good of a blocker is Dallas Clarke or Chris Cooley? Chase has proven that he can catch in college and at 6’5" tall, he would make a great target in end zone situations.
by bengalstripes on Oct 18, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Foschi and Coats may be solid blockers, but not exceptional, and below average pass-catchers. Time for a change.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 19, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
@58
Yeah we get it. Steelers own the Bengals,blah blah blah.6 Super Bowls,blah blah blah.Ben Roethlisburger,blah blah blah.Bengal fans are calling me names,and I’m telling mommy,blah blah blah.
You seem to be more enamored with our loss than your win. Why is that? Is your life so miserable,that you have to make yourself feel better by busting on everyone else?
I’m going to get on with my life today,and look forward to next Sunday. Why don’t you do the same? Get out of mommy’s basement,try to find a girlfriend,and enjoy life.
BTW,good luck trying to deal with the a$$ kicking the Vikings are about to lay on you. Have a nice day :)
by KenAnderson'sTurfToe on Oct 19, 2009 7:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our Win/Your Loss
Has nothing to do with it. I am responding to the assertion that Pittsburgh is a “Run First” team, as stated so ignorantly by one of your posters, and re-confirmed as true by others in your community.
When I posted actual statistical facts to prove them wrong, they decided to not focus on that, and take to name calling.
So, while I look for a basement (we just don’t have many of those in California…weather today is insane, 72 degrees, clear, sun is out) youcan look forward to nervously keeping your eye on the Steelers Vikings game just as much, if not more, than your own. Don’t deny it. :)
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, well what are you gonna do.....
Fans for all teams don’t often get their facts right when it comes to other teams. Because THEY FOCUS ON THEIR OWN TEAM!!!!!!
Like what I did there? :)
by KenAnderson'sTurfToe on Oct 21, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW sorry about the mommy's basement comment.
Got caught up in smacking down the big bad Steelers fan. LOL I see a lot of the Steelers over the season because my wife is a fan of them. I am just as knowledgeable about them as I am the Bengals. I can’t say as I disagree with a lot of your “factpinions” I just wish you would go spout them off in your own team site. Just sayin.
by KenAnderson'sTurfToe on Oct 21, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not taking to any name calling
You bring up YOUR team’s split ratios to argue that you are not a run-first team. Yet when asked how your team splits (run pass RATIOS) compare to the rest of the league you have no facts to support your position. That’s probably because when you look at the other team offensive splits you see that Pittsburgh has run more often than any other team in the league which would make it a RUN-FIRST team. Then you start arguing about this year, 2002, etc. to try and deflect your actual misconception that the steelers have been a pass first team all of these years.
by bengal fan from new york on Oct 23, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
56
Has been waiting for us to lose since the Steelie win to do just this. He’s just a Steeler troll from S California that runs a motorcycle tour website. Not sure what a motorcycle tour is but I’m sure he’s um… very successful at it???
by WhoDeyDerek on Oct 19, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, thank you, quite successful actually. :)
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sheesh...
i came in here thinking all 55 of the comments would have been about Bratkowski yet i see you all took the troll’s bait and had pointless arguments that solve absolutely nothing…
you know, you can ignore trolls… the beauty of SB Nation is that 95% of its users are actual sports fans who understand that their team is not the only one out there. that other 5% is cyber tough guys like this who get a hard-on by getting under everyone’s skin. only the ones who have truly been bengalized should fall hook like and sinker.
come on, guys. let’s all ignore this d-bag and mind our own business. it’s no secret how annoying steeler fans can be, but don’t give them the time of day because that’s only going to get the word out that we respond to trolls… remember the old comments section on bengals.com before they took away commenting privileges? that’s what it’ll be like. be better than that…
by GrooveLeg on Oct 19, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Show me where in my posts I’m acting like a tough guy.
As for sports fans, wow…I don’t qualify?
The ONLY poster in this thread willing to post actual statistics and be able to argue them? Stick to a point and not go off into name calling? And I’m a tough guy that’s out of the 95% of intelligent sports fans?
You, sir, need to get adjuted, because if you actually read any of that, and had no biases, which you do, then you would be able to see how idiotic your assertion was.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Oct 21, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
Not having Leonard in the game also hurt us. Bratkowski’s bad play calling hurt is big time. Coles dropped passes hurt us a bunch. Tight ends suck, put Coffman in as a fucking slot receiver or something. Our D lost two of their best players early on so we can’t blame them for that. Peko and Odom? Come on, we can’t win without those games. We really need to seek replacements, at least for Odom, I hope Peko comes back soon. This loss will serve us to put our feet back on the ground, to stop calling for touchdown celebrations (Chad) and to start playing hard, consistent football for the remainder of the season. Don’t worry, I know a loss hurts, but we’re fucking 4-2, still first place, come on guys, relax.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Oct 19, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, the problem is that we aren’t a solid 4-2, we are a decent 4-2. I don’t feel confident that we win 6 more games at the level we just played, and I think we need 6 more to make the playoffs (especially with Denver and Houston having the tiebreak vs us).
If we stand pat on offense for this week, we need to bring Coffman in after the bye week. We also need to give the “sure-handed” coles a slap in the face.
Anyone have a link to dropped pass stats for this year? I’d guess the Bengals are winning that stat by a wide margin
by baronzeus on Oct 19, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not BCS
I don’t think style points count in the nfl. Bottom line is the Bengals made enough football plays to be 4-2 at this point. I agree they haven’t played their best football yet, but I would much rather them playing best in December when it counts. If they can beat Chi and get to 5-2, that would set up a strech run and opportunity to play better when it really counts. At least we’ve done enough so far to really control our fate.
Anybody know where Bernard Scott was yesterday? I was expecting him to take Leonards place on 3rd down as a check down guy that can move the chains (since obviously the te’s can’t). The Bengals saw firsthand what that kind of guy like a Slaton can do on 3rd down.
by gpcu02 on Oct 19, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn’t saying we need “style points”. We aren’t good enough to win 6 games in our remaining schedule as is. I think we win 5 as is, which will likely tie us for Denver or San Diego or Houston for the last playoff spot (I’m not handing out awards early, but it looks like Pittsburgh, Indy, New England, and either San Diego/Denver will take a spot based on their schedule and record so far).
If we get to 9-7 we are likely competing with Baltimore, San Diego/Denver, and Houston for the last spot. Sadly two of those 4 teams already have a tiebreak vs us.
by baronzeus on Oct 19, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dropped passes
OK I found some stats for dropped passes via Stats LLC:
Thru 6 weeks, players with 2 or more passes dropped:
Coats 4
Coles 3
Ochocinco 3
Benson 3 (!!)
The only team that is competing with us in terms of dropped passes is cleveland, also with 13 dropped passes on the list. Which is sad. if you add in a few dropped passes for other receivers (Caldwell has dropped 1, Foschi has dropped 1, I believe Henry has dropped 1) then we’re looking VERY bad. 16 dropped passes is 8% of Palmer’s total passes.
Coles, Coats, and Benson have 36 catches and 10 dropped passes. That means that if you hit them in the numbers they will only catch it 80% of the time. I don’t have NFL hands but played at school and I guarantee I could catch a ball thrown at me 80% of the time with distractions.
Seriously, that’s just sad. They are making Palmer look bad (lower completion percentage, fewer yds/attempt, in addition to one of the dropped passes led to an INT) and they are costing us games.
by baronzeus on Oct 19, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt hand pitt the afc north just yet
they still play us once, Baltimore twice, Denver, Minnesota, Green Bay, and their last game is @ Miami. Those are 7 tough games. We play Baltimore, Chicago, Pittstain, Jets, Chargers, and MINN in December… when Favre is known to cool down in his elderly age. Jets and Chargers are very beatable but are road games. I think even if we lose every game for the next 3 games we can go 10-6 if we can stay healthy… But I think we find a way to beat Chicago or Baltimore at home. Its not over yet… season isnt even halfway over.
by WhoDeyDerek on Oct 19, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not handing them the division...
but they are still one of the top teams in the AFC and are solid all around. I don’t see them missing the playoffs—not necessarily as champs
let’s just see how it plays out. i think if we win @ pitt it basically seals us ahead of them in the standings (i can’t see how they would win 3 more games then us out of their other 14 games…)
by baronzeus on Oct 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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