Game Review: Your Cincinnati Bengals are 3-1. The rest is just background noise
The Bengals are 3-1. I'll let that settle in your unsettled stomach for a second. It seems a bit, off, doesn't it? We haven't truly dominated football games like our wins in 2005. No. We're winning these games close, most of the time in the last overtime second. We're not used to this. But it's exactly what the Pittsburgh Steelers did last year, who played half their games that was decided by a touchdown or less. Settle down. I wouldn't think of comparing the Bengals to the Steelers of 2008. Not right now. While it's not pretty, while it's not by overwhelming command, the Bengals are 3-1.
But they could be 0-4.
Blah, blah, blah. They're not. They're 3-1. And if this means anything to you, then read our note of the week this week.
Note of the week: It was four days before Christmas in 2008 when the Cincinnati Bengals beat the Cleveland Browns for their third victory of that season.
Days from the start of the 2009 season until the Bengals won their third game: 22 days
Days from the start of the 2008 season until the Bengals won their third game: 106 days
And if that doesn't mean anything to you, then I can think of better ways of being proud of my 3-1 team than negotiating a method for you to be happy about this team as a whole. No buts. No howevers. Just a 3-1 football team that's off to Baltimore next week for Kings of the AFC North. Now, don't you feel better? Maybe not. After all, Sunday's win over the Browns wasn't without its migraine headaches, indigestion and lack of civil breakdown when it comes to the English language.
The 2009 Bengals are better than some of you are allowing: The last time the Bengals started the season 3-1: 2006.
They've only started 3-1 in the first four games of the season three times during the Marvin Lewis era (2005, 2006 and 2009) and four times since 1990.
It doesn't always go through Carson Palmer. It just ends there. Even though it doesn't always look great, it always ends with Carson Palmer. And though it might seem that the game isn't entirely decided by Palmer's play, the way he's coming through in the end is something that, at one point, was missing early in Palmer's career. He's not throwing for 300 yards just yet, but he is winning football games. That is, after all, the only way Paul Brown measured a quarterback. Wins and losses. Before the season, Palmer recorded a 32-33 starting record. In four games this year, he's 3-1, back over that career .500 hump. And two of those wins came when many Bengals fans had simply written the team off as suffering another aggravating loss. No. Not Palmer. Not the Bengals, who are far more mentally tough then their fans right now.
By my count, Carson Palmer has put the Cincinnati Bengals in a position to win every game this year. Against the Cleveland Browns, he didn't just pull through once. He did it twice. Palmer converted a third-and-14 with 5:40 left in regulation on a 16-yard pass to Chris Henry. After back-to-back rushes by Bernard Scott for 27 yards, Palmer completes a 27-yard pass over the middle to J.P. Foschi, who was completely forgotten about by the Browns defense. Palmer's two incomplete passes to Chad Ochocinco to Laveranues Coles puts the Bengals in a much comfortable position. Winning when the game is on the line. Palmer checks down to Brian Leonard on a two-yard pass on third-down and with 2:02 left in the game, the Browns (for some reason) call a timeout.
The situation is fourth-and-goal at the Browns two-yard line. Palmer looks left, pump fakes, rolls right, reverses to the left and then throws a dangerous pass, across his body, over the middle to Chad Ochocinco for the game-tying touchdown. The point after touchdown was blocked. Some blame Brad St. Louis for a poor snap -- it was to Kevin Huber's right -- but this is the second time it happened and in both instances, Graham still had a shot; he kicked the football low enough for the Browns to maul it without much of a vertical jump. I'm not blaming Graham. St. Louis has to make those snaps and it would seem to me that St. Louis' time in Cincinnati should end.
Regardless. Palmer engineered a 10-play drive for 70 yards to tie the game with under two minutes left in regulation, converting on third-and-14 and fourth-and-two. In overtime, the Bengals offense struggled. The defense didn't, forcing the Browns into three punts -- Derek Anderson had six incomplete passes in overtime. In fact, both teams punted three times before the Bengals fourth overtime possession began.
With 3:23 left in overtime, Carson Palmer completed a 20-yard pass to Chris Henry on third-and-ten. First down. Palmer completed a 20-yard pass to Laveranues Coles on third-and-ten. First down. The Bengals damn-near decided to punt the football with 1:04 left in overtime, playing for the tie. Palmer pleads to head coach Marvin Lewis to go for it on fourth down. Lewis relents. Palmer, in shotgun, briefly scans the field looking for an open receiver. He does what he always does; he rushes for 15 yards and picks up the first down. Palmer completed another pass to Leonard for nine yards and the running back rushed for another four yards. Brad St Louis finally made a good snap and Shayne Graham put some air under the field goal attempt to give the Bengals a 23-20 win in overtime with seconds remaining.
| Palmer's performance broken down by quarters | ||||||
| ATT | COMP | YARDS | TDS | INTS | RATING | |
| 1st | 12 | 10 | 111 | 1 | 0 | 133.0 |
| 2nd | 6 | 3 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 16.7 |
| 3rd | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 39.6 |
| 4th | 10 | 4 | 47 | 1 | 0 | 88.3 |
| OT | 15 | 6 | 63 | 0 | 0 | 52.9 |
It's true. Palmer struggled, badly, after the first quarter. However, what difference does any of that matter? The Bengals are 3-1, in large part, because Palmer is stepping up when it matters the most. Last week, Palmer engineered a 16-play, 71-yard drive, completing a four-yard touchdown pass to Andre Caldwell, beating heavily-favored Pittsburgh. Against the Packers, Palmer recorded three touchdown passes. Against the Broncos, Palmer led the offense on an 11-play drive for 91 yards which ended with a Cedric Benson touchdown with :38 seconds left in the game and a one-point lead. Whatever happened after that, I don't remember.
The Bengals didn't win pretty Sunday. But pretty is only good for things that are totally not manly. This isn't just Bengals football, this is gritty Ohio football where we do just enough to win football games. It might bite us in the end. But there's a lot of time until the end and this team can only grow with momentum, as well as confidence, with the more wins they put in their pocket.
Bengals Tight Ends are actually playing pretty well. When Training Camp started, we expected that the Bengals would start Reggie Kelly, Ben Utecht and Chase Coffman each week. Instead, after injury and disappointment, the Bengals activated Daniel Coats and J.P. Foschi. Through four games, they are on pace on combine for 52 receptions for 580 yards receiving. Against the Browns, Foschi and Coats combined for seven receptions for 80 yards receiving. Foschi caught a critical 27-yard pass from Palmer with 3:37 left in regulation, giving the Bengals a first-and-goal at Cleveland's four-yard line.
Think of it this way. Andre Caldwell and Chad Ochocinco are the only pass catchers to put up better numbers this year. That's not bad for a couple of tight ends we had written off before the season even started.
The rushing offense was good, again. But not dangerous. It might not seem like it, but the Bengals rushing offense was there. The only issue they dealt with was an offensive coordinator that, as per his reputation, went a bit pass happy. As a result, the rushing offense's lack of rhythm was a consequence of lacking consistency. In the second and third quarter, Benson rushed the ball four times for 14 yards rushing.
Here's something that might be of interest. The Bengals first two possessions went 11 plays. The first, 88 yards. The second, 68 yards. In the first drive, Benson rushed the football four times for 15 yards. It might not sound like much, but Benson saved Palmer, who penalized the team by watching the play-clock reach zero, by picking up nine yards (combined) on first-and-15 and second-and-ten. Palmer nailed Andre Caldwell to convert the first third-down of the game. The drive eventually stalled at the Browns five-yard line, forcing Shayne Graham to have his 23-yard field goal attempt blocked. The snap was high, but the ball was on the ground, properly held in place for at least a second while Graham made his approach. The high snap forced Graham to stutter-step on his approach, forcing the low kick.
On the second series of the game, the Bengals started going into happy-fun-passing mode, calling for passing plays on four of the next five plays -- the rushing down was an end around to Andre Caldwell for 11 yards. Bernard Scott got his first rush of the game when the Bengals lined up five wide receiver formation on fourth-and-three with 3:59 in the first quarter. Scott motioned behind Palmer and then took a pitch to the right, picking up ten yards and the first down. Scott picked up another two yards on the next play and Benson finished the team's rushing offense on a subsequent two-yard rush.
Jeremi Johnson and Bernard Scott picked up four yards on the next possession. Benson was called twice on the following series with five minutes left in the first half. Palmer threw an incomplete pass on third-and-two, which brings me to my final point. I never believed that the rushing offense under-performed. I think through the first four games this year, our rushing offense has been as strong since the peak of Rudi Johnson's career. Intermixing Bernard Scott into the gameplan was absolutely beautiful. However I never thought of the rushing offense as dangerous either.
Against Cleveland, the Bengals rushed for 154 yards on 30 plays for a 5.1 yard-per-rush average. They only lost yardage on one rush and picked up nine first downs; two less than passing first downs. This is the third straight game the Bengals offense rushed for over 100 yards as a team, averaging 4.4, 5.3 and 5.1 yards-per-rush respectively.
Sometimes the players have to play. The popular knock on Bob Bratkowski's play-calling is how he predictably calls run, run and pass. The Bengals went three-and-out in seven possessions. In four of those possessions, the Bengals went run, run, pass. I was about to laugh that off and move on to the next topic. Then I noticed something. When the Bengals did run, run, pass on three-and-out drives, it wasn't the two rushing plays that hurt the team. In fact, of those four possessions, the Bengals had an average of five yards to go on third down. On all four third downs (you know, the pass part?), Palmer threw an incomplete pass.
Furthermore, I only found five sequences in which the Bengals called rushing plays on first down and the subsequent second down. They picked up 31 yards in those instances, combined. That's 6.2 yards, per first-second down sequence when the offense rushes the football. When the Bengals are gaining that type of yardage on first and second down, the quarterback has to put an end to his struggles and complete the first down pass. In fact, when Palmer threw the football on third down, he only converted three into first downs.
Give Palmer credit. Taketh Palmer credit. I will give Palmer tons of credit for this team being 3-1. The defense probably deserves the bulk of the credit, keeping the Bengals in football games and playing tough as nails when they needed to so the offense can make their comeback. But Palmer has done his part, coming through when we've needed him to. As much as credit I'll give Palmer, I'll taketh away. The growing concern on Sunday was that this offense averaged 6.2 yards to-go on third down, which should be very manageable.
With 9:13 left in the second quarter, Palmer threw a third-and-six out to Chad Ochocinco. The throw was a bit early into Chad's route and the receiver couldn't catch up with the pass. Punt. With 3:39 left in the second, Palmer threw a pass a bit outside of Caldwell's range on third-and-two; though Caldwell did get his left hand on the football. Punt. On third-and-three with :36 left in the half, Palmer threw to Caldwell who ran a pattern a yard short of the first down; probably could give Caldwell some grief on the lack of depth on a third-down route. Punt. With 7:32 left in the third quarter, Palmer pump faked a pass, lost the grip, throwing it into the ground for an incomplete. Punt. With 14:12 left in the fourth quarter, Palmer floated a pass down the left sidelines to a wide open Chris Henry. Browns safety Pool slid over to nearly pick off the pass on third-and-seven. Punt. Palmer looked at Chad Ochocinco on third-and-eight but had his pass tipped by the defender following Brian Leonard on an underneath route. Punt. In most cases, Palmer wasn't pressured. Some were bad throws. Some were good defensive plays. Few were good plays.
However, Palmer did rebound. On third-and-14, Palmer completed a 16-yard pass to Henry and nailed Chad in the endzone for a game tying two-yard touchdown on fourth down. Thanks to a rushing offense in overtime that saw Cedric Benson rush for 36 yards on his first three carries did the Bengals get some semblance of momentum. That was, of course stopped when Carson Palmer threw two incomplete passes on third down and was sacked with 9:35 left in overtime. On the final drive, Palmer completed two 20-yard passes on third down and rushed for 15 yards on fourth-and-11 giving Shayne Graham an easy (nothing is easy on our kicking game) 31-yard field goal. Game over. Bengals win.
If it doesn't work on one side, go to the other side. I thought one of the more alarming trends on Sunday was the ability for the Browns rushing game to move effortlessly against the Bengals defense once the Browns discovered a weakness. For example, the Browns started hitting the left side of the line hard. In the first five rushing plays on Cleveland's left side, the Browns gained more than two yards rushing, once. Then Cleveland started attacking the right side. When the Browns ran outside the right tackle, they averaged 8.6 yards-per-rush, which included runs of 16 and 21 yards. Whey rushed inside the right tackle, they averaged 4.1 yards, including gains of six, eight, seven and 14. Their offense ran the football 12 times on the left side of the line and recorded 33 yards rushing -- a 2.75 yard-per-rush average. In other words, run to the right, big gains. Run to the left, not much there.
So what was going on? In a lot of cases, the Browns offensive line played very good. They also played smart, attacking both Domata Peko and Pat Sims with double teams. Our defensive ends struggled shedding off blocks against tight ends and fullbacks, while the double team on our tackles were often too much clutter for our linebackers to make unimpeded attacks towards the point of attack. Dhani Jones, who for some reason, was very slow in reaction. Rey Maualuga, while still aggressive as hell, guessed the wrong point of attack, leaving massive holes beside him. Keith Rivers was, well, he was somewhere I'm sure. When Chris Crocker came up to the line of scrimmage to give the Bengals defense eight-in-the-box, Crocker missed multiple tackles; some of which should have occurred in the backfield.
Massaquoi should be used in fantasy football league's when facing the Bengals. I thought that Browns rookie wide receiver Mohamed Massaquoi's day wasn't entirely a result of terrible coverage by the Bengals secondary. Browns quarterback Derek Anderson made throws that only Massaquoi could make. For example, on third-and-two with 2:00 left in the half, Derek Anderson floated a pass after a three-step drop down the right sidelines. With Leon Hall in Massaquoi's left hip, the pass was just long enough for the receiver to stretch out his hands and catch the reception. Outside a pass interference, there was nothing Hall could have done to prevent the catch. Sometimes you have to give credit to the quarterback and receiver for a great play.
There was really only one truly broken play on a Massaquoi reception. With 13:22 left in the second quarter, Derek Anderson threw a second-and-eight pass down the right sidelines to Massaquoi. Johnathan Joseph trailed the receiver a good five yards while Chinedum Ndukwe was another five yards away. If the play is a zone, then you have to wonder why Ndukwe was so late giving safety help. If the play is man, then, yikes. Massaquoi finished the days with an 18.5 yard-per-reception average on eight receptions. No other Browns receiver, tight end or running back recorded more than 37 yards receiving.
There are simply days when you have to give the opposition more credit than blaming your own team.
Are there really trends? So let's play a little game. Your job. Tell me exactly what you think of Bob Bratkowski. It's not enough that you use one sentence. You have to give me trends, predictability factors and results based on those trends and predictions. Furthermore, you have to disassociate simply bad play, like missed blocks, dropped passes, overthrown passes, slipping on the turf and great defensive plays. After you put all of that together, I want a decent sample size. Say, four seasons should suffice. Do those things, then give me your final analysis.
In the meantime, I'll break something down for you to get you started. Here are the averages of Bratkowski's trends one first downs and the subsequent second downs. Plays in which the Bengals picked up a first down on first down aren't included.
- There were 12 times that the Bengals called any combination of rush and pass on first and second down. They averaged 7.0 yards-per-play.
- There were five times that the Bengals called a rush one first down and a rush on the subsequent second down. They averaged 6.2 yards-per-play.
- There were six times that the Bengals called two passes on first down and the subsequent second down. They averaged 3.8 yards-per-play, which included two sequences where the offense picked up zero yards, and lost three yards because of a quarterback sack.
The following is a chart of the Bengals rushing offense's point of attack (we're missing four plays, but it's a good enough trend).
| Left End | LT | LG | Middle | RG | RT | Right End | |
| Plays | 12 | 18 | 13 | 8 | 17 | 15 | 23 |
| Avg. | 5.50 | 6.72 | 6.54 | 3.13 | 2.65 | 4.27 | 2.34 |
| Rank | 17 | 5 | 7 | 23 | 26 | 16 | 32 |
Notes:
- Carson Palmer threw 44 passes during the Bengals 23-20 win over the Cleveland Browns. The last time that Palmer threw 40 times or more during a Bengals win was during a 34-17 win over the Browns on September 17, 2006. That's a string of seven games straight losses when Palmer attempts 40 passes or more in a game. All-time, the Bengals are 3-8 when Palmer attempts forty passes.
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Palmer has recorded six touchdowns through the first four games. That's the second-lowest total through the first four games, excluding the 2008 season in which, as far as we can tell, actually didn't happen. The Bengals took off that year.Palmer through four games since 2004 TDs INTs 2009 6 5 2007 10 6 2006 6 4 2005 9 2 2004 3 7 - This is this the third time during the Marvin Lewis era that the Bengals defense didn't allow 30 points in any of the first four games. The others are 2005 and 2008 (zing!).
- In the past two weeks, the Bengals have only converted eight of 30 third-down chances for a 27% conversion. Both games the Bengals converted less than 30%. The last time that the Bengals converted less then 30% of their third downs in back-to-back games was last year against the Eagles (tie), Steelers (dominated) and Ravens (dominated). I looked back each season until 1990 and found no instances in which the Bengals offense converted less than 30% of their third downs in back-to-back games and won.
- The Bengals committed three personal fouls. Andrew Whitworth was called for unnecessary roughness (as well as two false starts). Kyries Hebert and Pat Sims were also called for personal fouls.
- The Bengals have scored defensive touchdowns in back-to-back games.
- Johnathan Joseph has recorded interceptions in back-to-back games.
Tweet of the Day. Andre Caldwell: "3-1 today wasn't pretty but it's a win.. My shoulder is banged but I will be ok.. I know we have all bengals fans nervous lol"
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I'd be happy if we can get someone who....
…..can get the f’n snap back to the holder on a FG/XP.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Oct 5, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great writeup Kirk and a good game. Just wondering — did you compose the stats on the Bengals rushing offense’s point of attack, or is there a stats website that provides that?
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Oct 5, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well based on your running point of attack stats (pretty cool)
I can infer that Bobbie Williams doesn’t run block very well right?
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by trotanoy on Oct 5, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I can explain with two phrases why the Browns ran well to "our" left side.
Roy Williams and Tank Johnson
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Oct 5, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Write Up!
Point 1: How hard is it to find a long snapper? Can’t be that tough. Cut him.
Point 2: I agree with trotanoy – who knew those two would be so sorely missed? I hope they’ll be back next year.
Point 3: Time to get the production we’ve been “promised” from our pro bowl QB and his slew of WRs for the entire game! That would be so nice.
I’ll take the win and stress over a loss, but it would sure be nice without the stress!!
by DUVols on Oct 5, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice write up
This might be my favorite post ever. Not only did you come through with the usual stuff, you counterpointed every ones complaints. Nice job.
by whodeyfans on Oct 5, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kirk was doing damage control.
You see, we’re leading the division, but everyone’s pissed off.
by jsl413 on Oct 5, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not everyone
I couldn’t be happier.
by whodeyfans on Oct 5, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks to St. Louis
i actually cheer when we hit extra points. they are no longer granted, they are earned.
by GrooveLeg on Oct 5, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One highly underrated point
I think the d has been telling teams, make your #2 receiver beat us. Look at the first 4 games, Marshall ineffective, Jennings holmes and Edwards shut out. They’re locking down the #1s and letting #2s beat them. and honestly I’ll take that trade off any day.
by brandone on Oct 5, 2009 2:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
excellent observation
Let’s take a look at these guys.
Receiver……………………..VS. Bengals………………………………….in 3 other games
Brandon Marshall……….4 catches, 27 yards, 0 TD’s………….12 catches, 192 yards, 2 TD’s
Santonio Holmes……….1 catch, 18 yards, 0 TD’s………………18 catches, 266 yards, 1 TD
Braylon Edwards………..0 catches………………………………………10 catches, 139 yards, 0 TD’s
Receiver……………………..VS. Bengals………………………………….in 2 other games
Greg Jennings……………0 catches………………………………………8 catches, 209 yards, 1 TD
So yeah, underrated point well taken Brandone. That’s been opposing defenses game plan against us for the past few years – eliminate Ochocinco. (Also why Houshmandzadeh is a 40millionaire)
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Oct 5, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that's great but rookie WR's are having field days...don't like that
Wallace and Massaquoi had field days.
Leon Hall and JJ are looking more like 3rd rounders instead of living up to their 1st round potential.
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by trotanoy on Oct 5, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you missed the point. When teams can’t find their playmakers, they settle for lesser results. Did Wallace or Massaquoi have TD’s??? 6 times, the Bengals defense has come up huge in the RedZone in division play thus far. The Bengals forced opposition to settle for fieldgoals on four occasions, and forced 2 turnovers.
Yards are great, but points win games. The D is, by Bengal standards, remarkable. They’re making teams settle for 3’s instead of 6’s.
If by lots of yards and no TD’s you meant “field day”, we’re seriously struggling to find things to complain about in terms of our D. Therefore i’m gonna have to disagree with the “Leon and JJ are looking like 3rd rounders” comment. Not to mention the fact that they’re responsible for the 2 defensive TD’s.
We’re not the ‘85 Bears. We’re – Bend don’t break. Not Dead, Can’t Quit. The Defense is the only reason we’ve been able to hang in these games with a chance to win.
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Oct 5, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who said anything about our D sucking?
Im the one who predicted our D would be a lock to be top 10 this year, and so far, their on track. You had nothing to refute my argument that Hall and Joseph are not playing up to par. Massaquoi had almost 150 yards on his own and Wallace had over 100 yards. For both, the only 100 + yard games so far. Wallace and Massaquoi outran JJ like taking candy from a baby. When has Hall been able to cover a premier wide receiver 1 on 1 without any safety help, 10% of the times? I don’t like them one bit. We need to draft better corners than these “1st rounders.”
Let me make it clear, we haven’t played this good on defense since I can remember. Everything on D is amazing, line backing core, safeties, D line…..except, our corners are just ok, mediocre at best. It shouldn’t be a problem though. Just quit saying our corners are soooo amazing. And I don’t mean you in particular, I mean anybody who thinks we have pro bowl corners on our team.
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by trotanoy on Oct 5, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But your point isn't really valid
How many corners typically shut down premier receivers without safety help. That’s part of the NFL and the main reason why they’re premier receivers. Why do you think #1 receivers still usually get 100 yards and a td every game. They’re not lockdown corners yet, but they’re pretty good. Name 5 cb tandems that are better.
by brandone on Oct 6, 2009 9:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It looks like we are putting Hall against the #1 receiver, and giving him safety help, and leaving J Jo on an island with the number 2.
I think this is a popular defensive strategy. Put your best corner on the #2 receiver, and double team the #1.
The Hall combo is working out great, I wish Joseph would play a little better. He’s gotten beat deep twice, this week my Massaquoui and last week by Wallace on Go routes down the sideline.
Hopefully, it’s his injured foot slowing him down, and he is getting healthier. If J Jo can shut these guys down, the defense goes to another level.
But, at least he is making the other team pay by making interceptions when his coverage is good.
by R.F. Mehl on Oct 5, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Crocker
For me the 2nd most frustrating aspect of the Bengals (Brad St. Louis being #1) is the play of Chris Crocker. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong but through the first four games has he done anything positive. He appears to be all over the place, just occupying space and not accomplishing anything.
All he seems to care about is hitting an opponent as hard as he possibly can. Actually making the tackle is secondary. It looked like he had around a dozen missed tackles yesterday.
Also, during Derek Anderson’s TD run he was completely lost and his lack of awareness allowed Anderson to walk into the endzone. It was quite pathetic IMO.
The defense as a whole has been fantastic, but the one glaring disappointment is Chris Crocker.
by BigJilm815 on Oct 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just because he's not showing up on the stat sheet.....
they’ve been using him quite a bit to takeaway big play wideouts, as Brandone alluded to right above your post. Keep in mind, the last time Anderson rolled out down near the goalline he threw it right over their heads to hit the TE in back of the endzone. Can’t blame Crocker for trying to get back and cover an open receiver can we???? It’s easy to point to the rushing TD, but had Anderson thrown it right over his head to a wide open TE/WR, would you ask “where was he in coverage?” He can’t be everywhere.
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Oct 5, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there should be
a LB covering the TE or visa versa!!! You need only to do your job not somebody elses.
by WHYUS!! on Oct 5, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The D was confused as a whole on that play, I don't think it was Crocker's fault.
Crocker is decent, but you’re right, sometimes he seems out of place and doesn’t tackle that well.
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by trotanoy on Oct 5, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of the readpm
Is that crocker is playing nickel corner and he shouldn’t be. He’s a good safety, but not a nickel corner. I bet we see more of him when david jones comes back and he can focus on being a safety.
by brandone on Oct 5, 2009 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Part of the reason
Is that crocker is playing nickel corner and he shouldn’t be. He’s a good safety, but not a nickel corner. I bet we see more of him when david jones comes back and he can focus on being a safety.
by brandone on Oct 5, 2009 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice Kirk
I luv your style.
Of course I also like Peter Kings’ writing….not the man….so maybe it isn’t THAT much of a compliment!
And on the Bengals….I think Brat needs to go. We can all predict his plays…..eight times out of ten I bet. So opposing teams are having a field day on that. They need to change the tempo, get the offense in a rythym, and let the God of the Golden Arm ride this chariot and pursue plays that are effective and well timed.
I also think if we could get Andre Smithburger into the line, we will play better.
And for gods sake, hold tryouts for a long snapper….or just start going for two.
by Sloppygolf on Oct 5, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go for two?
Who will be calling that play? Brat, that’s who!!! I bet we go for two and the D snuffs us out. They can read Brats mind. It’s called telepathy, The other teams and us have it too. We all have the power to read his mind. I know how to change this!! Put Brat in a LEAD BOX, then we can’t use are telepathy powers to read his mind!!!!
by WHYUS!! on Oct 5, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally, someone understands!
Loved the post Kirk, great job.
And I’m also so happy someone finally points out that Bob Bratkowski is NOT the problem. Every time a play seems to be stopped for little or no yardage I have to hear someone yell about Bob Bratkowski, it is not his job to run plays as well as call them.
There are only so many combinations of runs and passes you can call in a series of 3 downs, so those arguments of “Brat always calls run-run-pass” are pretty much nullified.
and yes, brad st. louis is blowing, hopefully we can find a long snapper, that four points we missed out on absolutely killed us.
by dcombs on Oct 5, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree!!
It’s not always Brat’s fault, that they know what play is being called or what audible is being called. Yea, wrong!!!!! I know when a play is called, Carson has the option to call an audible. He is told which play to change to according to how the D is set up. He has to listen to Brat. Usually when Carson has success, it’s when they are in the no huddle. As i seen the analysts say on NFL Primetime, Just today!!! Carson is better when he is in the no huddle O, calling his own audibles. It shows every time he comes back to win the game. You know who else does this? Payton Manning, that’s who. Payton is left alone to run HIS OFFENSE. All Payton does is receive the first play each time. If you don’t believe this, then every analyst does not know what they are talking about!!!!!
by WHYUS!! on Oct 5, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Played not to lose in OT
4th & 15 from Cle 40 with 1:04 & punt entered Marv’s head??? Both teams were playing not to lose in overtime. Hoping the other team would screw up first. The defense saved this game & special teams almost gave it away. Palmer had to few pass attempts in regulation, Bengals need more invitation in play calling on offense, they really appear stale. Nice to see Palmer really emerging as a team leader, his 2 minute game is spot on. I got beat down a little before the Steeler game for insinuating the Bengals needed a little swagger. Teams with a little swagger play to win. Just can’t wait to see the offense breakout, when they do they will smoke their schedule with this defense.
by Vman in Germany on Oct 5, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Recap!
I look forward to reading your breakdowns from each game. What’s Palmer’s stats in the last drives (game winning or tying) of the past four games?
by whodeyla on Oct 5, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bratkowski can't be replaced until after the season
and even then there will be some serious growing pains with a new system.
I think the offense is fine as a whole but game planning and play calling seem stale. Granted if players are not playing well (dropped balls, penalties, missed blocks etc..) any play call is going to look bad.
Does anyone (Bengals coaches included) not see how well our offense plays in a hurry-up format? I’m not even saying no-huddle (although I would like to see it played in non emergent situations) but get to the line ,let Carson read the defense, then call a play.
The Bengals O looked good their first two series throwing the ball on first down. Then they threw an ill conceived bomb to Coles and the conservatism/lack of urgency/lack of emotion/lack of concentration or what ever you want to call the offense set in.
It wasn’t until they "had to score or lose the game that they played with urgency and emotion.
by featherman on Oct 5, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is Brat for you!!!!
NO urgency until!!!!!! We need to play with urgency, get a big lead, then play conservatively. Just like the San Diego game. WE have a better D now!!!! So coming back to win the game, for the other team, will be much harder than it was.
by WHYUS!! on Oct 5, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Long way to go
3-1 is undoubtedly nice, and I find it hard to complain, BUT…in the next 6 weeks we’ve got Baltimore twice, Pittsburgh on the road, Chicago and Houston, plus a bye. Houston should be a win even if we play like we have been, but those other four could be a real problem if we can’t figure out how to bring it for 60 minutes.
I love being 3-1, but my eyes tell me there’s a good chance we’ll be 4-5 coming out of that stretch if they don’t get more than a few things cleaned up.
by Galaxy CDS on Oct 5, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chicago’s defense is almost as inconsistent as our offense, they gave up 24 points to Detroit before Stafford was taken out of the game. The second Baltimore game is in Cincy right after our bye week and I think we have a good shot there. Houston should be a win and while the Steelers did win last night, once again they started giving it up in the 4th and it became a 7 point game after being a 28 to 0 nothing game. They still can’t finish games either and our defense probably wouldn’t let Pittsburgh take a 28 point lead.
After those games, we have Oak, Cle, Det, SD, Min, KC and NYJ. 4 of those a very winnable and honestly, I feel pretty good about the Chargers game. Favre could theoretically be running on empty by that time and the Jets may not be fighting for anything by week 16 where as we might be fighting for everything.
Even if we lose next week, 3-2 isn’t looking too bad imo.
by Chomp Chomp on Oct 5, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
If we can go to B’more and play well and still not get the W I could live with that. And I think 5-2 down the closing stretch of games that you mention is very manageable even if we play as inconsistently as we have so far. And with that even if you do end up staring at 4-5 we can get to 9-7 and have an outside shot at the playoffs.
If they can put together 60 minutes of football a couple of times during this upcoming stretch of games there are winnable games there for sure as well. And really to be a legit playoff contender we’re gonna have to win a couple of them. Beat Houston like you should, and take care of Chicago and Baltimore at home and you’re looking pretty good.
The team that played the first 15 minutes yesterday can get it done. The team that played the next 35 minutes or so is going to have some trouble.
by Galaxy CDS on Oct 5, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else a little concerned that Benson is taking so many carries (86% of the team’s carries if I’m remembering the graphic CBS showed during the game)? Whatever the % is — it was tops in the NFL per team. I thought we had some solid depth at RB, so why not show some other looks? I liked what I saw of Bernard Scott against Cleveland but would’ve liked to see him get a few carries in the first half.
Also a little surprised of where Carson is targeting Henry. I recall seeing him work the middle of the field more during the previous years, but now it seems he’s only ever targeted along the sideline. Maybe it’s his supposed injury, but I’m not loving the routes he’s running.
by kmo on Oct 5, 2009 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bob Bratkowski doesn't get it
From the Enquirer:
"We didn’t do a good job of converting third downs until the end of the game," offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski said. "There were too many little things and other small things (WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?) where the defense sets you back. On first and second down we were pretty good."
Excuse me??? We were good on 1st and 2nd down for the first 15 and last 6 minutes of regulation. Don’t give me that…
by Yaccub Fleishcman on Oct 5, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When Carson is allowed to run the no huddle the offense looks smooth, quick, and the players respond well by making the big plays. I understand the run sets up the pass and Brat has this team focused on the running attack but at some point you have to be able to be honest while watching video and play to the teams strengths. Get the offense in a groove, wear down the opposing team by keeping their defense from subbing, and let Carson pick the defense apart all the way down the field. The key to our running game and a defense that creates turnovers is to play with a lead. The problem for our offense has been getting there.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Oct 6, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Offense Needs List
Get Leonard and Scott more involved.
Use the No Huddle for several series, espicially the first or second series of the first half. That can take away the defense’s ability to change packages. I’d love to see the Ravens with their run D package in place on third down to get some better matchups for our WR corps.
Carson: Start playing every series like it’s the last 6 minutes of the game. Get the team to step up earlier.
by UpStateMike on Oct 6, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why are our WRs having a hard time getting open?
When I watched the game on TV Sunday I saw numerous times where the Browns WR was the only guy on the screen. When I see our guys there are 2-3 D players in their hip pockets. Chad is not getting separation and neither are the other guys. Especially Coles. Many times Carson had 5-6 seconds to throw the ball and had to dump it off or throw into coverage. If the opp. D is loading the backfield there should be more running room for Benson and that doesn’t seem to be the case either. According to Chad this WR corps is the fastest ever. I just don’t see it. This is the most disapointing aspect of our play this year so far to me. We, on paper, should have had 3-5 30 yard or more passes. Where are they? Until we complete a few of them the opp. D will not respect it and Benson will have to gain tougher yards than he should have to and it is going to wear him down. BTW Leonard is a real steady player. He does what he is asked to do every time. If everyone was as dependable as he is we would be a better team.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
by JUNGLEJOHN on Oct 6, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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