Carson Palmer is 6-3 when starting against Baltimore Ravens
It never stops at Cincy Jungle. We're a train. We chug. We cho-cho. It's an effort to get you, the reader, from doing what really matters. You know, like working. What's better than working? Reading and talking on Cincy Jungle, of course. Now we're through with the Cleveland Browns, we can hit the final stretch of our three-game intra-division gauntlet. So far, we've passed (barely). Now, the Bengals take on a team that I've considered to be the best in the NFL. Then again, I made that conclusion while the Ravens were pounding the Browns into submission.
We'll be talking to Baltimore Beatdown once the week unfolds. I did read this piece from Ravens Examiner Tony Wisniewski, who writes that the Ravens don't have anything close to the defense they've had. Especially this bit:
3. The Ravens' secondary is not as good without Jim Leonhard. Ed Reed can't roam free to make plays, simply because Dawan Landry is a liability in pass coverage.
4. Dominique Foxworth is not a shutdown corner. And, it's quite possible that the Ravens over-paid him. But more importantly, new defensive coordinator Greg Mattison has to do a better job working with the personnel that he has. To leave Foxworth in single-coverage against Randy Moss is an amateur move that even experienced Madden players wouldn't do.
5. According to many major media outlets, via the power rankings, the Ravens entered New England as the top-ranked team in the NFL. Today, they have dropped to somewhere in the range of fourth-seventh. The media assumed that the Ravens still boasted an elite defense to go along with all-of-a-sudden potent offense. But that's an oversight by the realm of national media. Most analysts do not watch the Ravens week in an week out. The truth is, the Ravens defense is outstanding against the run, but awful against the pass. Partly because of the secondary, partly because of bad play-calls, mostly because of the lack of pass-rush from the defensive line.
While the Ravens have looked pretty good this year, I admit, that I'm feeling a little more comfortable playing the Ravens than I did the Steelers two weeks ago. And I don't know why. The Bengals have always seemed to match up well against the Ravens, especially Carson Palmer.
| Game | Date | Loc. | Comp | Att | Yards | TDs | Int | |
| 9 | L, 10-17 | 9/7/08 | Away | 9 | 24 | 94 | 0 | 1 |
| 8 | W, 21-7 | 11/11/07 | Away | 23 | 34 | 271 | 0 | 0 |
| 7 | W, 27-20 | 9/10/07 | Home | 20 | 32 | 194 | 2 | 0 |
| 6 | W, 13-7 | 11/30/06 | Home | 21 | 32 | 234 | 1 | 0 |
| 5 | L, 20-26 | 11/5/06 | Away | 12 | 26 | 194 | 1 | 2 |
| 4 | W, 42-29 | 11/27/05 | Home | 22 | 30 | 302 | 3 | 1 |
| 3 | W, 21-9 | 11/6/05 | Away | 19 | 26 | 248 | 2 | 0 |
| 2 | W, 27-26 | 12/5/04 | Away | 29 | 36 | 382 | 3 | 1 |
| 1 | W, 9-23 | 9/26/04 | Home | 25 | 52 | 316 | 0 | 3 |
| 180 | 292 | 2,235 | 12 | 8 |
So how do you guys feel about the Bengals heading into the game against Baltimore? Good? Terrified? Confident? Freaking out?
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Im liking our chances
If Bob can look way down at the bottom of his 3rd (and final) page of the playbook.
Bengals 27-24
(Thats figuring we will score 4 times, and kick a FG from the 3 yd line, maybe.)
Nah.
24 all.
by jsilveira66 on Oct 6, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's a lot riding on this game
Top of the AFC North wth a win against each team would almost secure a playoff bert if we can also be 10-6 at the end of the season. So yeah, excited. Nervous. Giddy.
Carson’s Crazy Carnival has cleared the Clowns out of the Center Ring and they are now loading Ced into the Human Cannon.
by UpStateMike on Oct 6, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With so many good AFC teams
something tells me that a 10-6 record is no promise of a playoff berth, even a Wild Card. NE, NYJ, Indy, Denver, SD, Pitt, Cincy and my Ravens will all be there at the end and only the four division winners plus two more Wild Cards get in from this bunch. That’s going to be a tough nut to crack.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baltimore is Beatable
That’s my saying for the week, “Baltimore is Beatable”
I want to see the Bengals establish the running game from the start. For me personally, nothing would set the tone for the Bengals like a Cedric Benson downhill 10-15 yard on the Bengals first possession.
When Benson runs well, you just get that feeling (Green Bay).
by Who-Dey on Oct 6, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love
to be optimistic, but when you got a MLB like Ray Lewis on defense, it’s going to be really hard to establish some kind of great running game. BUT, if we do get a running game started early, and dont give up on it, the game will be ours. KEEP OUR OFFENSE ON THE FIELD!
by whodeysean on Oct 6, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that
the Bengals can and will win. It’s just that hunch, that I usually get when it gets this time of the week. We do usually do good against the Ravens, but after each of the games that we win, we usually come out with a lot of injuries.(not to jinx the team) If you look at past history, this seems to be what happens. The injury bug creeps up. Hey Kirk is there any way that you can find out about what players got hurt after playing the Ravens, in the past, then post it. That would be an interesting thing to know!
by WHYUS!! on Oct 6, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Winning on the road in the NFL is real tough
You guys did well in Green Bay, but this is different.Division game in our crib will be a tough task to overcome, much less a very angry Ravens team after last week’s loss to NE.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Oct 7, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cautious
I have to say that it’s Carson that worries me here. I agree that the Ravens secondary is beatable, but we really haven’t seen CP unleash the long-ball much this year. Even the intermediate passes of 25 yards or so are few and far between. It’s been a lot of screens (which, by the way, have been working unusually well for the Bengals) and other dink-and-dunk kind of stuff in the passing game. I fear that if we stick too much to our run-the-ball mantra, and don’t open it up enough on offense, that we may struggle to get first downs.
Anybody else mildly concerned with our passing offense? Even though he had two TD’s on Sunday, Chad only had three catches for like 25 yards. All of the sideline routes we used to live on don’t seem to be connecting.
by McWad on Oct 6, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re:Cautious
I agree that out passing game has not looked stellar, but it’s all about keeping the defense honest. Make them bring their secondary up and throw the bomb to Chad or Chris. But you’re right, we haven’t thrown as many deep balls as seasons past, but I am not worried that we can’t. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. We are wining ball games with out current “run the ball” mantra and I don’t think that will stop until we start to lose with it.
by whodeysean on Oct 6, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you ever think
that this is a diversion to set the Black Canaries up? I think we might just air it out in the no huddle O. Wouldn’t that be great!!!! Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!!!! I hope that that is what they are waiting for. It’s just a hunch.
by WHYUS!! on Oct 6, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would certainly be entertaining.
It also would have a real chance
by steelerstyle on Oct 7, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want to say
that i’m worried about carson’s arm. i haven’t even really see him overthrow anyone. I don’t know how he threw that INT on the henry go route on sunday. it was well underthrown and i wonder if he has the arm strength to throw it deep anymore.
by brandone on Oct 6, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was one overthrow on Sunday this past week.
He overthrew Coles streaking down the right sideline. I don’t know…third or fourth quarter.
by A Pragmatic Bengals Fan on Oct 7, 2009 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from what i’ve seen, defenses have been lining up against us with the express intention that they’re not going to let anything get over the top against them (i’ve been surprised by the depth of safeties on opposing defenses this season). the only way to stop this and open up the deep ball is to be more effective in the short/intermediate game, but i just don’t think bratkowski knows how to do that.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
by Raging Clue on Oct 6, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is where we miss TJ the most
those underneath rutes for first downs
by jim0ijk on Oct 6, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TJ's size
would give our DB’s fits but Coles is decent but no TJ and doesn’t present the difficult matchup that the bigger wideouts have done so far.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Oct 7, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
coles really hasn’t provided a matchup for anyone, since he shows a propensity for dropping passes. caldwell is the real replacement for tj in the offense.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
by Raging Clue on Oct 7, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Coles, Lavernaeus Coles, Please Report to the Football Field and Earn your Paycheck"
I’m fine with a 5 WR set here and there to stretch the field. Literally what the Packers did in 06 and 07 w/ Favre playing w/ a bunch of no-names and Donald Driver. It worked in light doses, like a play or two in a 10-15 play drive. Against the Ravens, who do they mark up in that scenario w/ 2 guys? Probably Chad. But what about Henry streaking? Chances are, they’d go into a zone, and if so, while Carson doesn’t have the arm he had, he does still have pinpoint precision when he has time to throw.
The run game needs to be balanced more like 18 for benson and 12 or more going to leonard and scott across the 4 qtrs. Scott was brought on too early.
And btw – my gosh, if the TEs are gonna catch it and run with it, then why not keep doing it. But while you’re at it, we have the best receiving TE in college history RIDING THE BENCH… put him in for a pass or two as well.
by Yaccub Fleishcman on Oct 6, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's all going to come down to conditioning in the 4th qtr in one of the most hostile environments in the NFL. IF we are real, we will pull it out in the 4th, and it will be thru both the air and on the ground.
My prediction is we tie, 23-23
by Yaccub Fleishcman on Oct 6, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ravens top Special Teams Player out for the year w/ injury
LB is a big loss for the game against CIncy, in addition to Gaither. This guy got injured during game against the Pats. Was 2nd on the team w/ 22 tackles.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/3940/ayanbadejo-out-for-the-year
by Yaccub Fleishcman on Oct 6, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, those things hurt
but our rookie, Michael Oher is just as good if not better than Gaither and moves over to the LT slot. The key is can our other RT, Marshall Yanda, keep the right side clear? Ayanbadejo was a big loss on Special Teams but we will be fine there.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Oct 7, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finding a way
The team seems to find a way. Find a way to win. Find a way to go to sleep. We can’t have as many 3 and out series against Baltimore as we did against Cleveland.
by StLBengal on Oct 6, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am a little worried about baltimore but i think they will win i just hope they do not cause me to have a heart attack with another last second come from behind to close for comfort win. Hopefuly they can jump ahead with some points and stay ahead.
by Robert H on Oct 6, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We were a little concerned about Cincy
but when we saw you go to OT against Cleveland, we sort of lost a little respect. Cleveland!?
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Oct 7, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palmer is a major concern
Brother had all day to throw against the Clowns and still looked awful. There are more than a few teams in the NFL that won’t allow you to get away with a 0 yard first quarter or 6 or 7 three and outs in a row. I really can’t get on board until Carson remembers he’s not Ryan Fitzpatrick and Bratkowksi finally out-schemes someone. It’s a shame that once we fix one part of the machine another breaks down, because I’m really digging the play we’ve gotten from the line. Christ…who expected Chris Henry and Coles would be good for 1 catch a piece? Passing game=worse than Palmer’s rookie year=how the hell does that happen?=not cool, dude.
by bodacio on Oct 6, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ray lewis
when the hell is he going to get old?
by nadfflictar on Oct 6, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I for one
am hoping that it happens on friday
by jim0ijk on Oct 6, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis wah wah wahhhh
You see his post-game comments about the Brady penalty? Cry me a river, Ray.
by WhoDeyDerek on Oct 6, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nailed it!
Your assessment of the Ravens defense is right on the money! Being a die-hard Ravens fan I have noticed the same thing about our defense all year long. The secondary is definitely a liability and we don’t have Rex Ryan protecting our secondary with his great schemes (like he did last year). There is no way Benson does anything against our defense but with receivers like Ochocinco and Henry at his disposal Palmer will definitely exploit our secondary, especially Foxworth. What seemed like two cakewalks a month ago to us now look like battles! Even an 80% healthy Palmer is more dangerous than 90% of the QB’s in the league. Looking forward to a great game and I hope the Ravens are good enough to pull one out against a surprisingly good Bengals team! Good luck Cinci and may the best team win!!!
by Raven Ray on Oct 6, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You too Ray.
It’s going to be a battle this Sunday.
by UpStateMike on Oct 7, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am worried
This Ravens team could very well be the best overall Ravens team we have faced since Carson has been here. Yea, their secondary is suspect but so was the Browns. Carson had time and space and still couldn’t stretch the field in Cleveland. He will not have that luxury in Baltimore. Their D is not what it was but it is still one of the best in the NFL.
But that is not what I am worried about. Their O is also one of the best. Flacco is for real and their Oline is doing a pretty good if not stellar job of protecting him and their running game is also pretty good. DA had his way with us between the 20s and Flacco is better as are his WRs.
All of that being said I really don’t know how good the Bengals are. I keep waiting for that offense to explode and it just isn’t happening. If we could revive the 05 or even the 06 or 07 offense we have a real chance and I guess it is possible as we have the talent. We are not going to put up a hundred yards on the ground against the Raven’s D and the long passes will have a hard time developing because Baltimore will not give Palmer the same time in the pocket he has had. The one thing we have going for us is that we have found a way to win without the big time plays. WE have the grit to win but the skilled positions need to step up. The WRs need to be able to run the short and intermediate routes and secure the ball. I predict at least one interception in the flat by them.
Guys I am an optimist and I am hopeful for a win but realistically I don’t see a win here. Maybe next time when we have a few of the kinks worked out and the Oline continues to gel. I am pleased with the situation so far though. A split in the division was an optimistic position at the start of the season but is a very realistic possibility now. Still, I think they take this one and we take the next one. I see a 27-17 Ravens win. Nobody wants me to be wrong more than me.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
by JUNGLEJOHN on Oct 7, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said JJ
This is a Ravens offense you have not seen from Baltimore. Flacco is a top five QB this year!? What the heck sounds wrong about that! We pass more than we run, 47 to 17 last week? WTF? Anyway, better plan on airing it out big time to keep up w/ us. Then perhaps you can unleash the guys I love on your Defense (Rivers, Rey Rey) on us.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Oct 7, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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