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Houshmandzadeh's departure might have been the best off-season move; Carson Palmer for comeback player of the year; Bengals overrated?

Reader WhoDeyDerek brought up the point in the comments of Jake's Links and Notes, saying that with T.J. Houshmandzadeh's departure, "a negative presence is gone" (that's right Derek, I'll make you famous). I think there's truth to that. A lot of it. When Houshmandzadeh was in Cincinnati, a lockerroom distraction was always sensed. How would I know? Well, I really don't. Just that after he left, we suddenly now have this mature group on our hands that looks much more positive. There's also this December post in 2007 which says, "A league source tells us that there is growing animosity in the Bengals locker room toward receivers Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Per the source, both are yelling 'all the time' at quarterback Carson Palmer" and even concluded that the "two receivers are trying to 'run the team.'" Houshmandzadeh then goes on to talk trash with the Chicago Bears general manager Jerry Angelo. That personality isn't in the lockerroom so you have to believe that the growth this team has showed was the result of a subtraction of one it's most negative players.

I'm not here to rip on Houshmandzadeh, who feels more at home in Seattle not having poor-ass people in Cincinnati beg for autographs. Good for him. I'm happy for him and his 1-3 Seattle Seahawks. However, I think there's far more truth in that Houshmandzadeh's departure opened up this belief that the team lost a negative influence that constantly chipped away whatever positive frame of mind they had. You can almost see that in the squad already. There's a team-like attitude that's so strong it's making us take a double-take, making sure that this is our Cincinnati Bengals.

Moving on, swan.

Star-divide

The one thing I haven't understood about ESPN's blogs, is that they're still so disassociated with the core of bloggers out there, that they put their crucifix on their doors before going to bed at nights. Not that its advisable that you should take ESPN's blogs as a template of how to write. When you become strictly an informative blog, you're kind of not a blog. You're more like a self-imposed Wiki; or a team page with shorted posts. Blogs tend to be more opinionated -- they are, for the most part, a diary. And if you really believe in the era of blogging, then you have to not just acknowledge blogs for their related tabled discussions, but, you know, support them. ESPN's blogs aren't the only ones that fail to achieve some full-fledged heart and soul to gain passage into the blogging universe. A lot of people do. And it ticks me off. In this case, I don't blame James Walker. I think this is an ESPN thing. Why point out to the universe that we, or another credible and hard working blog exists, when you can monopolize the entire genre. Sorry. When I started this sentence, it actually started with the the next paragraph. That's the world of a Kirkentangent.

Fox Sports' Alex Marvez names Carson Palmer the comeback player of the year through the first quarter of the season.

Comeback player: Cincinnati QB Carson Palmer.

Yes, Brady grabs the headlines and is a worthy choice coming off a serious knee injury. But Palmer has also been impressive after missing 12 games last season with a damaged elbow. Palmer led game-winning scoring drives the past two weeks against Pittsburgh and Cleveland for a team that would be 4-0 if not for a fluke opening loss to Denver. Palmer's play is going a long way in breaking the culture of losing that has enveloped the Bengals since the early 1990s.

Marvez also names Chad Ochocinco as one of five players we shouldn't have doubted. We never doubted him, did we, Tim?

Tank Johnson has plantar fasciitis in his foot. That's the same injury Rashad Jeanty dealt with last year and the one that Eli Manning is dealing with too.

The News Record's Peter Marx thinks that the Bengals are overrated and not very good; claims that the Broncos aren't very good either and that's why they're 4-0.

Paul Daugherty, on Sports Illustrated, talks about Chad's newest book. You get the feeling that Daugherty and Chad's relationship hasn't really been on good terms for a while now.

I like to think I watch the games and understand what's going on. But WDR sees things that I'm not, which is good -- an extra set of eyes always makes us more informed. However, I didn't get Tom Nelson being bulleted as the third "good thing". Nelson has been inactive in the first three games and played against the Browns thanks to Roy Williams' forearm injury. Nelson did record a special teams tackle when he ran Jerome Harrison out of bounds with under two minutes left in the game.

Make sure you vote for Chad Ochocinco's (kinda) one-handed touchdown reception against the Cleveland Browns for this weeks Sprint's Can't-Miss Plays.

The Cleveland Browns trading away Braylon Edwards hurts the Bengals. Now they're going to have a receiver that can actually catch the football.

With the Bengals playing the Baltimore Ravens this weekend, that means we'll see former Bengals wide receiver Kelley Washington. And that means we fire up the old Squirrel Dance!

A reader sent this photo of the Baltimore Ravens. Terrell Suggs is such a beautiful swan, isn't he?

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sour grapes

when you lose something you wanted to keep, you tend to rationalize the importance or lack thereof concerning what you lost.

i won’t drink the kool-aid. TJ helped the bengals. we’re a better team with him than without him. caldwell continues to play like he has for another 5 years or more, then i’ll change my mind.

locker room cancer: carl pickens, corey dillon, harold green, etc. not TJ.

housh has been running his mouth a little this year because of hurt feelings. he didnt want to end up in seattle, that much is apparent. he over-estimated his free agent value. wanting to be paid like a number 1 wr comes with a price, typically you take the team paying the most, not the team you want to play for the most.

by palewook on Oct 8, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we wont see the squirel dance

because hopefully he wont score

"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"

by firstPick on Oct 8, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes! I'm famous!

While I’m glad that TJ is gone, I still have to give him props for all the good things he did while in Cinci. I really think he’s one of the best possession receivers in the league. I also sincerely believe he was a bad locker room presence. You can dog Coles all you want for drops, but we know without a doubt he is a good locker room guy. He can help guys like Caldwell, Henry, and Simpson along. That’s what we need in a veteran WR right now.

TJ put up big numbers in Cincy and we’re thankful for that (even though it got us nowhere it was still fun to watch.) But could he have put up the same numbers with #1 WR Ocho Cinco out? Would he have put up the same numbers if he were being double covered every play? From what we’ve seen him do at the Seattle Seahawks it would appear the answer would be no.

P.S.- Thanks for the shoutout Kirkendall!

by WhoDeyDerek on Oct 8, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“You can dog Coles all you want for drops”

Laveranues Colds! Laveranues Colds! Laveranues Colds! =)

“But could he have put up the same numbers with #1 WR Ocho Cinco out?”

look at his 2008 stats. chad took much of 2008 off, so you can get a decent idea of what palmer could do with TJ minus chad.

“From what we’ve seen him do at the Seattle Seahawks it would appear the answer would be no.”

seattle system and lack of palmer are hurting him. Hasselbeck has produced three 1000 yard receivers in his entire career.

by palewook on Oct 8, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets not forget

He was also the Bengals Rep for the players Assn while he was here, and that probably crept into the locker room, especially when he was not happy with management and how they were treating him, so yeah. A distraction gone, but you can not deny the guy played some great ball as #2 here, and last year clearly played much better than our supposed #1 WR.

by UpStateMike on Oct 8, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“look at his 2008 stats. chad took much of 2008 off, so you can get a decent idea of what palmer could do with TJ minus chad.”

Palmer was out for most of 2008 so I never really got an idea of what he could do without Chad since Chad was in for the whole season…

I’m not saying TJ didn’t produce well while he was here. Not saying that at all. He was a great possession receiver. He was great for our offense. We do miss him in that way. What I don’t miss is his attitude. The locker room doesn’t miss it either, I’m sure. Look at how the team has changed in just one year. Even in Hard Knocks it seemed like you could tell a big difference in the attitude of the team. That’s what happens when you take out the negative energy stemming from TJ and Levi Jones. Let’s just hope that Coles can start catching some balls and the progress of Caldwell continues.

by WhoDeyDerek on Oct 8, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh and Kelly Washington...

Remember when he came to Cinci and posted “the Future” on his locker? If only he were as good as he thought he was…

by WhoDeyDerek on Oct 8, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Housh was a very good wr for our Bengals

I think he did do his best to help younger recievers (Caldwell, Henry, Kevin Walters among others who have acknowleged his help) that have been here. Marvin and Palmer pointed out last year that TJ was important to help the less experienced recievers get to be where they needed to be on he field after Palmer was hurt.

It’s true that TJ has been running his mouth off in an unflattering way since his departure but most of his comments have been against Bengal Management (eg MB). His lone statement about Cincinnati fans is a bit puzzling and it makes me want to rename him Douchemenzada.

As far as his lockerroom presence goes-if there was any devisiveness it was probably related to feeding other players discontent with management and jealousy with his boy Chad 85. The Bengals were willing to franchise him but he told them not to. He’s been under Chad’s shadow since College he wanted to get away and he was probably pissed that Chad, even with all his acting out last season, was still the Bengal’s favored son.

Tj’s departure was an overall positive for the locker room.

by featherman on Oct 8, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said!!!

Housh, was probably pissed, No, he was pissed off, that he gave his all and didn’t get what all of the other top players got. Praised, and recognition, and how do you do that? MB gave ML a contract extension, gave Carson an extension, gave Chad an extension, and who else? These guys didn’t have to wait till their contract was up. Here was a person that did everything that was asked of him and what did he get? Shrugged off, till his contract was up. The distractions started 2 years ago and progressed to where it was jealousy and resentment. That’s enough to destroy a locker room. It’s contagious, just look at the other players that were a distraction during that 2 year period. My thought is that Chad was trying to help Housh out last year. That is why nobody could understand what the hell he was talking about. MB should’ve gave him a contract extension 2 years ago, then all of this would not have happened. In the end Housh got paid, but the grass was not greener on the other side!!! And MB made another stupid blunder and it hurt the team again, and again.

by WHYUS!! on Oct 8, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Housh was great on the field. That was never my point.

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by Kirkendall on Oct 8, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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