Where is Chase????

by BENGAL BOY on Nov 23, 2009 11:15 PM EST Comment 40 comments

What is the reason for not activating Chase Coffman??. This is more confusing then the Kennedy conspiracy. He would at the very least bring a very tall target for Palmer in the red zone. I don't want to hear about what he can and cant do on special teams or if he is a good blocker. The kid was a machine in the red zone in college, was our 3rd round pick and would be a matchup nightmare for opposing D coordinators. Why not use him like Dallas Clark!!

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To answer your question, He's on the sideline in street clothes.

We all know why he’s not playing, even if you don’t want to hear the reasons.

by St. Esiason on Nov 24, 2009 3:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Chase Coffman

Clueless answers on the Chase Question..Listen the guy never blocked a soul in College and everyone including the Bengals knew this. if he lines up in the red zone you have a LB trying to cover a 6 foot 6 TE that can run and catch like a WR. We are throwing jump fades to 5 foot 10 receivers right now with zero success. Marice Purify hasnt caught a ball in two games he is a wasted roster spot. Its not shocking that the great offenses have TE’s that are primarly WR’s instead of blockers. Clark, Celek, Gates Gonazales it goes on and on,.. You cant compete long term in this league anymore without using the TD as receiving threat ..PERIOD..

by BENGAL BOY on Nov 24, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Purify makes plays on special teams and blocks

Period, end of story. What happens when we bring Chase in and it either tips off the other team it’s a pass play or what happens when we run with him in the game and that LB thats covering him blows past him and blows Benson up in the backfield?

I would love Chase to be ready. But the guy may also not understand the system. How can he be Clark without understanding the game? And you all act like Clark doesn’t block. He is very solid when it comes to blocking.

Give Chase some time. He will be ok. And so will the Bengals without him. It would add an extra aspect to our O but hey, we don’t need it right now.

by kennythered on Nov 24, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The tipoff is a lame excuse

Are you telling me that when a 6th offensive linemen is brought in as the tight end, the defense isnt tipped off that it is a running play? Because it probably is a running play but who cares? When we used the full house formation last week was the defense being tipped off that it was a running play? Who cares. When we go shotgun on third and three are we tipping off the defense that we may be passing? WHo cares. There are audibles, decoy plays, etc. The offense is playing their game and the defense theirs. WHatever happens, happens.

Coffman is an NFL player with NFL talent. That’s why he was drafted. He gets treated like he doesn’t even know what a block is which in all likelihood is not the case at all. It seems that Hayes is a very demanding tight ends coach and just is not ready to go to bat for him.

There is hardly any production from the tight end position thus far. The majority of the running plays thus far have been in between the tackles which cannot justify the praise that Foschi and Coats get in the run game. As for passing plays it seems Foschi/Coats are always running routes and the running backs are kept in to block which negates their effectiveness as pass blockers too.

Personally, I don’t think the insertion of Coffman into the game would “tip” off anyone of anything we are doing. There is absolutely NO tape of what Coffman is capable of and I don’t think any defensive coach in the league is aware of the job Coffman does or doesn’t do as far as blocking goes.

Let him play two plays. That’s all Larry Johnson got. And Larry ran both times he was in. Does that mean the defense is tipped off now when Larry is put in the game?

by bengal fan from new york on Nov 24, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You made a good point with Hayes

He is good friends with Coffmans dad. I think we is holding a much higher standard for Chase than he does with Coats or Fosshi. He doesn’t want to see him “wing it” but rather be 100% prepared for gameday. I think he views Chase as a project that he doesn’t want to reveal to the world until he is 100% ready to come out and be one of the best.
This may not nessessarly be a bad thing. You just have to trust the coaches.

by smoormandiddy on Nov 24, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

If Coffman is a bona fide factor next year, then all the better. If the coaches do not think he can help the team, then I can do nothing but trust them. Do I think he can help in passing plays? Sure, he’s got to be more dangerous than Foschi and Coats. Hell that 6-year old in the tackle video posted on the home page) is more dangerous than Foschi or Coats in the passing game.

But please don’t let this turn into a Simpson situation. If that’s the case, then STOP DRAFTING PROJECTS!!!!!

by bengal fan from new york on Nov 24, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think that the best case for Coffman isn’t about what he could do, but what the other TEs aren’t doing. Foschi has been ok, but Coats is pretty much a non-factor as far as offensive productivity. I’m sure he can block well, but how many blocking TE’s do we need? I think Coffman just gives us another weapon to utilize that neither Foschi or Coats do.

This is our year!

by Carsonorbust on Nov 24, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Gonzo and Celek are great blockers

I don’t know about Gates and Clark, but most tight ends are good blockers if they are starting.

by St. Esiason on Nov 24, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, declare him Dallas Clark

and it miraculously makes him able to understand routes and blocking and all the other possible issues that have presented.

He’s a HUGE wide receiver. They want him to really be a tight end, not just in title.

I guess a winning record brings out freaks.

by supergrover on Nov 24, 2009 7:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

you know

we’ve won 7 games without him. we have the luxury of not rushing in a player who the coaching staff obviously believes is not (yet) NFL ready. we’re a pretty good team without him.

by ritalin on Nov 24, 2009 10:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Wow your logic " We have the luxury of not rushing him in because we won 7 games" sounds so much like the logic that has failed this team for 20 years.. The kid has been with the team for 7 months and he broke every college record there was and was our third round pick. We have no prodcution out of our TE postion or 4th recever postion. Our 3rd Receiver has been quite for a month as well.. We need him to take us to another level. We are not smarter then every other good team in the league that uses the TE position as a major weapon.

by BENGAL BOY on Nov 24, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

We are just as smart.

Chase wouldn’t be playing for other teams either. Hell the guy got passed on by a lot of teams. It wasn’t like he was a projected great player out of college. 3 rounder = typical role player.

by kennythered on Nov 24, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think the endzone point is good.

Would definitely be nice to have him down there as a big target.

I am more interested in whats going on with Andre Smith. I definitely agree with not upseting the balance that the offensive line has going, but I can’t imagine he is not one of the top 45 players, which Marvin said was what he needed to be to make the roster.

It's still a good season if we go 2-14 and beat the Steelers twice.

by Bengals FTW on Nov 24, 2009 11:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

The guy is not a game changer!

If he was black the city would probably say the guy is stupid and can’t learn the plays, ie Simpson. But since he is white, its obvious he understand everything on our offense and Marvin is just slighting him with some bull**** blocking excuse. (maybe a reach, but I don’t think so in many fan’s minds who don’t know much about the game)

by kennythered on Nov 24, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I'm not even touching this one!!!

yeah I am. Your crazy to think that! Go rethink what you said. It’s not a black and white issue, so take that issue off this forum. It’s stupid!!

by WHYUS!! on Nov 24, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey

I agree, its a touchy subject but you would be shocked about the testing when it comes to subconscious racism, especially in Cincinnati. I’m not saying anyone in meaning to do it, but it is the way many are raised. There are studies that would probably corroborate.

by kennythered on Nov 24, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

probably a good point, though many will call you stupid for suggesting it.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Nov 24, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

You have got to be kidding me. Marvin obviously is holding him back because he is white. He is cleary favoring black players, thats why Collins is starting over Dennis Roland.

Am I the only one that saw through hard knocks and the preseason that Coffman really cannot block? If you don’t throw a block in college, you are not going to learn how to block at an NFL level overnight.

It's still a good season if we go 2-14 and beat the Steelers twice.

by Bengals FTW on Nov 25, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you aren't the only one

That’s what I was commenting on earlier in another thread where this came up.

I don’t want to call him “stupid” stupid, since I can’t know for sure… but his football smarts aren’t all developed yet. I don’t care the race.

I can see throwing him in occasionally, but he’s not ready to be a twenty snaps player.

I guess a winning record brings out freaks.

by supergrover on Nov 25, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

he’s not calling marvin racist; he’s saying the fan reaction to coffman vs. simpson hints of racism.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Nov 25, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But since he is white, its obvious he understand everything on our offense and Marvin is just slighting him with some bull**** blocking excuse.

Thats the part I was refering too.

It's still a good season if we go 2-14 and beat the Steelers twice.

by Bengals FTW on Nov 25, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Now maybe he was not referring to Marvin, but even trying to speak for the opinions of an entire city is still ridiculous.

Besides, it does not matter what the city thinks. Marvin is not going to do something unless he thinks its going to help the team win, not matter how much the fans are calling for it.

It's still a good season if we go 2-14 and beat the Steelers twice.

by Bengals FTW on Nov 25, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I did not mean to insinuate that about Marvin

I was merely trying to make the point that if Chase was black he would be called stupid, unable to learn the playbook, and a bust.

by kennythered on Nov 29, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If they'renot ready...

they’re not ready. I can’t imagine a scenario where Marvin Lewis keeps the better players down. If Andre were the best guy right now, he’d be playing, if Chase were the best guy right now, he’d be playing.

by The Dealio on Nov 24, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Also

Marvin seems to have a strategy of sitting rookies when they are behind veterans and/or those playing well at the moment (ex: Palmer, Simpson). It is definitely going to be difficult to insert Andre into the lineup being that he missed training camp and preseason and has only come back a week or two ago, especially since the O-Line has been solid for the most part. Also, the O-Line needs consistency and Marvin likely doesn’t want to disrupt their continuity.

Marvin has no problems inserting rookies when there is a need (ex: Maualuga, Trent, Rivers), which is why I think Coffman deserves at least a look, but if the concern is special teams then guys like Hebert, Skuta, Nelson and Purify will get to dress over him.

by bengal fan from new york on Nov 24, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow for those who say he would be playing if he was better or that he is a role player because he was a third rounder are beyond ignorant. Brady, Montana, and about 30 other hall of famers were third round picks or later. Many of them had to have a guy get hurt or traded to get a chance. Are you trying to say that Bratkowski and Marvin wouldnt outhink themselves? They are not Bill Walsh for gods sake

We have the most unproductive TE stats in the league period.. You cant just throw away a position that every other succesull team in the league values!!!!!

by BENGAL BOY on Nov 24, 2009 4:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

We're 7-3.

What we have is working. Don’t knock it.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Nov 24, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

teams will figure it out..

they come out strong passing, get a lead, then begin running it unless they need to convert a long third down from ineffective running on the first two downs. So.. stack the box until they need to convert, then blitz everyone and disrupt the play. If they get it, no biggy, they won’t make them all. Keep stacking the box and our offense shuts down until we.. ready for it.. PASS! Pathetic.

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Nov 24, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

All the we are 7-3 fans dont change its working posts are pathetic.!! If we dont look to improve we will always be a step below. The last post got it right. If we dont throw new wrinkles in or get more dimensions to our offense we are in big trouble come late in the season. Good teams make adjustments during the year… I pray we do

by BENGAL BOY on Nov 24, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bengal Boy

I agree. We need to constantly look to improve because if we just look to sustain, we will get passed by. But please, lets do something to really improve. Coffman is a project. I think his relationship with Hayes probably made us reach for him in the draft. I am happy we have him though, he just isn’t ready.

With that said, do you think if we felt he was so damn good we would have offered a first day pick and Chris Henry for Martellus Bennett? We tried to improve the TE position pre trade deadline, but it just didn’t work out so now we are stuck until next draft/FA class.

I am more worried about protecting Carson as opposed to giving him another target. When passes aren’t completed it is 90% because Carson gets pressured, not that 85 or Coles isn’t open. I wouldn;t argue with you if you were calling for Andre Smith, but Coffman just aint an improvement!

by kennythered on Nov 24, 2009 11:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

You can keep Foschi in to block but my point all along has been activate him over Purify. There isnt much of a learning curve in catching a 5-10yd TD pass becuase your 6 foot 6 and give Carson a huge target which he has none of in the red zone now. Hell I will take Simpsons height. The fact that we waste an activation on Purify ( done absolutly nothing) instead of a unique red zone target just doest make sense.. Ever since the first half of Baltimore it has showed

The ? Is would you rather have Purify for special teams or Chase as a red zone target..

by BENGAL BOY on Nov 25, 2009 7:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Purify..

he’s a freak athlete who helps on special teams. The dude is also 6-3 so its not like we activated some Sproles looking guy or something. Purify got a few looks as a wideout last week, I expect him to start getting thrown to soon and you will see why Purify was the better decision. We need him for run blocking, he’s a hammer!

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Nov 25, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If anyone here isn't sold on Mo P,

Ask R-Dub how hard Mo P can hit.

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Nov 25, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hope your right about this guy

I guess we will see as the season goes on. He looked good in college, but what gets me is that he ‘s been on the practice squad for 1 1/2 seasons. Why? If he’s that good why didn’t other teams pick him up and give him a try, like Pressley, Pope, Lynch, etc..etc.. Just wondering, b/c of some issues he’s had in the past? He’s kept straight so far.

by WHYUS!! on Nov 26, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Combine Numbers

His 40 time wasn’t that hot even for a WR.

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Nov 28, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think some LBs had a better 40

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Nov 28, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

BZZZZZZZ

(that was my manual buzzer)

Purify ran a 4.45 at the combine then ran a 4.44 at his pro day. For comparisons sake, thats as fast as the fastest RB in the 2009 draft. He also improved on his combine numbers overall at his pro day recording a 36.5 vertical. If you want to talk numbers, please post them with your debate.

Just so we prevent more misunderstanding, the fastest linebacker in the 2009 draft was Aaron Curry who ran a 4.56. Faster than Cosby, our PR.

For more comparison:
Quan Cosby- 4.57
Percy Harvin- 4.41
Chad Ochocinco- 4.57
Jerome Simpson- 4.40

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Nov 29, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I feel kinda dumb

Maybe it was Cosby I was thinking of who didn’t have the hot 40 time. 4.57 isn’t great nowadays for a receiver(still good), but back when Chad was drafted, it was. Overall, though numbers are nothing more than that. What translates to success is on field performance. Which Purify has shown more than Simpson or Coffman.

Players nowadays are getting faster at almost every position. Ten years ago we would never talk about LB’s or DE’s running a 4.6 40.

The character issues in college were touched up on in another fanpost. From my understanding, Purify had a really rough week when that happened. Maybe it was the character issues that dropped him in the draft, cause from what I saw, he was pretty good in college. Big, Physical, hard hitting WR, something we’ve lacked for the most part for a while.

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 1, 2009 2:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I can agree with that.

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Dec 1, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m eager to see what he can do, but the coaches know they’ve got jack and shit at the TE position right now. If they thought he was ready to get into the game, understand the plays, run the right routes, block properly, etc then he would be in there.

Just because he’s 6’ 6" doesn’t mean he’s a td threat in the red zone. Why not put Michael Johnson in at TE, with that logic? If Coffman doesn’t know the offense yet why waste an active roster spot on him? All the other TEs you mention are TEs because they’re good at blocking. Coffman is a WR who’s always played the TE position. That doesn’t make him a TE. Furthermore, the fact that he’s been drafted by an NFL team doesn’t make him a star-caliber NFL player. He is not yet an NFL player. Comparing him to Dallas Clark is silly.

Once he works his way onto the active roster and shows he can do something at the NFL level we can start talking about how good he is. For now he’s just another nobody that hopefully someday will be somebody.

by indesignkat on Nov 26, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs