Ask Baltimore Beatdown: Here We Go Again
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 4, 2009 4:08 PM EST
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PrintI was wondering if this was a good idea, based on the rough relationship we seem to have as passionate AFC North division rivals. However, I am relatively stubborn and like discussing the upcoming games, so here we are for the Ravens/Bengals-Part 2.
You embarrassed us in our own crib last month and we'd love nothing better than trying to prove the fluke of it by returning the favor. While you are coming off your Bye, both teams had their most dominating performances in their last games, you vs. Chicago and us against the Broncos.
Which Ravens team will Cincinnati be facing this Sunday, the one that laid an egg losing to you in the game's final moments or the one that totally dominated the Broncos this past Sunday in all aspects of the game? I guess we can debate that the rest of the week, but we will see for sure on Sunday. I see this more of a must-win game for the Ravens than the Bengals, as a Baltimore loss drops us to .500 and you sweep the season series while going to 6-2. A loss to us and you're still 5-3 and 3-1 in the AFC North. Does the desperation of the game make any difference in this rivalry? Probably not to the players but definitely to us fans.
Let's try to get along as well as JungleJohn and I always seem to do out of respect for the great job he does here on Cincy Jungle and our connection to SB Nation. Hopefully the rest of my guys and yours can do the same, limiting our thoughts and comments to the game. So see you throughout the rest of the week to answer your questions and come on over to Baltimore Beatdown to do the same. With crossed fingers, see you around the Jungle!
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.
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Played last week
and the result certainly showed as Elvis Dumvervil was virtually invisible no matter where he lined up.
NOTE: The movie, ‘The Blind Side’ about Ravens RT Michael Oher (made before he was drafted) opens Nov. 20th.
aka 'Rexx'
Bruce
Do you believe the Bengals D will see more of Ray Rice and the running game or Joe Flacco’s aerial attack? And which do you think will be more successful?
Great question
I think they’ll try to give you more running but if you stop it you’ll see more of Flacco. Either way, he will get the ball into Rice’s hands, be it a handoff or throw.
aka 'Rexx'
Hey Bruce
You’re one of the good guys over at Baltimore Beatdown. I have a few questions. How do you feel about the Ravens as a road team? How does Flacco in particular play on the road? Also, how do you feel about your chances of beating the Steelers?
Thanks, WhoDey
We seem to get a bit more “up” for these tough in-division games, notice that? The Ravens have had trouble on the road against the better teams, seeming to play just barely bad enough to lose, other than SD. However, Flacco’s stats on the road have been better than at home since his rookie season. Perhaps he feels under less pressure without playing in front of the high expectations. Either way, he’s pretty stoic and calm for a 2nd year guy. I like our chances at splitting with them, but winning at the ugly Heinz Field will be tough, but certainly not impossible.
aka 'Rexx'
A little respect goes a long way
Hey Bruce. Thanks for trying to promote classy blogging, something that’s always a challenge when emotions are high between division rivals.
Which defense do you expect to see on Sunday from your Ravens? The one that has allowed 24 or more points to four of it’s opponents, the one that showed up last Sunday to play the Broncos or somewhere in between? Why?
This is our year!
Gee, what a great idea for a post!
I wrote a story on this specific question about this game earlier this week on Baltimore Beatdown. I’m voting and expecting the recent (vs. Denver) one, rather than the one you’re probably hoping for!
aka 'Rexx'
Thanks for allowing us the opportunity to ask you some questions.
What a classy guy!
What’s the biggest difference between the Ravens now and several weeks ago? Anything we need to watch out for now that we didn’t last time?
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Hopefully the blitzing
pass pressure we got on Denver’s Kyle Orton was the game plan that we worked on during our Bye week. We didn’t get any pressure and thuis our DB’s looked horrible the first time we played. Don’t forget we threw a stupid Red Zone INT on our first series against you that could have made a huge difference in the game. If we keep it clean and get pressure, I really like our chances.
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Don't forget..
We threw a stupid INT to Ed Reed that was returned for a touchdown. But your right, that saved us from a score
I also disagree
That Ed Reed interception was also an unbelievable read by Ed Reed on that Ocho slant. Came across the whole field to make the play.
by bengal fan from new york on Nov 5, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
That red zone interception was actually an unbelievable read by J-Joe that negated a wide open touchdown to Heap in the end zone.
by bengal fan from new york on Nov 5, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
i think it was actually a great call by zimmer, ‘cause i’m pretty sure j-joe said that the coverage dictated his drop, and baltimore thought he was playing a different coverage.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
hey, heap made the same read, at least according to the highlight audio.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
Maybe
I’m not sure what the coverage was underneath, whether a linebacker dropped into coverage, but J-Joe left his man slanting across the middle because he read the end zone corner route. Either way it was a great read/call/play that prevented an almost guaranteed touchdown.
by bengal fan from new york on Nov 6, 2009 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
If we beat you guys again
Will you guys admit we are the better team and move on? Cause last time it seemed like you didn’t even think we won because of the refs’ calls, which were all justified.
Yes, I will, at least
the other guys, I can’t speak for. However, I clearly recall beating you in the first game of the season last year and one of your guys came on our site calling us names and saying you would finish the year with a better record that we did- and what happened? However, at week 9, if you beat us, not only are you a better team, but you are firmly in the playoff hunt and we are out.
But to me that’s a big “if.”
aka 'Rexx'
i don’t think baltimore is out if they lose this game. people really seem to have overhyped the afc south and west, where no more than one playoff team will emerge, speaking realistically. that would leave a battle with whoever finishes second in the east, and i see no reason that baltimore would be out of the running at 4-4.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
With remaining games
with Pittsburgh (twice) and Indy plus at GB, the road is probably over for the post season.
aka 'Rexx'
i don’t think green bay will be that tough for the ravens; the packers weren’t particularly tough for the bengals, and we were still mostly sputtering at that point. i just think the ravens are a good enough team that 4-4 won’t be the end of the road for them, and i don’t think you can say that about most of the teams competing with the ravens (or bengals for that matter) for the wild card.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
I respect honest fans more than any other. Good man.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
The Packer game scares me
Did you know this is the first night game in December in GB history!? Why? Because it’s so damn cold! I’m thinking of going to experience the real “Frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field.”
aka 'Rexx'
Which means run
And you guys have good run defense against a oline that looks depleted (or at least gives tons of sacks).
sorry bout the friendly trash talk gone bad...
I do it with everybody, especially division foes……
CB85......Collaros for Heisman
No problem with me
just try to keep it clean and not too personal. Remember, these blogs are among the best on the internet and SB Nation has a great rep and we don’t want to lower it beyond what we know we want to look like.
aka 'Rexx'
i have kept it clean but...
some of your fellows took some personal shots, its all about fun to me, but when the guys shoot off dirty talk they should expect it back
CB85......Collaros for Heisman
by TennBengalfan on Nov 6, 2009 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the answers, Bruce.
All good ones. Good luck Sunday, but even better luck with your 2 games against the Steelers.
What's up Bruce?
Hey, what’s the deal with Haloti Ngata? I saw him go down late in the game on Sunday. Is he expected back this week?
Thanks dude
3 yards and a pile of dust
Still out of practice as of Thursday
but we are pretty deep at DT although it ids tough to replace him.
aka 'Rexx'
Ladarius Webb
Hey Bruce Ladarius Webb Was very explosive for you guys in the return game, how big of a factor do you believe his return skills will be in this game, being that Josh cribbs dominance is what kept our game with the browns so close?
by ak513 on Nov 5, 2009 11:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Hey Bruce
I mimick everyone else’s comments above. I love your classy attitude towards this blog. I also like bravado and trust in your team that any good fan should have.
What surprised you the most about the Bengals performance in game 1, and what adjustments to us do you think your team will make for game 2?
Better pass rush
It all begins with the pass pressure. Fix that and the rest falls into place.
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Bruce
I have two questions for you. The first one is how big do you think Joe Flacco’s dick is? The second one is do you think its as big as Carsons b/c he has a huge perk sword.
by AlexanderTheGreat on Nov 5, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions
I’m sure Who-Dey can answer this one for you. He loves himself a good cockmeat sandwich.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
...
Take it as a courage question. Which one has more “balls,” more courage, etc.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
Flacco definitely wins the balls battle. Until Carson gets more playoff wins than flacco, he will always be behind Joe. You can say that flacco did not have a good qb rating but the fact that he was the QUARTERBACK (the most important position on a team) as a rookie, says so much about him. Carson has been putting up crazy stats in his career and still can’t get a playoff victory. If he is that great and that gutsy he should have some playoff victories by now. The power of the unibrow has already taken over.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
....
Flacco has had the luxury of playing in a team with a legendary defense. If Kimo Van whatshisface wouldn’t have “accidentally” rolled on Palmer’s knee we wouldn’t even be talking about this.
Bottom line, Palmer landed on a disfunctional team, and even then took them to the playoffs. Flacco landed on a team where even Jamarcus Russell would’ve done well. Palmer is hands down the better QB.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
Right now yes
but check back in a couple of years and we may see it differently. Remember that Flacco played all his rookie year while Your Carson sat behind Kitna.
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Matt Ryan landed on one of the most disfunctional teams in history
And was able to get more playoff wins than Carson. Anything?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Matt Ryan is pretty good, off the subject though
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Nov 6, 2009 4:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's overated......
R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!
by Zachary Beard on Nov 8, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
first, that team was dysfunctional the year before because of one person (okay, two if you count bobby petrino) and they had a lot of the tools in place already, so it wasn’t that big a stretch for a game manager (which is what ryan was his rookie year) to come in and succeed, a la trent dilfer with the ravens (not comparing the teams, mind you, just the situations).
second, i never buy into this judging quarterbacks by playoff wins thing, if for no other reason that it leaves out the fact that the quarterback (although arguably the most important) represents less than 5% of the personnel on the field. do his actions outweigh the actions of the other 95% simply because he’s the “most important”?
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
How can he be the “most important” if he does NOT outweigh them?
Personally I think he’s neither the most important nor does he outweigh them. I think he’s most critical, but not “most important”. Some teams even Peyton Manning (or Tom Brady, Drew Brees, etc) couldn’t save. Other teams Jamarcus Russell could do at least OK on… probably…
No, it’s the sum of the parts. The QB gets too much credit or blame (as in nearly all of it), but he is still critical and deserves probably about half of what he actually gets.
if you are 20% of the whole, and each other part represents 5% of the whole, then you are the most important individual segment of the whole; however, that doesn’t make you bigger than the 80% represented by all other parts of the whole. that’s how he can be the most important and not outweigh them.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
what Ryan did was only impressive because he was a rookie. his stats were very average and his team carried him into the playoffs.
This is our year!
Ryan plays in a cake division
And on top of that let’s face it… the NFC aint the AFC.
by WhoDeyDerek on Nov 10, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Playoff wins don't really matter
Unless you make it far enough to go to the Super Bowl. And yes, I would be saying the same thing if Carson had more playoff wins. Trent Dilfer has more playoff wins than Flacco (and more super bowl wins.) Does that make him a better QB?
Right now, yes
Dilfer right now is maybe the best QB to come through Baltimore for what he did. I don’t care how good your defense is, when a QUARTERBACK wins a superbowl, he is doing something quite spectacular to get that ring for his team. I am sure other Ravens fans will tell you otherwise at the moment, but Dilfer has gotten it done, Flacco hasnt. But he is only in his 2nd year.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I have to disagree with you. I’ve always argued that Super Bowls make great players, but very few people would ever argue that Dilfer was a great QB. He was just good enough.
This is our year!
Dilfer was a liitle piece
of the puzzle. One that was counted on NOT to screw up, rather than help the team win. Run, play great defense and don’t make mistakes when you pass the ball. Doesn’t make a good QB at all. Most QB’s in the NFL could have won that year with the Ravens.
aka 'Rexx'
I think its pretty lame that you can't answer my question, obviously you are not as big of a Ravens fan as you think
by AlexanderTheGreat on Nov 5, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that you have penis on your mind is frightening.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
all you talk about is gay crap
keep that mess off the Jungle, this aint your site
CB85......Collaros for Heisman
by TennBengalfan on Nov 7, 2009 3:33 AM EST up reply actions
He started it, not MaLoR, Just saying.....
R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!
by Zachary Beard on Nov 8, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
whats with these folks and the gay crap?
makes me wonder about those folks
CB85......Collaros for Heisman
by TennBengalfan on Nov 7, 2009 3:35 AM EST up reply actions
Fellow Ravens fans come to Cincinnati Sunday
I need some help this Sunday In Cincy cheering on our RAVENS. I hope that we have many fans coming into town like we did last year. Bengals having trouble selling out PBS again, I say lets help them out and cheer on our RAVENS in Cincinnati. Bengals yet again need extension to try and sell 3,000 tickets to get a sell out. Ravens fans should buy them all. I’ll be there Sunday right over Ravens Tunnel.
by CincinnatiRavensfan on Nov 5, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions
This guy is going to single-handedly sell out the game for us
The Bengals need to hire him in the PR dept
I don’t know yet. What section are you guys going to be in? I do not believe it is a sellout, so bring more with you. Hope to see you guys there. Where are you guys playing on tailgating at? I know I saw many Ravens fans over in parking lot on third street.
by CincinnatiRavensfan on Nov 6, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions
they're bringing 52 and you're telling him to bring more?
jesus. it’s not like baltimore is an hour away.
Like WhoDeyDerek said, He should be in the Bengals PR department.
R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!
by Zachary Beard on Nov 8, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
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