Comparing the Bengals to other post-season Bengals squads; Was Peter Warrick a bust?
by Kirkendall on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 AM EST
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With all of this talk about an effective rushing offense and a dominant defense on Monday, I'm sure it's getting tiring. Right? Regardless, we'll close that subject out (for now) with one final thought. And honestly, it's purely of interest that has no real bearing on the team's fortunes this year. We took the Bengals rushing offense averages and rushing defensive averages and compared them to other seasons in which the Bengals made the playoffs.
| Season | Rushing/Game | Rank | Defense/Game | Rank |
| 2009 | 135.3 | 7th | 81.9 | 3rd |
| 2005 | 119.4 | 11th | 115.6 | 20th |
| 1990 | 132.5 | 5th | 130.3 | 22nd |
| 1988 | 169.4 | 1st | 128.0 | 18th |
| 1982 * | 105.4 | 20th | 94.4 | 3rd |
| 1981 | 123.3 | 17th | 117.6 | 9th |
| 1975 | 129.9 | 17th | 156.7 | 18th |
| 1973 | 159.7 | 7th | 129.1 | 8th |
| 1970 | 146.9 | 4th | 110.2 | 9th |
| * Strike-shortened season | ||||
Yahoo!'s Shutdown Corner ranks the biggest busts in the decade (no chance for Akili, sorry). But they did pick Peter Warrick as a bust. I have to admit, this did surprise me. I've never thought of Warrick as a bust, even though by all definitions, he should be classified as such. He was the fourth overall draft pick in 2000, played five seasons with the Bengals (missing 14 games), averaged 53 receptions and 562.2 yards receiving per season and only scored 18 career touchdowns. Yet, I remember the touchdown on punt return against the undefeated Kansas City Chiefs most of all. In your opinion, was Warrick a bust?
Who Dey Fans is disappointed that 6,000 tickets remain for this Sunday's home game against the Detroit Lions.
Dave likes this brand of Bengals football too!
DDN's Tom Archdeacon writes that if the Bengals make the postseason, then thank the Bengals running backs who were "considered misfits and often worse by those who cast them off not long ago."
Don Banks says that the Bengals are questionable if they can't start passing better. "But that power running game and the Bengals defense should serve Cincinnati very well as the weather turns nasty for the rest of the regular season."
Clark Judge writes:
The Cincinnati Bengals blew down the AFC North, winning all six of their starts, and I'll tell you how: Defense. They allowed 80 points in this season's division games, and no more than 14 in each of their last four. A year ago, they allowed 136 points, and that included a shutout of Cleveland.
In only the way Peter King can (aka, pissing all of us off for not exploding with joy about these Bengals like the rest of us): "Bengals 33, Raiders/Browns 27 the last two weeks." Uh-huh.
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Who Dey Fans is disappointed about ticket sales
meanwhile Who Dey Revolution is doing backflips
by GrooveLeg on Dec 1, 2009 10:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol, no doubt
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Dec 1, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how about this gem from Peter King?
“The Miraculous Bra just came out.‘’
— Candice Swanepoel, Victoria’s Secret model, on CBS’ NFL Today show Sunday.
That’s perhaps the worst promotion on any NFL pregame show of all time. CBS is doing a fashion show this week and put this babe on TV as a billboard for it, and while Swanepoel was on TV, she got in a pop for a new piece of underwear.
Second thought: It is the worst promotion on any NFL pregame show of all time.
this is her
right, Peter… you are quite possibly the ONLY male who watched that and grumbled about it which immediately calls into question your heterosexuality.
by GrooveLeg on Dec 1, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whoa...
Um…wow. Yeah, Peter…you continue to swing hard and miss by a mile there!
by TheWalrus1971 on Dec 1, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you read that edition of MMQB, he lists Denver’s throwbacks as one of his favorites…..he lost all credibility right there
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Dec 1, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he also continually trashes the bengals uniforms, and i’m pretty sure he’s among the group that believes the chargers powder blue jerseys are the best unis in the league; he has zero credibility with that, as far as i’m concerned (i still don’t see how a football team can feel like a football team when they’re dressed like mommy just woke them up from their nap).
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
by Raging Clue on Dec 1, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To me
PK never had any credibility to begin with. Never cared for the guy, think he’s a pompous east coast dick rider.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 1, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
Groove you get a huge +1mil
CB85......Collaros for Heisman
by TennBengalfan on Dec 1, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Warrick
A fourth-overall pick, especially one so highly-touted as Warrick was coming out of Florida State, should have been able to do more and be more to his team. Return for TD against the Chefs…yeah…something about a blind squirrel and a nut comes to mind.
Come to think of it, the same applies to Justin Smith. Fourth-overall pick…need I remind us of the $4.3M per sack he was paid in his “franchise” season?
They were both busts, IMHO!
by TheWalrus1971 on Dec 1, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
agreed. i would put smith above warrick, because at least p-dub had a few great moments.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
by Raging Clue on Dec 1, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RE:
Disagree. I think Smith was much more consistent than P-Dub ever was.
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by Kirkendall on Dec 1, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess i’m just in that crowd that feels if you’re drafted to get 10 sacks a year, you better get 10 sacks a year. i realize he was good against the run and had a “high motor”, but it always pissed me off that he never bothered to learn new pass rush moves.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
by Raging Clue on Dec 1, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RE:
I can understand that. I feel the same way.
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by Kirkendall on Dec 1, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
…and HOW many times did he get 10 sacks in a season? None? Game Over.
by TheWalrus1971 on Dec 1, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also, i’m kind of bitter about the fact that the entire time he was here, smith complained that the coaches wanted to switch him to a 3-4 player, but once san francisco paid him, he was more than happy to make the switch and suddenly considered himself to be a 3-4 player.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
by Raging Clue on Dec 1, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that irked me most about Justin Smith
was that he only had one move. And you better believe it’s the bull rush.
I also spent 60 dollars on his jersey. I donated it to goodwill after he was released.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 1, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he called the move "Magnum"
by smoormandiddy on Dec 1, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, it was “blue steel.”
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
by Raging Clue on Dec 1, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Additionally:
“If you can stop it, you can name it.” (slightly modified, but the premise remains)
by A Pragmatic Bengals Fan on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LJ
Larry Johnson really showed his talent vs the Browns, filling in and running for 107 yards, talented, talented player. If u ask me, Cedric Benson and Larry Johnson in the backfield can provide a lot of headaches for the defense. This Bengals team is looking very competitive rolling into week 12…
check out LJ on Lockerblogger!!
by twentyone21b on Dec 1, 2009 11:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
it’s not about peter king “exploding with joy” or not; it’s about the fact that he doesn’t pay attention to the why or the how, only the what. any idiot can point out that the bengals scored only 16 points against the browns, but it would take actual knowledge and observation to realize that that was essentially the setup of the gameplan. why worry about scoring 30 when you need only 10? make no mistake, the bengals dominated that game against the browns, and to answer peter king’s later question, i’ll take the bengals in january in cincinnati against tom brady.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
by Raging Clue on Dec 1, 2009 12:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I saw his article today saying that he hoped the Patriots got the Bengals in the playoffs. He really does write the Bengals off. Historically, Cincinnati hasn’t played well against New England. But this year they have done a few things differently so we’ll see. The Raiders game really set them back respect wise though. But maybe they play better when they aren’t the favorite.
by Who Duh on Dec 1, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
historically, the bengals haven’t played well against winning teams at all, but this season has been the opposite of history (except for the raiders game).
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
by Raging Clue on Dec 1, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a cunning plan!
Seeing as we’re not using him anyway, why not sit Carson and let Cedric take the snaps in a Wildcat formation alongside Larry Johnson in the backfield? Come to think of it, why not trade Carson, considering paying a Pro Bowl caliber QB to hand the ball off 40 times is a waste of money that could be better spent on a second LEFT tackle to make the HEAVY formation symmetrical? Heck, we could probably get a really high draft pick for Carson and use for living saint, Tim Tebow! And, for gods sake, let’s get rid of the painfully flashy and obsolete Ochocinco and Bernard Scott and replace them with gigantic blocking tight ends or fullbacks, before they inadvertently score touchdowns on single plays when 12-15 play field goal drives are called for. Hell, maybe we could bring back the Flying Wedge? </mostly joking>
by IgnatiusJReilly on Dec 1, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Iggy. Where the hell have you been?
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by Kirkendall on Dec 1, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just what I was thinking, yeah...
…where have you been???
by TheWalrus1971 on Dec 1, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was unavoidably detained by a demanding woman
at first, the demanding was fun. then, it got old. now, she’s gone and I’m back. FTW!
by IgnatiusJReilly on Dec 1, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How my brain works
Peter Warrick = punt return TD against KC = he ain’t so baaaaad
It was that kind of special Bengal moment for me…made up for a lot of ills.
by BigBengal9 on Dec 1, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yep. I was there
that was the Chad Johnson “Guarantee” game.
I guess a winning record brings out freaks.
by supergrover on Dec 1, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RE:
We should do another top ten moments since Marvin Lewis became head coach.
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by Kirkendall on Dec 1, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that chief game was a big one
CB85......Collaros for Heisman
by TennBengalfan on Dec 1, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
6,000 tickets left?
That was frustrating news. As a Nashville resident and not having a pulse on the city, I thought everyone would be more excited. I mean, I know its the Lions, but still.
by doreposts on Dec 1, 2009 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm in Nashville, too!
You, me and TennBengalfan need to get together for the playoff game if none of us ends up going to PBS!
by TheWalrus1971 on Dec 1, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
CB85......Collaros for Heisman
by TennBengalfan on Dec 1, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im pumped.....like groove said we some PO FOLKS
if i had the means I would be there this weekend
CB85......Collaros for Heisman
by TennBengalfan on Dec 1, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peter King
use to be Bengals beat writer way back when. I suspect he has some sort of Brown family thorn stuck in his azz.
by featherman on Dec 1, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Busts
While I am disappointed in Peter Warrick and Justin Smith’s performances as Benagls, neither of them are a top ten, or even top 20 bust of the last 20 years.
Justin Smith:
Compare Justin Smith to another highly picked DE- Courtney Brown.
Brown was draft #1 one overall a year before Smith went 4. Smith has 579 tackles to Brown’s 194. Brown had 2 more Passes defensed at 23 to 21, but that difference is erased by Smith’s 3 INT. Smith has 53 sacks compared to 19. Smith had much more production. While Smith should not have been franchised, and was a disappointment, I can’t honestly label him a bust.
Warrick: In 2003, Peter Warrick was 29th in the league in Receptions, and Yards, and 17th in Tds. He was the 3rd best # 2 reciever in the league.
Compare this with some other highly picked wide recievers this decade. Charles Rogers, #2, 2003; Troy Williamson, # 7, 2004; Mike WIlliams, #10, 2005; and David Terrell, # 8, 2001.
Warrick had more yards than any of the others, almost twice as many as Terrell, # 2 on the list.
Warrick had 1 less TD than the other 4 combined (18-19).
Warrick only had 20 receptions less than the other 4 combined (275-295).
Again, Warrick was a bitter disappointment but I can not label him a bust over these other players drafted in a similar spot with so much less production.
In the end, I would give them both D grades. But not Fs, which I would label a bust.
by jim0ijk on Dec 1, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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