Post Game Open Thread: Minnesota Vikings take it to the Cincinnati Bengals
by Josh Kirkendall on Dec 13, 2009 3:59 PM EST
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It wasn't so much that the Cincinnati Bengals lost. The Vikings, after all, are a very good football team. But the way the Cincinnati Bengals looked while losing was bad. If there's a thing as a bad loss, this is it. Bunch of penalties. Bad passing offense. Underutilized rushing offense. A defense that looked great at times, but also allowed the Minnesota Vikings to score on five straight possessions. Not that we should blame them; after all, the Vikings never started a drive inside their own 20-yard line -- and started seven drives outside their own 30-yard line.
I called this a prove-we-belong game. Clearly, the Bengals don't belong right now. Adversity playing in a hostile Minnesota dome knocked the Bengals out, as did weak offensive line play, lack of focus from the skill players, terrible special teams from coverage units and Kevin Huber and another 2009 game in which Carson Palmer was, at best, very average.
After falling behind 16-7 at half time, the Bengals uninspiring offense was hit and miss. On their first drive of the second half, the Bengals went six plays, 19 yards, kicking a punt. On the next drive, they went 11 plays for 75 yards and a field goal. After that, three and out, punt. All the while the Minnesota Vikings went 60 yards on 10 plays for a touchdown on the second half opening possession before going three-and-out and on back-to-back drives which would end up being insurance points.
Cincinnati's offense, save for two drives, never found their rhythm. Defensively, the Bengals did what they could, even though they allowed scores on five straight possessions, thanks to great field position.
The Bengals take on the San Diego next week in California; a state that the Bengals have historically played terrible in.
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The penalties are by far the biggest issue.
That’s also a simple thing to clean up. I maintain we’re still a playoff team, but today was ugly. The Vikings looked ugly last week, though. Every team has an off game.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
6 straight games without a TD
in the second half.
And Marvin has given the “clean up the penalties” speech a million times already. It’s not working.
This team is a bunch of pretenders. They’re 3-4 outside the AFC Northworst.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Simple thing????????
If its simple, then why havent they cleaned them up? This has been going on all year minus the Bears game. It cant be simple or our coaches dont know how to clean it up. that is Giggles (Marvin) seech at the end of every game. We are going to have to clean up the penalties. If anything it,s getting worse.
by James Schmid the great on Dec 14, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe...
..we should consider looking for alternatives at QB for next season. Carson Palmer reached an all-time low and there’s no signs he’ll get back to being half the player he once was.
I suggested at Mocking The Draft
That maybe we should draft a project QB who could learn for a year before starting in a later round.Palmer is 30 this year
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
maybe a Pike or Locker?
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
depends on what type of arm Pike has? Is it a wet noodle?
Personally i just want someone accurate who also scrambles to back up Palmer
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Harsh call
Palmer still has a lot to give. OL has played out of their skin all season, but on the passing game, not sure it holds up. Bengals need another WR opposite Chad. Look how many passes Coles has caught in the last 4 or 5 games. No use.
having a young-raw but gifted QB to learn behind him for a couple of years wouldn’t be bad thing though. We could pick up a guy with all the talent and raw ability who played in a pistol or spread system and let them learn slowly
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
nuts
did you see that old man out there in purple? Palmer has a lot of years left and he is still very, very talented. the problems with this offense do not start with him. He didn’t look good but a back up in the early rounds would be a stupid. However, I am convinced this offense has problems we can’t fix with this coordinator and these eligible receivers (WR & TE). Anyone interested in starting a “Hire Charlie Weis as the OC” campaign?
by steve whodey on Dec 13, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
its Brian Kelly's fault
in other news Brandon Marshall breaks NFL record 21 catches
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Marvin and Brat have to go...my reasons....
Marvin: terrible time management, horrible choices(not going for td,and not going for 4th downs)m he should have eliminated penalties
Brat:terrible play calling and predictability. run run pass has to go
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Benson was 4 yards from 100 he had 96 yards
make that 36 games of no 100 yard rusher
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On other news
Chargers punter(kicker?) in practice just hit the tv screen
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions
awesome
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
and Romo is going to hold the kicks on extra points! This game has comedy gold written all over it
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I could see Scifres hitting that
He is a monster
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Give him a remote control
…it’s easier to change channels that way.
Hold on, I’m going to angle a ball at the TV!
Marvin Lewis has always had bad game management
Brat is always run run pass…… why?
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lewis loves him some run run pass. Brat naturally is a pass run pass (punt) kinda guy (he was at seattle)
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I dont understand why they didnt take chance on the 4th downs?
our defense was just decent vs them
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
me either
I thought the field goal was a give up play
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
because giving them the ball on our 30 with 9 minutes is a terrible idea.
the 4th and 3 is tough, but anytime you can get points, I think you’ve gotta take them.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
I disagree we were down 13 with 7 to play
what you got to lose?
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
If you punt, and you get a quick 3 and out, you're still down 13.
Go for it, don’t get it, they’re automatically in FG range. Isn’t this why Belichick got blasted against the Colts?
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Belichick
was not down 16 or 13 in that situation.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think NE was still in the lead
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
there is that difference
All the same, I think you’ve got to trust your defense. It didn’t happen today.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
True
What do we have to lose?
The other 4th down, where we punted, got a penalty to make it 4th and 3, and we punt again???
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yes there were
Like Discipline
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s because Brat has blackmail photos of MB.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Offense
What a pathetic showing by the offense today. It never looked like they were in the game. The line looked average at best, don`t get me started on the fags, and no passing game in sight. They should do nothing in pratice but work on the passing game. Was Purify ever in the game. When QC got more passes thrown his way something is wrong. we need someone in there to open things up (simpson anyone). We might as well not even show up next week if this is how we are going to play against playoff teams.
Benson only bright spot
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
but he dropped one too
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
But Coats
catches passes for three or four yard gains. It’s a joke. Carson Palmer averaged fewer yards per pass attempt than Ced Benson’s avg per carry!!!!!
(And in spite of Benson’s one long run, the Bengals rushing “attack” still has huge numbers of plays for zero or negative yardage)
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
KC lost to Buffalo…. i think we can make hay with their running D at home
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions
we wont get second seed i guarantee that
not with this team
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
you'll know next week
Sad thing today: first time this season on the road that the Bengals got spanked
first loss against nfc north for lewis
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
IF we make the playoffs we wont be able to do anything
I want a Super Bowl!!! I say we draft Pike this draft and let him learn. Palmer is overpaid and overrated
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if we got to the superbowl it would be voted the worst ever.
Lewis “right lads… we have those 3 points… now lets kill out the clock!”
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
lol thats right
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I know you guys are all UC homers and the like...
but if they draft Tony Pike in the 1st round someone deserves to be fired.
didnt say first round I say 3rd
he is projected 2-3rd round
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
that would be a terrible idea.
Pike is a good QB, and I think has NFL talent, but a 1st round pick is wasted.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
lol
how come we cant blow out teams like that
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
we had to scratch and claw vs the lions
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
that rough-slow-tough style of offence won us the AFC North…. it is never pretty nor does it allow for many blow outs
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
but we have to score alot of points to beat playoff teams
playoffs are not the afc north
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
it is why most commentators think this year we are a won and done type of team.
We’ve worked out what type of football wins this division (which is very cold, played in high winds and features no domes) but lack the playmakers to cut loose on other sorts of teams
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
we need to make big plays
we will have to score alot vs the colts
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, we need another slot reciever… maybe a Wes Welker type who is short, fast and good on screens.
Another RB who is fast – just in case Scott gets injured.
A TE who can sustain drives against smaller sized Ds (like the Colts).
And a WR who is tall and can make big plays (Henry coming back will fit the bill).
Think about what the Vikings did in the draft to finish off what they had already (a good D and running game)
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
We need a QB!
Defintely a Quarterback wouldn’t hurt. I haven’t seen much from Palmer this year. Pretty bad when Shane Graham out scored everyone against the Steelers.
I think it's more a once-in-a-lifetime fluke
that won the North this year.
Normally when Pitt and Balt play the run-first good-defense style they beat the CRAP out of the bad teams. They don’t eake out wins against Detroits and Clevelands. As you saw today with the Ravens crushing the Lions completely.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think so
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
i think it was why people wanted to see if Jerome could offer than big play ability with his jumping and catching (and speed) against the Browns etc
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
he can run, jump and catch…. he a a problem getting open against jam coverage and is a little raw against zone coverage….
personally i think either the coaches are rubbish at their job or Jerome is dating one of their daughters
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's
pretty clear Jerome Simpson is a massive bust. We have to move on. He’ll get cut oin preseason next year with little fanfare. Or maybe in 2011 preseason.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Im going to talk about the terrible coaching
and Palmer being so sucky…..Running game was great once again
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Boy do we miss Slim
Rey Maualuga should not be playing outside, he is not fast enough
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I saw him man coverage vs the slot
which if Harvin was playing couldve been brutal
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
at least for the playoffs
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Benson is pissed they didnt let him get his 100 yards at the end of game
he is on the post game radio show
http://www.1530homer.com/mediaplayer/?station=WCKY-AM&action=listenlive&channel_title=
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to be honest he has a right to be pissed.
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
yea he said "I thought for sure we woulda pounded the ball at the end but its whatever"
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
The game was a lost cause.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
He wanted it
but that is Lewis and Brat for ya…..I say they must go
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
na
he does very stupid things with timeouts, and game management
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Promote Zimmer
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
He's also the second winningest Bengals coach EVER.
A fact which also goes overlooked.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Even so
Wyche got us to a SB
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
And should
How many Playoff games has ML won
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Schottenheimer
Has a great regular season record, but cannot win playoff games. I think ML needs to win playoff games to save his job in the eyes of the fans.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Not quite accurate
Marty repeatedly got his teams to the playoffs, something that Marvin has only done once, thus far. He at least put them in a position to win a playoff game.
by Big Sky Bengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
But Marty
never won in the playoffs either(Not never, 5-13), or at least not often.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 14, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
you cant tell me we cannnot find a better coach these days?
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
it was not Browns fault today though
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
but for 20 years it has been
one swallow doesn’t make a summer
For me, Lewis is no angel, but he’s not the source of the problem
Fantastic turnaround season this year after taking his eye off the ball 12 months ago
I'm gonna have to disagree
Lewis is piss poor at managing the game clock
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
he still covered Carson's ass on one play in the second half
Credit, he moved 5 yards in 3 seconds
I don’t start the fault with him for that. He needs to put Zampese upstairs and resign Zimmer.
Zimmer for head coach
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Bengals!!!
Weiss for OC and hire another good coach for Defense….Alaexander the o-line coach has to get his guys to stop with the false starts or he will be gone too
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Alexander is assistant head coach!
Can’t see Mikey changing the staff (unless the leave) after a winning season. It’s a Zimmerless defensive unit next season. The rest will stay.
Alexander should consentrate on O Line
I saw a lot of missed assignments in this game. I had the DVR working overtime and it wasn’t a good showing. Smith, Williams, Cook, Livings, and Mathis all had some big wiffs. I didn’t see any for the Govenor but he can’t do it alone. not the best performance.
by steve whodey on Dec 13, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
not with us
but we got scott
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yea we lost to the Vikings a great team
you lost to the brownies hahahahahahahaha
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
the browns- shaun rogers
Not only did u guys lose to the browns they didnt even have shaun rogers lol sit down , the steel curtain just got closed
yesteryear
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Steelers are not quite dead yet.
Indianapolis and New orleas are the Teams to beat
Doug Fowler
by steelerfan19650511 on Dec 13, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
6th seed
if I remember correctly steelers were the 6th seed , when they won Super Bowl 40. Won all their games on The Road the first game they won wasagainst your who dey bengals.
Doug Fowler
by steelerfan19650511 on Dec 13, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
all you have is your memories
and your yellow blankie and your thumb to suck on.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
bengals have no memories of any Super bowl wins
Bengals super wins 0-2, who dey none. Steelers 6-1
Doug Fowler
by steelerfan19650511 on Dec 14, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
6 SUPER BOWL TROPHIES.
BENGALS HAVE NONE.
Doug Fowler
by steelerfan19650511 on Dec 14, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
they look really good. Not looking forward to that game
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
yeah. And Romo is 5-10 or something similar. Crazy.
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Viking fan here.
Just wanted to say that I’m confident you guys will bounce back and win your match-up next week. You’re going to the playoffs and with your style of play, anything can happen. This was like our game last week, only for you guys this week.
Good luck in the rest of the season, Bengal fans.
Brave man
Got from Switzerland to see the Bengals play Tennessee last season in Cincinnati.
The best thing was the strong winds!
Keep the faith.
yea i went to the one the year before where we actually won 35-6
and could throw the ball
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
lol hell yea!!!
i went to the last Bengals game here in Tennessee it was in 05 we won that one too. more Bengal fans there than titan fans but that was 05
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Prolly not
But as much as I hate to say it, I hope they do
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I do too but San Diego running all over them
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
desire for the play-offs make people do odd odd things
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Christmas wish list
Cut: L Coles, D Coats, S Graham, J Simpson (it’s a bust, we will live).
Contract extensions: J-Jo, L Hall, C Benson.
Draft: WR, S, QB, DL, OL.
Wish: R Kelly to return.
Thoughts?
I would say actually let Simpson play first
but agree with the rest and fire Marvin And Brat…..at least Brat
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
IDK bout that
not in first round
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
He was...
…active when Tennessee played v Cincy in Cincinnati last season (FitzPatrick as starter)
Lewis is safe
Got to sign Zampese long-term, he’s got value that Brat doesn’t have.
Zimmer’s gone, you’d think.
Simpson was?
he has 1 catch for 1 yard
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Lewis shouldnt be safe though...
he cannot manage the game
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I've been complaining about that for years, Tenn
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
you guys listening to the post game radio show?
http://www.1530homer.com/mediaplayer/?station=WCKY-AM&action=listenlive&channel_title=
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This was coming and has been for the last few weeks
Hadnt much faith of a win today.The penalties Brat and Lewis said they would concentrate on after the last two games….WTF..Hold on the kick return,false start on the first play….it didnt get any better,its also the 5th game on the trot that 85 has false sarted. For fuck sake. The passing game is completely gone. outside of Chad we got nothing, Caldwell should be starting coz Coles aint doing shit. We dont look like even trying to throw downfield,part of that is about the ropey pass blocking,but on those playaction passes, Carson isnt even looking downfield,all we get is checkdowns to Foschi and Coats. Why is that,Ive desisted from the notion carson is hurt but something doesnt look right.
5th straight game!!
IDK what is up with the passing game!!! plamer looks like he dont know how to play anymore…oh remember when we could throw at will? it was in 05,06,07, but its seems like decades ago…what happened to that Palmer? I dont think its the same Carson Palmer…there must be a Carson evil twin that is playing for him
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
QB's better than Carson
Manning, Brees, Brady, Rivers, Rodgers, and many more but he makes more than all of them…..and I dont understand why you pay a QB $100 million dollars if you are only going to throw 24 times a game!!! he has not thrown for 300 yards since 2007 vs Miami
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Hell
Even VY looks better than CP9 right now. Not saying I want VY, but the point is, VY wins games.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
CP is still a better all around QB than VY
But CP9 needs to make better decisions under pressure. Just because Ochocinco is the only receiver you trust, doesn’t mean you should throw to him in triple coverage when you should be throwing hot to Caldwell, Leonard, or Foschi.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
yeah he threw a ball to Chad when he was triple covered with another S coming in on the pass….
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
he was lucky on one that he under threw it
and like 3 picks that were dropped
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
somethings up with him. Up to the coaches to get it diagnosed and sorted
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Thats the Problem!!!
the coaches suck too
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
when has Marvin ever used his timeouts wisely?
when had Brat ever been unpredictable?
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'll tell you when those things have happened
After i smoke a few dutch masters sans tobacco
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
lol that means never
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
You got my point
Anyone who argues your point has to be smoking some good shit.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you
I say they both have to go
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you, even on ML
I could give a crap less if ML has the second most regular season wins in our history. Playoffs and Super Bowls are what really matter.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Because the owner says so...
…he survived last season and there never (seriously) was a question about him being fired.
It doesn’t make it right. It’s just as a statement.
The problem is you
need to fire the GENERAL MANAGER but wait — whoops — he’s the greedy scummy bastard that owns the team so he cannot be fired.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
They got talent
just not used correctly…they are just so predictable…they need to disguise there runs…they always stack the line on which side they will run I think they ran one time today out of 3 wide receiver set
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I can watch the games and tell what play is coming before they snap
even a guy called in on the radio and said the opposing team doesnt have to watch film
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
yea because we lost the games
but we cant be like this if we ever want to win a Super Bowl
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
the year started and they seemed to have ideas and plans for teams.. but it has come apparent they have spent all their mental ability planning for the AFC North.
Part of me thinks that Carson is worried about his knee, his elbow and his left hand.
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I agree Palmer is worried about something
he needs to step it up and play like 100 million dollars
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Not the worst loss
Bengals always seem to play shitty when there’s not much on the line. Hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and get a win in SDG, making this loss pretty meaningless.
there was alot on the line
Second seed, AFC North. San Diego winning right now
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
yea but if we win we are in the lead for second seed
we have to win to stay there
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
True
And in order to win, Brat and ML need to have the same fire as Zimmer.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
yea right
fire from those too? ha!!
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
two
epic fail…..Marvin and Brat have a job because we are winning barely…we have one game outright
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
omg i suck today like the Bengals
one=won
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Alright fellas
I’m out for now, gonna get fucked up and try to black out the game from my memory
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 13, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions
Sure...
…as Pittsburgh and Baltimore know.
We’re the best of an average lot. That’s what the record shows.
No we dont belong
this dude calling in on the radiio is happy with a winning season. “well this year people are interested” who cares!! im always interested!! i want a freaking championship not interest from bandwagoners
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The radio show...
…is the quick way to jumping off a very high building.
The Bengals got spanked today, but listening to this show is scary. SCARY!
Lets see what Simpson has
Henry getting injured has coincided with the passing issues. Teams will sit in a cover 2 and defend the short routes,We have nobody that can run threw that shell since slim went on IR. I keep hearing about Simpsons speed and raw talent well lets friggin see it.
Remember Henrys Rookie year 9 routes every time,left alot of mid and short routes open. Simpson can do this surely,I d have him in over Purify. He is in there due to his blocking and special teams but I didnt see much of that the last few games. Get Simpson in!!
by pilks1075 on Dec 13, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Can't they find a WR?
Henry’s injury has been a killer to the deep game, but it also doesn’t help that Coles is an absolutely worthless zero. I don’t think Carson even attempted a pass his way today, and I remember him totally whiffing on a block on a WR screen.
I remember they were talking to Joey Galloway a couple weeks ago. That old man can’t be worse than Coles. Could Simpson be any worse than Coles right now?
Hell, is there a semi-competant WR with speed on a practice squad somewhere?
And someone tell Carson to throw the ball deep ONCE in a while. I don’t care if it results in a pick. At least he tries…..heck, maybe they could draw a pass interference. It’s better than watching 60 percent passing and under 100 yards….Check Down Carson!
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
I agree
coles has been horrible, galloway would be better…so would Jerome
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
let him have a shot first
he looked really good in preseason…Coles needs CUT
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Palmer always calls audibles to running plays
he is scared to get hurt
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Cincinnati Bengals Radio Network
…if I’m in Cincinnati now, I’m lugging everything into a truck to move to Indiana.
It’s TOO painful (and it’s the official network).
Bengals are always hurting us making us feel terrible
or giving us heart attacks when we win
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was at this game...
There was not one shot taken deep. I repeat – Not one shot deep! Brat – Take a chance! It was very frustrating to watch. Defense actually played moderately well. Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall are incredible Cornerbacks to see in person. It was the offense that sputtered. I agree with Bengal Boy’s non-stop assessment that we need another deep threat on offense to open things up. Jerome Simpson, Come on Down!
I would say Simpson.
At least give him a chance. Coles should be cut next year, he’s not impressive in person. I agree, we need more WR threats
Yea coles has to go
we have to draft a good WR. not another Simpson who we wont use when we should use him
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Also,
Chad still has it. He is very good in person, and he was literally tripple teamed the whole game.
Brat is scared
he was scared to go for it on the 2 fourth downs down 13 in the 4th quarter….oh how the game wouldve changed. he was running the ball when we shoulda thrown..if your down 13 in the 4th quarter..you might want to hurry up and throw the ball not run and run out the clock. run run pass punt, run run pass punt
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
We need those billboards up around cincy
or the airplane over pbs with the banner like at training camp
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt
It was that last drive the vikings had that sealed the coffin. Our D is very good, but we can’t rely on them exclusively. At least give Carson a chance to throw the ball and make some plays.
yea you cant expect the defense to stop the mevery single time
especially when we keep going 3 and out
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
He is gonna get hurt coz of the playcalling and penalties
1st and 10 run…followed by a hold
1st and 15 run…3yd gain
2 and 12 short pass or run up the gut(if we get a big gain,there will be a hold..lol)
3rd and long….mmm I wonder whats coming….
that happened all game
I dont understand why we pay a guy that much if your only going to throw when you have too….24 times not enough
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Palmer doesnt even look downfield on his playaction passes
Coles and Caldwell cant seperate from the coverage. Housh couldnt either but his hands were money.
well not 100% on Caldwell. Several passes today Caldwell was open by Palmer only looks at Chad’s side of the field.
Also last game against the steelers Caldwell was wide open on a deep slant for what would have been a TD…. Carson threw it instead to a well-covered Chad.
Carson is staring down his receivers like a rookie
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
that’s his “i give up” check down…. which is fine. but the guy doesn’t work through his progressions like he used to.
Plus his passes to Leonard today were horrible. Almost got the guy killed by leading him into big hits
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
He got us this far
…further than last season.
The guy is missing R Kelly, TJ and even Chatman.
Look what he has to work with: Coats/Foschi, Caldwell and…
…not too many options.
he always gives up
Leonard has bailed out Plamer alot
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I agree,
Palmers got eyes for Chad, he clearly isn’t high on trusting his other receivers… other than the check down
you have to worry when Coats is the check down
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I noticed this on a 3rd down conversion to caldwell when winfield fell down.
Vikes were in a cover 2 and winfield fell down and the safety was gonna be way late coming over Chad was wide open another 5 -10 yds downfield. Carson had eyed Caldwell.most likely the primary guy in the play though.
Brat has to go
has too…remember our defense sucked a few years ago Brown had the balls to can Breshnahan
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Any news on Crocker
Cant loose him for the chargers,who i think we are built for..They cant run and our corners can handle their recievers. Hopefully Ced can get it done on the other side of the ball.
yea but i actually thought we had depth at the position
but Peko is sorely missed
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Tank is really inconsistent. One play he is unblockable… the next he takes a terrible angle or just wiffs.
Plus Sims is the same
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
they're relying on Dhani Jones keeping it together
Zimmer missed one big call tonite on a run play with Rey called up on the line
Rivers, not sure.
Defense held up
Again, our D was OK today. We mostly held AP in check. All the Vikes yards came off screens and slants. We missed Peko, but not as much as you’d think.
Cowboys
look abit like Bengals to be honest. 3 times inside the opps 25 yard line… 3 points scored
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions
Dallas
…don’t know how they’ve won 8 games this season.
They were tripe against Green Bay. Tripe again today.
is palmer hurt?
there were a few times he had protection and time to throw but he couldn’t pull the trigger on a deep pass… i know it’s not because guys were covered—he throws into coverage all the time. makes me think something is up…
oh well. we’re still in the hunt for the playoffs. i’m not going to get too upset that we lost—just HOW we lost. we need to cut the penalties. i hope for major improvement in this area before the playoffs.
the playcalling also bothers me.
He's never been on the injury list...
My guess is he’s been coached to keep it on a tight leash so far.
To Brat: Please take Carson off his leash!
I thought the Penalties would stop after 4 straight weeks of it
but that lands on the coaches after this much…they must be stressing something else during film….we have to start throwing better and not be so predictable…Benson is getting frustrated you can tell in his post game interview he was pissed
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I just want to see No9 unleash some lasers
We keep hearing the run sets up the big pass,it hasnt happened up to this point.Another thing though Carson is still a great player,people on here questioning him are probably the same one that were on his jock after the 1st Steelers and Ravens games.
that honestly sounds about right
they don’t even try the long bombs any more. Something must be wrong with Carson.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
yea he does
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
OMG we lost a game....
we’re done. let’s start looking at Mock Drafts. It’s over. We can’t pass. Palmer should be replaced. Leonard fumbled the ball so we should never give him the ball ever again. it doesn’t matter that Peko was out, and that Crocker left early.
3 yards and a pile of dust
it was sarcasm….i’m awaiting the Run haters
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Dec 13, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Brat must go
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
did u mention?
anything about Brat that he doesn’t know already (but he has a contract for next season, I presume)?
I like the run
but I like the pass to, we cant run all game vs the colts or the Patriots
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
you gotta love the run game… I just want the passing game to help it out by sustaining drives
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
we a have zero pass game
besides Leonard and Ocho
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
no disagreement there. Coaches need to sort out some better routes and ideas to get people open.
But the players have to take some flak for getting all those flags….
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
REMEMBER
On the Bengals website, they mention that for every 4 games, the plays change. You would need to be Houdini to see any change, Brat.
I would love to see a change
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
palmer 15-24 97 yards td
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
It's not the end of the world (you're right),
but the lack of composure/focus this team has right now is staggering. We have become very predictable on offense and while I thought our D did a decent job given the crap positions our O and ST put them in, we continually show an ability NOT to make the big play.
Someone alluded to our inability to stretch more than 20 yards down field, and this (more than anything else) kills us. Teams can now stack the box and stop us from imposing our will. It seemed to me that every time CP went back to throw, he had 0 options other than to scramble and force a pass or a check down. I don’t know if this can be remedied, but we have to be willing to try, or else we’ll crawl into the playoffs with the 4 seed and lose to the Broncos (again).
Momentum going into the playoffs means SO MUCH. We need to pick it up the final 3 weeks, or else it will be one-and-done.
So your thinking we are ok right?
I dont know man Palmer has been terrible since the Bears game
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
lol well game was like watching a festering wound being rubbed with salt. I think we are seeing where this team has holes some big some small.
Some currents are worrying and we seem to still struggle with professionalism and rookie mistakes.
It’s hard to feel good after watching that game but every Bengal fan loves the fact that losing CAN feel this bad because we know they can be so much better.
Plus mock drafts are fun anyway.
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
it's won a weakish division...
…but that’s not the fault of the defending SuperBowl winner and Baltimore (who never wanted to win a Superbowl when being Cleveland).
There’s no worry. Win in San Diego and all roads lead to Indy.
Agreed,people need to calm down. the Penalties were a joke though
Vikings average starting position was thier own 42 yd line.
yeah and we are a team that plays old-school field postion football so that really hurt.
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
go away
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Have fun losing at Pittsburgh in two weeks.
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
where ya been?????
we’ve been waiting for you
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Dec 13, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
you can bet we will run run pass
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
arent they the 26th team against the run? so at least our normal game plan will be more effective
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Charlie Weiss anybody?
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
you would rather have brat than weiss?
OMG seriously?
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
the guy is meant to have a massive ego (bigger than he and Mangini’s bellys put together)
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
We was good for the Patriots lol
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
He was good
Peter Griffin
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
He would not take the job
He wants to be a head coach. He’d want an organization where he could follow the New England model. In Cincy he’d be stuck working for that JOKE of a “general manager” Mike Brown.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
He knows he wont be a head coach in the NFL....not yet
5 teams are inquiring about him….Bengals may be one of them
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
The Juice
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
LOL I want Jerome
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
not a bit
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe they're just pretenders
like the Bengals are.
Rivers is pretty good QB and the Chargers have a pretty good team… I don’t think next week will be pretty.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
we got one more home game....the Chiefs
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
We go to Sandiego
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
and we have a terrible record in Cali
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
0-1 this year
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not likely to happen
this year. Not with this team.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
its bad when Palmer has more yards and carries than LJ
Palmer 4 carries 10 yards
LJ 3 for yards
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LJ 3 for 4 yards my bad
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
San Diego
doesn’t look so hot on offence at the moment.
Their better Special teams are a worry though
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:05 PM EST reply actions
there punting ST in particular are ON POINT
I think I heard that the Vikes didn’t start within their own 20 the ENTIRE GAME. Unacceptable.
Come back Herbert
yeah that was a great start to the second half! I bet Lewis made a massive speech about getting back into the game and then the Franchise kicker drops it
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it shows why he was on the scrap heap
He didn’t notice there’s no I in TEAM.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
but there is in WIN. haha love that saying
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
San Diego
Offense
- Brat: PRR, PRP, anything!
- more LJ next season (no Scott)
- time to find a second reception option
GET Simpson on the field
You dont need a great understanding to run an nine and leap up and grab it at its highest point
If I remember correctly, Henry had a LOT of mistakes his first year
but he still proved to be a DEEP threat. He was incredibly 1-dimensional. Yet, he gave our offense another wrinkle.
IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK. I really don’t care if he can block down field right now, you know. I’d just like to see some different play calling. Plus, he’s got more meat on Slim, so he HAS to naturally be a more durable player. Slim is like 6’3 175 soaking wet.
No word on that till prolly Wed
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
turf toe is really hard to get over for a RB. Hurts everytime you push off on your big toe. Can take a whole season before RBs are back to normal (hopefully not!)
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Cmon wise
you havent seen him play yet
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
my buddy went to WVU
and said chris henry is the dumbest person he’s ever encountered.
How f-ing hard can it be to learn a play book (or at least like 10 different routes). It’s not like they’re going to ask him to play all 3 downs every series…
well all that Henry runs is basically a 9-route and a fly-route. And the odd Fade
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
we tried to trade him before he got hurt
he prolly dont want to be here now
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
now that was a dumb move by mikey boy
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
who else is gonna go after Henry? I could see the Ravens going after him.
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
I dont want to trade him!!
I want him to stay…he is our best receiver I think
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
is he a FA or has he got one year left?
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Henry
Is a UFA if we have a CBA in 2010, or an RFA if we don’t have a CBA in 2010
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 14, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Lance point out
Palmer before the Henry injury: 229.7 ypg, 14 TD’s in 8 games. Since: 161.8 ypg and 3 TD in 5 games
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Jerome ;)
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
not from the inactive roster he wont
Play him. What has Purify done? Our Kick coverage aint any better without him
I know there is more to WR than that,but it aint hard to read a coverage
Give him two routes a main fly or post or a check down to a hitch
well you’d just teach him 9, 5 and 8 routes. Get him to use his speed and leaping ability to full use. Even if it takes one body and a safety away from Chad that’ll help the passing game
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
My fantasy team is balling in the playoffs
Jamal Charles…175 yards td and others are scoring like crazy!!!
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you got Charles too?
I did great with my team also. Thanks to Peterson, Andre Johnson, Ray Rice, and hopefully Britt.
and Brandon Marshall :)
Charles is a beast
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Simpson aint gonna save the season
But a deep threat will loosen up the underneath stuff. They are sitting on the short routes hence Carson having to throw to the back shoulder,high/low etc
Simpson ain't gonna be active for a game
unless Chad’s broken nose is a cracked skull.
We gotta face it that Simpson’s a bust. He is probably dumber than a stick if he still cannot figure out what it takes to get on the field. Teams give every possible advantage to a 2nd round draft pick.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
it will be on radio 700 wlw
it may be on atdhe.net
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Idiot on the radio now
“whats with the gloom and doom? we have 9 wins anbd are going to the playoffs!” another guy happy with a playoff birth
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I dont get these folks that are happy with just playoffs
I want a freaking Super Bowl!!!
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Watching SD Vs DAL
reminds me of the type of football we play. Tough and ugly. We might have a good chance in the game if we don’t have a repeat of the penaltys
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:25 PM EST reply actions
I don't think the Bengals are as good as the Cowboys
less than 100 yards passing in two of the last three games. The Bengals are doing an el-foldo. The only reason they’d make the playoffs is the KC game and the fact that the Stoolers and Ravens also were having off years.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
My thinking is that we should've used our O more to win these easier games b/c
now we are left with a crumbling defense. It’s called balancing your schedule. Where in the hell is this?
Jamarcus Russell
is back in for OAK. Grad is injured.
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:29 PM EST reply actions
who got hurt Ware?
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Rivers (Keith, not Philip)
What has happened to him? I thought he was our best D player last season. I could be wrong, but I don’t remember hearing his name ONCE today besides in the introductions. What’s up with him?
he just tackles plays solid d
nothing spectacular
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
When we drafted him
I thought he would be another Brian Simmons and thats where he is at right now. REy will be the Stud over the next few seasons
Rey needs to be at Mike
he is to slow for outside backer
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, didn’t have a good game when needed to tackle in space (but when drafting him we knew he’d have problems with getting to speed on proper outside angles)
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
he is too slow he cant cover the backers and tight ends
I saw him man coverage on slot receiver a few times not good. just imagine if Harvin was in the slot today…coulda been worse
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
he ripped through three blockers on one play to get to AD. But in Zimmer’s scheme the WILL is normally just a cover guy. He also put a massive hit on Bernard Berrian.
The guy just locks his guy/zone up…. Rey needs to watch how he plays in space
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
The bigman is moving.thumbs up after being carted off
Yep Ware fell head first into the pulling charger.
Ware
getting injured just killed the energy on the Dallas D
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 13, 2009 6:39 PM EST reply actions
We played our worst game vs Minn
Oakland and Denver most heartbreaking…and Houson was just we didnt man up
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
we just imploded today
did you hear me on the radio? i was saying i want to win a super bowl!!
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oakland game was the worst
because they had a decent lead and then went into full-on sucking mode.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 13, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
K have fun and go bearcats beat xavier
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