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Bengals Banter: Feeling no confidence that the Cincinnati Bengals can compete in the playoffs

No, no. Sunday's loss to the Minnesota Vikings didn't have major playoff implications. It wasn't as if beating the Minnesota Vikings opened the only road into the 2009 playoffs. And even though the San Diego Chargers beat the Dallas Cowboys to take a one-game lead over the Bengals for the second seed in the AFC, Cincinnati could win next Sunday and take over that second seed.

So in the grande scheme of things, Sunday's loss to the Vikings really is meaningless. Right?

OK, that's out of the way.

Let me ask you this. After watching the Vikings win all three phases of the game the way they did Sunday, how confident are you right now that the Bengals will beat the Chargers, or any playoff team? Can the Bengals compete against the Indianapolis Colts? The Denver Broncos? The New England Patriots? Are they one and done in the playoffs?

So say I'm not confident right now would be an understatement. The Bengals played the best team they've faced this year and they choked. They wrecked their brand new car on a clean dry road. You can not claim to be a playoff football team and commit twice as many penalty yards (35) than total yards on offense (16) in the first quarter against another playoff-bound team. You can not claim to be a good football team when you allow the opposing team to start at their own 38-yard line. You can not claim to be a good football team when you allow the other team five straight scores. You can not claim to be a good football team when you fumble the football right before half time, giving the opposing team a free shot at three more points.

But it's the Minnesota Vikings. They're pretty good. That's exactly my point. How good are we when we have to lay an excuse out there because the Bengals were smoked by a team that had only recorded one more win this season when the two teams faced? Where did we stack up against them? We were kicked to the curb. Told like dogs to sit and stay.

Normally, I'd write this off as just having a bad game. I'd say, "oh, don't worry about it, we'll rebound." And perhaps we will. However, I don't have the confidence that we're anywhere near being a competitive playoff-bound football team. Can the Bengals offense go a complete half without committing penalties that often stall drives? Can the Bengals actually pass the football for over 100 yards when the running game is ineffective? Can the Bengals actually score in the red zone?

You can quote how this is a passing league, and toss gaudy passing numbers to everyone as an indication of what it takes to be successful in this league, this year. To me, that's not the point. To me, a passing offense has to be effective and efficient. And since beating the Chicago Bears 45-10, this passing offense isn't effective. It's embarrassing. It's depressing. Let's face facts. The way Cincinnati is playing right now, if the Bengals fall behind by two scores, they're in trouble.

You can ignore Sunday's loss because in reality, it means little in the playoff picture. But you can't ignore that gut in your feeling that this team isn't built for a run in the playoffs. You can't ignore that feeling in your gut that you have no confidence, the pessimistic view of what was Cincinnati football during the 90s is reaching another boiling point. OK, a bit over-dramatic. But you feel it too, don't you?

So go ahead, call me spoiled. I'm not happy about a 9-4 football team that's still bound for the playoffs. I really don't mind. I think I am spoiled. Then again, would we be fans if we weren't spoiled, expecting this team to at least come out and play their asses off with the perception that they believe they can win and translate that into good football?

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To me, Wyche presents the best description of the Cincinnati Bengals. He accurately writes, "There is an incredible aura around the Bengals that the trap door is just one step ahead and this franchise isn't aware or nimble enough to avoid it."

Cincinnati's offense, though, is like watching a lumberjack trying to saw down a Redwood with a butter knife. The Vikings' defense is good, really good, but the Bengals -- other than Benson running like a man on a mission -- made things relatively easy for them by taking no downfield shots in the passing game and showing minimal creativity.

It's throwback football for sure, which is fine. But when you fall behind by 16 points against a really good team, throwforward football might come in handy.

John Thornton is calm. He writes "I am convinced more than ever that Marvin Lewis needs to shake this team up.  Shake em up or wake em up, something has to happen."

Paul Daugherty believes that by the second round in the playoffs, the Bengals will be watching on TV.

Chick Ludwig writes, "I was looking for poise. I was looking for consistency. I was expecting a victory. The Bengals delivered none of the above."

The realist in me says that Joe Reedy's post-game grades were spot on. The fan in me thinks that his grades were a bit generous.

Clark Judge wrote:

As our correspondent, Darren Wolfson, pointed out, Joseph "put on a clinic" against his former teammate. Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis once told me he thought Joseph was one of the top cornerbacks in the league, and he just might be right.

Dave blows off the loss to the Vikings.

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i'd say i'm pretty spoiled...

especially because i tried to set myself up for disappointment because in the offseason. i told myself i would be happy with a winning season and a playoff appearance. those two have been granted to me so i really can’t get too down if we lose our first playoff game. right? WRONG… now i’m saying, “just win one playoff game… please just one.” i will feel cheated if we lose our first game.

conversely, when i take a step back and look at how remarkable it is that we went on to have a winning season after 4-11-1, i’m pleased with the progress we made and hope it can translate into long term success. if we turn out to be ‘one and done’ in the playoffs, i hope to GOD we aren’t ‘one and done’ in the grand scheme… meaning ‘one good year and back to our losing ways’. that would make me angrier than a playoff loss.

by GrooveLeg on Dec 14, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Well I may not be welcome here

As a Viking fan, but I see your loss the same way I saw our loss to Pheonix last week. You lost to a good team, that does not make you a bad team. For some reason we out schemed you on Sunday. The same way the Cards beat the snot out of us.

The Bengals have a GREAT defense your secondary is the best I’ve seen all year. Your run defense is also solid and would be even more so if peko was in. You had a bad passing day but look who you were playing. We do very well on QB’s who have a hard time reacting to the blitz. (this would be pretty much all QB’s except Warner, Manning and Brady. Well Brees too :p) So Palmer had a bad day next time your coach will work past that.

I guess what I’m stating is don’t give up hope you have a solid team.

by Grime on Dec 14, 2009 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

RE:

Well, there is recent history here. We lost to Oakland, beat the Lions by 10 points the Browns by 12 points combined in two games. We’ve had a GREAT season. But we’re losing our steam right now and that’s a BIG concern right now.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Dec 14, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Bad loss

But, the game this week is much more important. To be honest, I am a tad worried about the WR corps and the passing game. My conspiracy theory consists of Carson having re-injured his elbow. Hopefully this is untrue and the playcalling has just called for no long throws for other reasons.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Dec 14, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Didn't think about that reinjury of elbow thing

but even when he showed evidence of arm strength in the beginning of the season, it eemed like he was still below par on the long ball. I recall a few underthrown deep passes.

by featherman on Dec 14, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He didn't reinjure his elbow...

I don’t remember a play to where that thought even crossed my mind. I honestly think it’s that by the time Brat calls a freaking passing play, Carson’s arm is cold by then and almost rusty. Secondly, the offensive scheme is so obvious to defenses, and it’s so obvious that an offense is gonna call a pass play on 3 and long that it’s hard to convert on those downs we consistently put ourselves in.

by Striped Buckeye on Dec 14, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

LOUSY LOUSY LOUSY!

I don’t know how any of us Bengal fans who watched that game can have any confidence in the offense! Carson Palmer passed for 90 something yards THE WHOLE DAMN GAME! The defense can’t carry their sorry asses all year long. Why in the world did we pay Coles all that money for? He’s all but disappeared,and for all that money he’s making, I could do as good of a job as he is doing “NOTHING”! For as much as Housh ran his mouth and complained, he was there in the clutch. You could at least depend on him. Just admit like I have done that we should’ve resigned him. Guaranteed he would have done more than" take the money and disappear Coles"! Sorry i’m gonna say this but, unless they do something drastic with this passing game, we’re gonna be one and done in the playoffs! That’s even if we get there because i’m not so sure we are not gonna collapse in these last few games!

by dmac1 on Dec 14, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

certainly many things to be concerned about

again though, the bengals don’t always come to play unless there’s something serious riding on a loss. The bengals can compete with some of the playoff teams though. I think we could beat denver or baltimore if we ended up facing them. Baltimore is looking more and more like a playoff team, look at the schedule for the remaining 7-6 teams! Theirs is the easiest. We beat Green Bay on the road as well.

However, I don’t think the bengals can compete with the veteran teams like Minnesota, Arizona, New Orleans, Indy, and New England. It’s gonna be tough next week and in the playoffs! I’ll be happy with a home playoff game though. I think, with our defense is much more complete than the 2005 team, and will be competitive for several years to come.

by cokane on Dec 14, 2009 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

unless Mikey Boy lets Zimmer walk..

If we let Zimmer leave and keep Brat my head might explode. We should already be signing a petition for his firing at the end of the year.

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Dec 14, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm optimistic

My goal for the season is to see the Bengals make the playoffs and win their first playoff game. If they get crushed 42-7 in their second playoff game, I’ll be okay.

This team needs another wide receiver for Palmer to trust and offensive line that can give the QB time to throw. Also, a good tight end. These seem to me to be fillable holes. The passing game doesn’t seem so dysfunctional that it needs to be razed and a new system built anew. It looks like there is a legitimate path to fixing things.

The team isn’t perfect, but it is still a good, play-off quality team. Maybe there wouldn’t be as much complaining if this were a wild card team that had split two games with the Steelers and Pittsburgh sitting at 11-2, because then it would feel like the team was solid but not overrated.

Just, please, don’t go playing Marty Brennaman to the Bengals’ Adam Dunn,

by LooseCannon on Dec 14, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

Passing Game

I remember Carson admitting a couple of weeks ago that not having Chris Henry anymore is definately hurting the passing game. He then also relished about how Maurice Purify is a big strong, fast threat that is more ready than Jerome Simpson. If that’s the case, why the hell isn’t Purify coming in more? All he needs is one big game and defenses will start noticing and worrying about him; at least enough to where they aren’t loading up the box knowing we’re gonna run it 2 out of 3 downs.

by Striped Buckeye on Dec 14, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

Something is definitely wrong.

The Offensive line was reason for concern early this year but has played over its head. Now the O Line has returned to earth and just can’t stand still.

All those penalties remind me of my nephew’s high school team. Penalties in the volume we are seeing just should not happen at the Pro level. But I don’t think all of our issues are the O Line’s fault. We certainly are missing Henry and Who’s Your Mamma. When Chad, Henry and Housh were in there, the Bengals were a real threat.

If Palmer is ailing, which it certainly looks like something is wrong, we won’t beat San Diego and maybe not even the Jets.

One final thing, Chad 85, he has done great job this year. That guy can catch almost anything thrown his way.

by CalBob on Dec 14, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

the penalties bother me

but i’ll give them a SLIGHT pass for yesterday. that dome is unreal loud and can affect communication. and the late hit on rey, I kind of thought he got caught up with the guy. it wasn’t like he drove him to the ground, it looked like he was tripping over him. i think 3 or 4 penalties would have been acceptable, but not as many as they had.

i personally just don’t see why it’s so difficult to put purify or simpson in the game to run go routes. even as a decoy.

by brandone on Dec 14, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

Peter King's not concerned about the Bengals:

“Bengals got what they deserved at the Metrodome, playing without the inside push of defensive tackle Domata Peko. But it’s not a disastrous loss, more a predictable one.”

by IFChris on Dec 14, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

Perhaps, but he gets paid A LOT to talk about football....

More than Josh or I make anyway. I guess that means his opinion is respected.

:)

by IFChris on Dec 14, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Sad part is

every monday morning at 8 am i read his column like clockwork. I guess I respect his work as a journalist. But he says some awful douchey things a times.

by Kabash on Dec 14, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t read his articles since he said that Porter shouldn’t be suspended forr jumping Levi Jones because it would hurt the Dolphins to much. I then realized he was a douche and stopped reading his work.

by jim0ijk on Dec 14, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's not put a bullet in this season just yet.

The 2000 Baltimore Ravens went 5 consecutive games without a touchdown. Amazing even for a bad team. – They won the Super Bowl.

The 2003 Panthers went 11-5 but were 1-3 against teams with winning records; the teams the beat had a collective .397 winning percentage; they averaged 20.3 pts per game (same as Bengals this year) – Went to the Super Bowl.

The 2007 Giants limped into the playoffs going 4-4 in the second half and got blown out at home 41-17 by the Minnesota vikings. – They, of course, won the Super Bowl.

by Evil Monkey on Dec 14, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

A Lot is WRONG as I've posted before....

1. Poor offensive output. Under 20 points per game will not get you anywhere in the playoffs.
2. BAD offensive penalties. How about bringing back a referee to train the Bengals how to avoid penalties. It worked about 5 years ago.
3. An offensive line that does not give Carson pass protection.
4. Bad offensive plays.

Having said all this- I can’t be more happy. We’ve gone from winning 3 games to winning 9-10 games this season. If we can win 9-10 every year, no one would complain!

by rapher on Dec 14, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

It's never too late to turn things around.

Comments from an Australian Bengals fan…

The good thing is that the Bengals can see what deficicies they currently have, and try to address them. Plenty of games left to get the passing game working working before the playoffs, even if they do drop a few more games in the process,

Would like to see Coles gone, or pushed down to 3rd reciever, as he is just not producing. That said I don’t think we have a decent WR capable of helping us on the field.

All that said, I have enjoying seeing us have a winning season, much better than the losing ones we have endured.

by Dogs Of War on Dec 14, 2009 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

i kind of expected the performance i saw from the vikings after their debacle against arizona; let’s hope we see that same kind of fire from our guys this week.

also, i’m still pissed off that they called j-joe for unnecessary roughness for walking in the general direction of a guy.

while all you heard about was j-joe’s performance in the game, it’s more impressive that the only time you really heard leon’s name was on the pick, because that means he did his job so well that favre didn’t even test him. on the other plus side, without peko or crocker in there, we held ad to under 4 yards per carry, which is pretty impressive.

other than a few flashes of competence, this game was classic bratkowski, and that’s not a compliment.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Dec 15, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

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