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Offensive Offense

If it wasn’t clear enough, it certainly is clear now. The Bengals have problems on offense.  The hand wringing and hair pulling have come to a new intensity since the Vikes game.

So what is the problem?

1. Lack of a deep threat.  Although this is a common complaint, I don’t see it as the problem.  Although the loss of Chris Henry (a veteran receiver) hurts, he wasn’t a huge factor in the offense up until his injury (he was our #4 receiver, caught 12 balls in 8 games with 2 TDs, granted he had a gaudy 19 ypc, but take away his one 73 yard catch and his longest catch is 20 yards and his average drops to a pedestrian 13.5 ypc)—make no bones, Slim is nice to have-- but not something that makes me think his loss accounts for the offensive falloff.  Moreover, there is nothing that says the guys we have at WR could not be a deep threat if we chose to use them as such. Clearly, Chad can do it, and probably the two fastest guys on the team are Andre Caldwell and Quan Cosby.  So I don’t think the loss of Henry is the problem, which moves me to….

2. Bratkowski.  We all know that Bratkowski loves to slug it out in the trenches and hates passing. Except for the seasons 2006-2007, when he passed all the time and never ran the ball.  In other words, I am pretty confident that Brat is aware of this thing called a passing game.  It seem like a lot of folks think that there is some sort of “passing game switch” which Brat just seems to refuse to flick—having a good passing game is as simple as wanting a good passing game—just throw whoever out there, have them run deep patterns, and start chucking it down field—it will eventually work.  I don’t think it’s that easy.  I am not arguing that Brat is the most creative OC in the world, and I agree that some play action on 1st down might make a little sense every now and again.  Also finding more creative ways of getting guys open and concealing our play call would be good (that pass to Ochocinco on the fake reverse was great—more stuff like that) But the offensive problems are deeper than that.  There is no conspiracy or secret play book that he is waiting to dust off in the playoffs.  In my opinion, Brat is actually doing decent with what he has to work with—which leads me to…

3. Palmer.  Palmer’s done right? He’s hurt, can’t make a pass, etc.  Again, I don’t think so. I know he’s got a bad thumb which is a bit of problem, but Palmer looks more mobile and healthier than he has in years.  Granted sometimes his passes are a little off, but I would explain that in two ways.  One, his timing and chemistry with Coles and Caldwell just isn’t what it was with Housh. Two new receivers compared to one seasoned veteran that had years of experience with Palmer doesn’t add up.  The other is…

4. Lack of passing options beyond our WRs.  Now we’re getting warm.  We all know we have no TE.  At least with the moving of Coffman to IR, we can’t engage in the self torture of wondering why he isn’t on the field.  What deprives us of a deep threat is that teams can play a cover 2 and match up easily with our personnel. On a running downs, it’s pretty obvious, we send in an extra lineman and pull out a WR. (Stack the box, cover two).  On passing downs, we pull one lineman and the RB and put in two WRs.  (Nickel package, double team Chad, blitz a LB) Talk about telegraphing your play.  With a TE and RB that are pass catching threats, you can get those mismatches that are the basis of a good passing offense. When Palmer was in his prime in 2005, we had Kelly and Perry and could flood the field with guys that are bigger and/or faster than the opposition and defenses had no idea whether we were running or passing on any given down. We can’t do that right now.  Which leads me to the deeper problem…  

5. The offensive line. Ooh, it’s getting hot in here. For the past several years our offensive line has been in decay. It became obvious in the years 2006-2007 when our running game began breaking down and Palmer was getting sacked more. Last year it was atrocious. We seem to be on an upswing, but our line is still weak.  In 2004-2005, Palmer inherited an offensive line packed with top round draft picks and that had played together for about 3 years.  This offensive line is mostly 1-2 year guys, many of whom have never started before this season and are cast offs from other teams.  Our one first round pick is just getting integrated into the line. Anyone who was paying attention at the beginning of year should have known that our offensive line was the source of potential problems. I will concede that Alexander has worked wonders with running game. By using jumbo and unbalanced packages, he has been able to out muscle opponents and to open up holes for a resurgent Cedric Benson.  However, jumbo packages don’t work on 3rd and long. Although Dennis Roland in motion is cute on a running play, I don’t want to see him in the flat (although he may be better than Coats.) The Bengals seem okay on quick slants and curls which only require Palmer to be in the pocket for a second, however, any passing play that requires development past a couple seconds and that pocket is collapsing faster than Obama’s approval ratings.

So what is to be done? Unfortunately, many of the Bengals problems lay in the “personnel” category and therefore aren’t fixable in the immediate.  The line will get better and I think Palmer will get more chemistry with his receivers, but no TE is going to magically appear and progress will be slow. 

There are some things that are correctable and if attended to, will allow the Bengals a deep play-off run.  I do think the Bengals have to come up with ways to conceal their play calling and mix it up a little. But I think with our personnel, there are pretty severe limits. But that’s not the real issue. First and foremost, we are a defensive team. We have a great defense, not elite just yet, but getting there. So we can win games by keeping the score low and winning the field position battle. Like it or not, we are a running team. So I say ram it down their throats—4 yards in a cloud of dust. That approach will work-- if you only have to gain 10 yards to get a first down. However, once its 1st and 15, we have a problem. The Bengals are ranked 29th in penalties, averaging a little over 7 a game.  When you are trying to win with ball control and field position, false starts and penalties on kick returns will kill you. It stops the clock, almost ensures a third and long, and you end up having to drive 80 yards instead of 60.  This is something which is self-inflicted and it must stop.  When the Bengals only have to get ten yards for a first down, we actually do pretty well. Watching us against Minnesota was case in point. Our first few drives, our offense was moving the ball, but somehow we ended up going backwards due to penalties. On the one touchdown drive, however, we didn’t commit a single penalty.  Not a coincidence.  Additionally, we need to improve our turnover differential and that mostly lies at the feet of the offense.  Our offense isn’t going to score beaucoup points, but one way to even things out is by making sure we don’t give the opponents any extra chances and making the most of the ones we have.

It’s been an exciting year, and I’d love to see the Bengals get a home playoff game and win one or two and make it to the Big Show.  I think they can do it by improving their offensive efficiency through eliminating penalties and turnovers.

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nice analysis

I agree with everything you’ve said. I give you a +1 on your evaluation of the O-line: It probably is at the root of the teams offensive passing woes and our propensity to run. It is probably the reason we can’t use our no-huddle consistently (that and we have only one functional tight end (you know block,run and catch).

by featherman on Dec 14, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

I still don't know why we can't run SOMEONE deep

These WRs are can run 50 yards balls to the wall and take at least one or two guys with them to cover? No one is fast enough?

I don’t think we lined up with 4 WRs at any point during the game yesterday.

Send all 4 of them as fast as they can go, then one of them crosses midfield, one of then button hook, and the other two have a decent chance of getting one step ahead of their D. At the very least, it gets them spread out a bit.

by UpStateMike on Dec 14, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

We could call the play "Frat Party Slut"

…because that’s how fast Palmer will be on his back. ;)

by goffchile on Dec 14, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly. you can only throw deep if you have time to throw deep.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Dec 15, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 15, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I like your analysis of the O line as well, but I actually think our Pass Protection is okay. I agree its not great, but its at least average. Unless Brat knows something we don’t about the O line (ie, it’s actually horrible), I think that this is largely a playcalling situation. Brat should find new creative ways to open up the playcalling, other than unbalanced lines. Defenses have keyed in that we don’t have deep threats (expect Ocho). We simply aren’t throwing it down field… AT ALL, and I think its less on the line and more on Brat.

by The Dealio on Dec 14, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

I think Brat does know something we don't know...

…namely that our offensive line is not that adept at pass protection. Calling more passes isn’t going to change that.

by goffchile on Dec 14, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

WR

I think if this is a personnel issue, its on the WR’s (and TE’s) more than it is on the O line. They’ve moderately to bad (outside of chad) this year.

by The Dealio on Dec 15, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

earlier in the season, a lot of the success in the passing game came from bratkowski masking the line’s ineffectiveness against the pass by rolling out carson and moving the pocket; more of that is needed to be successful passing the ball.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Dec 15, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

To back up my point...

We are …

10th in fewest QB hits
9th in sacks

6 in total rushing yards
3 in attempts
22nd in yards per rush

Now, if we passed more those numbers would be worse. But to me, its clear we don’t have very balanced playcalling… at least not awful and have come into our last four games with a run it down your throat strategy. Anyways, all this is to say that I’m on the fire Brat bandwagon at the moment. If we put up 50 next week, maybe I’ll change my mind. Until then…

by The Dealio on Dec 14, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

Do I hear a backhanded compliment to Brat--

—our sacks of been kept low by his game plan. We don’t get sacked much because we don’t pass that much and when we do its a three steps and fire.

by goffchile on Dec 14, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw alot of whiffed blocking by the O line

I don’t care if Usain Bolt signs tomorrow, if we don’t pick up our blocking assinments it ain’t gonna help. I think the jig is up. the reason Henry was our 4th receiver before the arm was by the time he got to the top of his route, Carson would have been on his back. I think this young line has done a good job, but they are not thoroughbreds. If you can’t pass protect you better be a check down, quick passing run first team. sound familiar?

by steve whodey on Dec 14, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

Agree--

Whitworth did a reasonably good job against Allen, but when Palmer is pressured it typically comes from a stunt or delayed blitz up the middle. It is poor reads and poor teamwork by the O-line. Cook is an improvement over Ghiacuac for certain, but between Williams, Mathis and Cook, they need to improve on helping each other out and picking up the stunts.

by goffchile on Dec 14, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Goffline The O line if fine your logic isnt

The very second Henrys arm snapped The offensive train wreck started..He was beyond crucial , he was the only thing we threw at Defenses that was a threat other then Chad. He was hurt but still picked up huge first downsi n the comebacks and forced D’s to scheme entirely diffrently. History will showh the demise of this team was to activate two WRS that will be out of football within 2 years. Cosby and Purify are comedy acts and bring off the street kind of special teams value and nothing else. We need to either give Jerome a chance or sign a Free agent that could stretch the field. Speed doesnt make you a deep threat its the abilty to creat space downfield that does. They have caught ZERO balls all year combined. No other NFL roster is like this!
The reason Palmer is getting rushed is that their isnt an offensive line in football that can hold up to what he is now seeing and will continute to see if they dont make changes. If an NFL D can ignore the TE and single cover the 2 of the 3 wideouts you will be blitzed and pressured to death. Our running game has suffered as well and we have zero rushing tds by a RB in 6 games.. its unheard of. the fact is Mike Zimmer and his D prevented this team from being 3-10 right now. We have three weeks to see if The braintrust gets Palmer and the D the help it needs

by BENGAL BOY on Dec 14, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They weren't even using Henry as a deep threat...

…when he was healthy. 11 of his twelve catches were 20 yards or less. A deep threat is only qualifies as a “threat” if its credible…meaning you have to protect your quarterback long enough to let the receiver get open, which takes about 3-4 seconds, about 2 seconds too long for our line. Throwing long bombs to the unknown quantity that is Jerome Simpson isn’t going to change that. I’d love to see what Jerome can do, but if he was “all that” I’m sure he’d be on the field.

If your argument is for lack of targets, I agree. No TE, no pass catching RB—spells trouble. But I don’t think its about Henry’s role as a deep threat.

by goffchile on Dec 14, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

your wrong...

In the beginning the Defenses were playing safeties way back which was helping our run game. It help our WR, slot/possession receivers to get open in the middle and our Oline did a better job b/c of the confusion the Defense had. That is not happening right now. If you remember, Henry broke his arm going to the middle 20 yards out. Something that wasn’t expected by the Defense. But caught a 73 yard catch too in a game. They used him as a deep threat all of the time but didn’t throw to him often. We were more balanced b/c of Henry and it showed. And a Deep threat qualifies as a deep threat when the Defense doesn’t know if they are going to throw to that guy. He’s a threat! Awww shit is it or isn’t it a bomb, or is he running a middle route. Do you know?

by WHYUS!! on Dec 14, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is..

…that there is no reason why Caldwell couldn’t be used in a similar manner. He’s good size and fast and if the purpose is to run off defenders, I am sure he is capable of doing that. My issue is I suspect that there are other reasons why we aren’t stretching the field—namely our offensive line.

by goffchile on Dec 14, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

its all about the targets we have

Caldwell is not "fast " and was used as a possesion reciever in Florida as well. Speed is not the only thing that makes someone a deep threat you have to be able to get open , jump, use your body and plain out be able to run. Palmer had all day when Henry was in the lineup against some good defenses. Its not hard to connect the dots. The D schemes have changed against us since he has gone. You get a free agent and start sending him on Deep routes things will change. Since Brown is too deep you have to at least give Simpson a shot..He can do no worse then Maurice Pure Painful to watch Fy

by BENGAL BOY on Dec 14, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You need somebody that is going to draw two DB's and not one.

That is what somebody like Henry can do, even though he doesn’t get thrown to that much. Defenses know that about Henry, but Caldwell will only draw one DB, until he beats one on a regular basis on deep routes. It’s not going to happen. He plays the slot position, completely different. Simpson plays the same position as Chad and has that deep ball threat, but we need him to play a Henry’s position for right now. I think, that is the problem with Simpson right now. They are grooming him for Chads spot and don’t want to confuse him. But that doesn’t make any sense either. Neither does anything else….

by WHYUS!! on Dec 14, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Demise?

“History will showh the demise of this team”

Really, You jumping off the bandwagon that early Bengal Boy? Child Please!

by The Dealio on Dec 15, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember

The Vikes have the #1 pass rush in the league, thats not a coincidence. Again, I don’t think the O line is great, but they’re not that bad…

by The Dealio on Dec 15, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

O-line

Just face it Carson is as slow as a snail. He has been in the league long enough to be able to read defenses. And honestly the times that palmer has audibled to another play other than what Brat has called, never , i repeat never works. Why is it that when Peyton audibles it seems to work??

by James Schmid the great on Dec 14, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

Because Peyton has a viable backup play from the same players and the same formation (or similar enough). Palmer doesn’t.

Sean Payton has supposedly multiple hundreds of plays on his play sheet he waves around. Supposedly. Not sure if that’s true or not. But the actual number of formations they have? Probably around 30 or 40. Every single formation they have has at least three, often five or more, plays that can be run out of it.

We have a formation, and we can run one, maybe two plays out of it. And then there might be two more ideas that are possible but never work for some reason.

I think the original article is part right. We do need our O-Line to improve quite a bit before we can have a good passing offense again. But at the same time, there are things we could be doing even with less-than-ideal personnel to at least try to confuse the opponent and at least get our passing offense up to mediocre (which would probably be good enough to win at least one playoff game, maybe even two), and we don’t seem to be trying it.

Unless Brat is saving his two good ideas for the postseason so they don’t show up on tape before then — which I doubt — then it looks like they just don’t care enough to try. And that always draws the ire of fans.

by FriarBob on Dec 15, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Correction. Sorry, Sean will have a formation and there are three our four TYPES of plays that can be run out it, each with another 10 or so variations. But almost every formation they line up in has a pass, run, play action, and even in some cases a trick play “main” variation on it.

So far as I can tell at least, we don’t seem to have anything even remotely close to that.

by FriarBob on Dec 15, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

there are things we could be doing even with less-than-ideal personnel to at least try to confuse the opponent and at least get our passing offense up to mediocre


Yup. And this is why it’s really not the line’s fault, or Palmers, or the passing targets. Hmmm….who does that leave????

The variations should have been getting some airtime during the 3 “gimmies”. Instead, they went for the boring, predicatable, run it down your thoat and burn the clock approach. Well we won 66.6% of them, but now there’s no time for testing variations except against the Vikings and Chargers. Oh man.

by UpStateMike on Dec 15, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The Defensive schemes against the Bengals have been pretty much the same ALL year….Two deep safeties with zone coverage underneath. The Bengals have gone out there every week with the same game plan regardless of the defensive scheme. The plan is to run the ball at all costs. Now call it what you want and blame Brat all you want (which I love to do as well) but that is the strategy they are going with and frankly they are 9-4. Bottom Line. Will it continue to work? Who knows. But for the most part it HAS worked NINE times this year.

Even when Henry was in there he wasn’t running many deep routes. Most of his routes were 10-20 yards. The reason being that there have been two safeties deep pretty much every game. Therefore the mid-passing game has been the most available and thats why Carson’s longest throws tend to be 15 yards every game.

Now I agree that with Henry gone the offensive scheming has changed slightly and has affected the running game. On 1st and 2nd down you can no longer use 3 receiver sets with Henry, Chad and Coles as a decoy and still run the ball. Now on 1st and 2nd down you consistently see big formations with Roland in motion and Foschi, Coats or Jeremi in the backfield. At that point, the defense does not need to play two safeties deep because it will CLEARLY be a running play. However, on our all to common 3rd and long plays, the safeties once again drop and the deep ball is completely taken away.

Take notice that our receivers do not even run deep routes. It is VERY VERY RARE these days. Odds are that if Simpson is even called up he too will NOT be called upon to run deep routes. First off, it just is not there to begin with. Second, on third and long, its a blitzing situation, and Carson will not have time to make that read. Third, Simpson is not known as a polished route runner so what makes anyone think he can even get separation???

THe O-Line definitely has not been perfect, but they have provided ample time on a number of occasions and Palmer just can not find the open receiver. However, Palmer has been flushed out of the pocket way too often. The problem with being flushed out is that it completely takes away one half of the field.

Bottom line, no single person can be blamed for the offensive troubles. The O-Line has been adequate on passing plays at best. They keep the number of sacks low, but the pocket has consistently collapsed. The receivers must do a better job of getting separation at the line b/c from the looks of it there will always be two deep safeties roaming out there. Brat must get more unconventional in his calls (Chad’s flare td catch against Vikes was an excellent play, need to see more of that) and he must mix it up on 1st and 2nd down. WAY TOO PREDICTABLE as always.

Talk of a lack of a deep threat is ridiculous. EVERY receiver on the roster CAN be a deep threat. Are Coles and Caldwell mostly possession receivers. Yes. But can they be sent long. YES. Will a defensive secondary honor a deep route regardless of who is running the route? OF COURSE!! Deep routes just don’t fit into the run-oriented, ball control style football that the team is utilizing right now.

by bengal fan from new york on Dec 15, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

Given All of Palmer's struggles this year, and we've all been upsetted by it

And yes, he can do better. I’ve even been extremely critical of his play(even going as far as saying that he’s starting to look like Bledsoe). But, I’m still gonna blame Brat. run run pass punt is making CP9 look like an average QB. We should try to work in short to mid range routes(such as slants, curls, posts) on either first or second down to mix it up a little. It will also get Palmer in a rhythm which you need to be to throw a deep ball. It will also give our O-line pass protection experience. We can’t only throw on 3rd and longs and expect to have a good passing attack, much less make a deep playoff run. The difference between run run pass punt 09 and run run pass punt 08 is that we actually have a back who will catch the checkdowns and fight for a first down. I’ve been wondering where the PA pass has gone this year. It works most of the time when we do see it, but those times have been few and far between. Everything that is wrong with the Offense is in my eyes an indictment of Brat, and to a lesser extent Marv, because Marv allows Brat to roll with the same plan week after week without adjustments. Lack of creativity is what’s wrong, not the power run.

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 16, 2009 2:05 AM EST reply actions  

Time to pick it up

Way too many penalties, no offensive rhythm, and no excuses when this team has Cedric Benson AND Larry Johnson on its roster…time to focus, and find someone who can call offensive plays that are not offensive…it’s not rocket science to be able to get into a groove…but they’ve gotten into an offensive rut…

by Russell6 on Dec 21, 2009 9:43 AM EST reply actions  

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