Is Bengals offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski on the hot seat?
This isn't a report based on any other factual reports that are related to the subject. This is merely speculation based on the team's poor passing performances, as well as items during the last offseason. This is speculation and debate and take it as such.
I'm of the school that you can only blame coaches and coordinators so much before you look at the players. Are they executing? Why so many false starts? What about that missed block on second-and-ten that put the Bengals offense in third-and-14? What about the missed call by Carson Palmer, who misread a presnap adjustment against defensive schemes?
At the same time, coordinators and coaches put their players in a position to win. And if the Bengals coaching staff isn't putting their players in a position to succeed, then it's time to change the mind set from the players back to coaches.
So the question is: Is Bob Bratkowski putting his offensive players in a position to succeed? Let's give credit where it's due. The Bengals offense ranked inside the top-ten between 2005 and 2007. In four seasons, between 2004 and 2007, the scoring offense ranked in the top-11. Blame Bratkowski all you want. But you have to give credit to a coach whose main purpose is to put his team in a position to succeed. And succeed they have.
Then the offense ranked dead last in scoring and total yardage last year. They were, quite simply, the worst offense in the NFL. Some called it an aberration of having over 20 guys on injured reserve and an injury that shelved Palmer in 12 games. And while injury is never excuse, I believed in this school of thought. If you replace enough players that could become a starting lineup of their own, then you're going to have issues. Excuse or not. That's just the reality of math. Lose 15 starters to injury, you're going to have lesser talent.
But I wonder now, if the Bengals offense doesn't start showing up, is Bratkowski done in Cincinnati?
Let's go back to March, when Joe Reedy reported the following:
After the offense finished last in the league for the first time, coach Marvin Lewis, Bratkowski and the rest of the offensive staff went through every play from last year and evaluated what succeeded and what didn't. From there they have started to rebuild the playbook, starting with pass protection schemes before moving to running plays and eventually all of the pass plays.
Throughout the process, Bratkowski and quarterback Carson Palmer have been in constant communication about what they would like to accomplish. Palmer is currently working out in California, but he has DVDs of the last six seasons. If Bratkowski wants him to look at something, Palmer can flip in the DVD and give his opinion about a play or scheme.
"In most of the cases I have been anticipating what he would say," Bratkowski said.
Now, at first glance, this seems harmless; like a couple of football loving guys trying to find new solutions. On the other hand, a conspiratorial fellow like me thinks that someone higher up basically gave Bratkowski one job. Fix this offense or else. And it appears, based on performance, that "or else" is closing in.
Maybe that's not far. As far as the team's rushing offense has progressed, the passing offense has regressed. Maybe it's the line. Maybe it's the receivers not getting open. Maybe it's calling back-to-back plays where Palmer throws passes behind the line of scrimmage with less than 30 seconds remaining in the first half against Minnesota when the Bengals were at their own 26-yard line.
When T.J. Houshmandzadeh left for Seattle, he chimed in on the Bengals saying:
“To me I don’t see the playbook as much of a problem as guys not getting the job done. Coach Lewis knows who to blame whether it is the players or a coach. The players go out and play but coaching is relating to the players. Most coaches know the X’s and O’s but they have to trust the players. Right now the trust and belief is not there,” Houshmandzadeh said.
Now, Houshmandzadeh is speaking about the 2008 offense that ranked dead last. But you have to ask, is there trust issues between the offensive coordinator and the players? OK, I'm being conspiratorial again. Sorry.
But let's go even further back, to a series of reports that surfaced in January. The Baltimore Sun wrote that Marvin Lewis expressed interest in Hue Jackson, now the Ravens quarterback coach and former Bengals wide receiver coach and former Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator. In the end, everyone involved denied any of this, which ended up being labeled as rumor. Do I think that Lewis really reached out for Jackson? I make it a point not to believe in rumors, but I always believe that rumors are based on some truths.
So my question is this, if the Bengals offense, specifically the passing offense, doesn't improve soon, would Bratkowski take the fall this year? I purposely put the word would, because I know you guys. You'll instantly think should. Will Mike Brown fire Bratkowski if the passing offense doesn't improve?
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I would hope so
And Jackson would be at the top of my list.
by brandone on Dec 14, 2009 8:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
why do people like the idea of Hue Jackson as OC?
2003 Redskins: 22nd scoring offense
2007 Atlanta Falcons: 29th in scoring offense.
His two years as OC were the opposite of stellar.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 15, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Even Eddison couldn’t have invented a light bulb if he had no material to make the filament with.
The Redskins in 2003 were, well, a joke. And in 2007 the Falcons were in outright meltdown mode from day one.
And even if those were part his fault (yeah he forced Vick to break the law, riiiight…) I’d still be willing to give him another try because of how well he and Palmer and Ocho worked together back in the day.
The Falcons' 2007 defensive ranking was 29th in the league also.
Their defensive coordinator was one Mike Zimmer.
You might be familiar with his work? ;)
by Craig Conrad on Dec 16, 2009 6:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
God I hope he is on the hot seat
I hope his seat is on freaking FIRE!!!!
CB85......Collaros for Heisman
Umm....
I thought he’s been on the hot seat for 5 years now…..but like any other situation, Mike Brown won’t make the move.
by DiddyGotGrillz on Dec 14, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions
True
We did let Dave Shula hang around for 5 years when he should have been gone after three(maximum).
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 15, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
I think many fans
tend to exaggerate what a coach can do for a team. Certainly we’ve seen turn-arounds with coaching changes, but at some point, you have to admit that there just isn’t that much talent on that side of the ball.
Chad and Carson are still possible Hall of Fame type players, but there is little talent beyond those men outside of the offensive line of course. I don’t mean to deride Benson, but Larry Johnson and Bernard Scott have played almost as well as the man in his absence. It’s certainly possible our running game could be even better with a more talented back. Also, losing 4 TE’s and Chris Henry will hurt the passing game! The biggest problem with the offense is probably Coles and not Bratkowski.
I’m not saying we couldn’t upgrade our offensive coordinator. There might be better ones, but without elite players on the offense, you aren’t going to have an elite offense. Even Palmer—this year anyways—is not making throws like an elite quarterback. I wouldn’t even consider Palmer a top 10 quarterback in the league this year at this point. This is his first year off a severe injury, so he has potential to bounce back, as does the whole unit.
I disagree
Great coaches go through personnel changes and win.
Carson was an elite QB through the Bears game, he passed great when needed and won games. Since then we are 3-2 and Palmer hasn’t been great. I say that Palmer has not been great on purpose, vs bad or terrible or even good. When I watched the Vikings game, more than any game I have seen Palmer ran. I have seen him force more balls to Chad than ever before this season. These 2 things tell me the other recievers, especially Coles are not getting open, or that Carson has no confidence in Coles, who is catching 50% of balls thrown his way. I think its time that Caldwelll sat and Simpson got some time as the #3 reciever. AT the minimum,l he could be a deep threat in 3 reciever sets, he has hands and speed, and it should help open up the middle for Caldwell, and might take some pressure off Chad.
I agree that the TE injuries and the Henry injury have hurt the passing, but injuries are a part of football. Overall our injury situation has not been bad. One of the Best I can remember for a Bengals team. I don’t know if Brat is the right person to blame but it seems to be a good place to start.
If he isn’t, he blank well should be. A good coach can teach decent talent to perform like great talent. A bad coach can make great talent look like mud.
EVERY team in this league has at least some talent, and many have quite a bit. The winners are the ones who can execute. The players MUST do their part, but it starts with the coaches. They have to get their part right FIRST, and only then can the players follow suit.
And just like last year, we lose a few guys to injury and the offense turns to sewage. A good chunk of those injuries last year were on DEFENSE, not offense. Yet Zimmer kept his team functioning and even improved towards the end of the year. Brat went south faster than a Concorde jet.
If that isn’t enough reason to fire him, nothing ever will be.
To be fair . . .
Brat isn’t the one doing the teaching – that’s what the position coaches are for.
In that realm, I would definitely part ways with Jim Sheppard. Our receiving coaching has sucked balls since Hue Jackson left. Hayes, Zampese, and Alexander are all fine and should stick around. I give Hayes much benefit of the doubt for losing his # 1, 2, and 3 TE, plus having an offense scheme that doesn’t try to utilize them.
As for Brat, you should look to blame him for 3 things – the offensive scheme, the weekly gameplans, and in game adjustments. I believe on all three of these levels he fails:
- the running scheme is both his and Marvin’s baby, but he cannot use it to score points
- the weekly gameplans do not seemingly take advantage of definitive weaknesses of opposing teams or create favorable matchups in many instances
- as for in game adjustments, forget about it. That’s been a problem for years. But look no further this season that 0 TDs in the second half for how many damn games? When you can’t score on Oakland, Detroit, and Cleveland, you’ve got problems and have not adjusted.
Losing this guy is way past due. A new offensive coordinator would do 3 really great things: introduce change to a struggling unit, put everyone on notice (including Carson, who may actually be too comfortable, as his mechanics, accuracy, and execution have become sloppy – things he was always lauded for – and a new OC and plan might motivate him to work hard to pick up the new scheme), and actually make the opposition wonder what the Bengals will do. Change would have to have them question us, giving us that slight edge from uncertainty.
by rorschach1979 on Dec 15, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
Dont defend Brat...cmon seriously? he is terrible
his play calling is more predictable than the 4 seasons of the year.
CB85......Collaros for Heisman
Bob Brat. should be fired!!!
My friend and I live in a little town south of Pittsburgh, and trust us, those super-bowl wins sucked but this year has been great with Steeler nation in a tailspin, but we were just saying that Bob Brat. should get replaced, I mean I know the players have to execute, but this play calling really sucks, not only is it sooooo predictable, run, run, pass, but freaking lame, seriously we can’t convert a 3-1, run up the middle(I know the dude missed his block) but we need a fresh new Offensive Co. that will bring something new to the offense, Losing Henry hurts more than I though it would, Coles sucks but what about Jerome Simpson and Caldwell, I admit our Tight-ends Are horrendous, we need to cut Dan Coats, and Jeremy Johnson that guy does NOTHING, but drop passes seriuosly why is he still on the team??? I just think that something has to be done or next year we will be in the same spot running these stupid pitch-outs and crap.
A serious question.
Does Brat have any time left on his contract?
If he does, there is ABSOLUTELY no way he gets the ax. Mikey Boy doesn’t like to pay on contracts for fired guys. After all he kept Marvin this long. I say fire Brat AND Marvin and give the HC job to Zimmer.
"Shiny. Let's be bad guys."
by KentuckianaBrowncoat on Dec 15, 2009 10:47 AM EST reply actions
you don’t fire your head coach after a season like this and replace him with his own defensive coordinator; don’t forget, marvin was a better defensive coordinator than zimmer is, so how does being a good coordinator mean zimmer would be a better head coach than marvin?
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
by Raging Clue on Dec 15, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
There is no indication
That Mike Brown would ever hire someone better than Marvin Lewis.
that’s another point i’ve been making to the “fire marvin” crowd for some time.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
by Raging Clue on Dec 15, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I can agree with that
While I have been critical of ML, mainly his clock management, I don’t think MB could find a better HC.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 16, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Marvin should have been toast years ago.
"Shiny. Let's be bad guys."
by KentuckianaBrowncoat on Dec 16, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
He should have been gone after 07 IMHO.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 16, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's Zimmer and Lewis
whose contracts expire soon. Bratkowski has naked pictures of Mike Brown, he seems to have a job for life.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 15, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Who’d wanna see ’em tho?
"Shiny. Let's be bad guys."
by KentuckianaBrowncoat on Dec 16, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Play to win, not to lose
This team continues to play scared. All I hear is that we are a running team (ask Palmer), but good teams do what is available for them to move the ball against. The days of overpowering the best teams in the league are over……….
Bratkowski needs to go, we can’t continue to tip our hand every game and be a 1 dimensional team. Over the last 3 years sitting in the stands I could pick out exactly who was getting the ball and where it was going, wonder what the problem is here.
Hire Charlie Weis at least he takes chances………
i've decided not to shit talk bratkowski anymore
my new plan is to start flaming raider’s message boards and websites and even al davis’ personal mailbox and talk about how great brat is. i’ll continuously talk about how great of a head coach he is and how he would be ideal to fix the raiders. this way the true worst owner in the nfl will sign him away from us.
i’m tired of leaving these things to chance.
lol
Unfortunately, Most Raider fans don’t think like Al does.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 16, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
He should be
He should be on the hot seat. He has a very talented offense that has been struggling for too long now. He also put together a poor game plan against the vikings. The Cardianls beat them through the Air. Yet, we try to beat them through their stout and tuff run defense… Not the smartest gameplan I’ve seen.
Predictions...
Bob will stay because mike brown…well is mike brown. When its 3 down and 8 and Brian Lenord comes in we all know a swing pass or a delay route is happening. We will never see the wildcat in cincy, because its too imaginative for bob to realize it (we really dony have the plaers for it uless you count Caldwell, or a larry johnson/benson duo attack like miami has). Also this is not all bob’s fault either, carson overthrows people, recievers dropped passes, the o-line makes dump penalties (ANDREW WITWORTH!). So the blame should go around to everyone involved with the offense. The only thing that really grinds my gears is that chase coffman is on the sidelines holding towels for people. You see the bengals think Chase Coffman is a Tight End, you know one who blocks and catches passes. Last time I checked Dallas Clark doesn’t block nobody, Antonio Gates Does not Block people, Jason Witten usually is a distraction rather than a blocker, Greg Olsen, Celek, and even vernon Davis rarely block. Chase coffman is a Catching Tight End, use him! Dear Lord I was crying this when Chris Henry was hurt (RIP) the guy is tall, can jump, and has decent hands a great reciever to have when you are inside the 30 yard line, so carson can throw it up for grabs and coffman who has a 6 to 7 inch advantage should and would catch the ball for touchdowns…and touchdowns are a good thing, bob.
I like the bengals a lot...that is all.

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