Bengals Banter: OK, so we could be over-reacting to the lack of a passing game
Alright. One last thing about the whole Bengals offense is struggling thing and we'll let it go. Vikings week is over. Hasta la vista, baby. What happened, happened. However, sitting on the couch, flipping through the channels of another Bruce Springsteen song, the idea Cincinnati has no momentum weighs heavily. What happened against Oakland, the Browns, the Lions, and the Vikings is meaningless. Because the Bengals biggest test comes against the Chargers. That can't influence the team, or us (the fans) heading into the biggest game of the year. Those games happened which led us to this point. But so did sweeps against the Ravens and Steelers and a win over a very strong Packers team that's coming into their own. Now, wipe all that away and focus on this week, where the Bengals still hold onto their own destiny for a bye week -- and homefield advantage against every team not named the Indianapolis Colts -- during the Wild Card weekend.
Meaningless note of the week: Carson Palmer has thrown for 110 yards passing or less in two of his past three games.
The question asking for Marvin Lewis' assessment on the passing game was asked Monday.
“We've got to do a better job of executing. We have to protect. We have to be in the right spots at the right depths and give the opportunity to the quarterback. And I think we've got to go back and do a better job of manufacturing some balls down the field. When we had our opportunities yesterday, they (Vikings) just happened to be in the right spots, and so the ball couldn't get there. But we've got to continue to do that and keep fine-tuned in that area, until we get some opportunities to make some plays. Yesterday for whatever reason, the luck wasn't in, the opportunity didn't match up. We had some good throws in there. But we have to do it consistently and all the time, and that will help.
“If you just turn it around, look at their offensive production yesterday. Their passing game was about 150 yards, and four balls to the backs that converted another 70. So in that kind of game, where neither team is really getting the ball down the field, we've got to make some hay with some of these other things that occur. We didn't execute our screens very well when we had them. We had opportunities there. Brian (Leonard) made a great run for our first first down, but there's got to be better execution around the board.
“All that being said, we're right where we wanted to be (in the standings). That's the exciting part of it. That's what this job is all about, and that's what the NFL is all about, and here we go.”
Coach speak. Yes. We never expect to have exciting information during a press conference. I mean, it's not like Lewis is going to slam his fist on the podium and say, "Damn it" and go into Dennis Leary style rant on Bob Bratkowski. He said the right things. Execute better, being the oldest talking point from a losing NFL coach since man discovered the wheel, BBQ ribs and corny Mentos commercials.
This one stuck out at me. "And I think we've got to go back and do a better job of manufacturing some balls down the field." My gut reaction? You're crazy. We have to bring back the vertical game? This has been an old complaint from Bengals fans this year. Slinging passes 50 yards would be great. And in truth, it doesn't really matter if they're completed. At least spread it out, make it possible that the Bengals can score a touchdown inside of five plays on a drive. No. Actually score a touchdown before reaching the dreaded red zone.
In two of his past three games, Palmer's longest completed pass went for less than 20 yards. Only twice has Palmer connected for a pass 50 yards or more... this year. Furthermore, of Palmer's 390 attempted passes, 153 have fallen incomplete. Here's a breakdown of those incompletes, courtesy of Stats, Inc.
| Type | Number | % Incomplete | % Overall Passes |
| Passes Dropped | 21 | 13.7 | 5.4 |
| Poor Throw | 54 | 35.3 | 13.8 |
| Passes Defensed | 42 | 27.5 | 10.8 |
| Passes Hit at Line | 5 | 3.3 | 1.3 |
| Other | 28 | 18.3 | 7.2 |
| Intercepted | 10 | 6.5 | 2.6 |
But we're not here to pile on. This isn't the point of this post. I mean, it's not like we could activate Jerome Simpson and BAM, we're the New Orleans Saints. There is no easy fix, says Carson Palmer.
“If there was one reason we’d fix it,” said Palmer of the passing game. “All we can do is continue to get better. There’s no quick fix or easy answer. We have to try to find things to tailor to our strengths and improve.”
Paul Daugherty speaks plainly. Bengals receivers are simply not getting open. "Right now, Carson Palmer is hitting eighth and slapping singles the other way. It’s not necessarily his fault, only his problem. Palmer doesn’t have the personnel, and the personnel he does have isn’t getting open very much."
And you think to yourself that Paul is right. How many times has Palmer forced passes to Chad Ochocinco this year in tight coverage?
Then questions were raised about Palmer's health Monday night. Are they protecting Palmer's elbow by calling shorter routes? Or is that merely a coincidence based on the fact that the offensive line isn't built to allow deeper developing routes? I do believe that if the Bengals offense doesn't explode, then the Bengals offensive coordinator will be in Cincinnati for how many games remain this season. And I'm not speaking in emotional outrage.
Clearly this offense is starting to come under fire for lacking a threatening passing offense. Joe Reedy writes, "A day after losing 30-10 at Minnesota, the biggest question on the minds of everyone remained – what has happened to the Bengals passing game?"
Palmer isn't convinced that there is a problem.
“We’re a team that throws it about 20 times and run it 30,” Palmer said. “Because of one loss we’re not going to go back to the drawing board or change our identity or freak out like everyone else outside of this locker room is doing.”
Fair enough. Let's take that approach and examine from the world-not-ending perspective. How many times has the lack of a passing game really bitten the Bengals? Against the Broncos, the Bengals were leading 7-6 with 38 seconds left against the Denver Broncos. Right. We didn't blow them out but we were in position to win before luck and the football gods smote the Bengals.
Cincinnati was leading Houston 17-14 at Half Time. In the second half, Daniel Coats and J.P. Foschi fumbled, Palmer was sacked once, threw two incomplete passes and a game-ending interception with 1:55 left in the game. And you can't really blame Palmer too much here, because he's trying to lead Cincinnati to at least two scores with two minutes left. You have to take risky shots. Cincinnati led the Raiders 17-10 before Oakland's Bruce Gradkowski led the Raiders on a game-tying touchdown drive that went 80 yards on 11 plays. Then Andre Caldwell fumbled on a kickoff return that led to Oakland's game winning field goal.
So maybe the lack of a passing game hasn't cost the Bengals as much as we dramatically think. We could attribute that to the loss against Houston and Minnesota. Maybe it's half and half. Something in the middle.
We want answers. We want reassurances. It doesn't make us less of fan, nor does it question our loyalty. We've been in this really long relationship with a bunch of rocky roads and sometimes we fight. In the end, there's nothing better than a Bengals Sunday and whether be it passing or rushing, we really don't care how, just win. Because really, that's all that matters.
Now, onto the Chargers...
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If they lost 30-27, this would be a different story. They may want to stay a running team, and as long as your rushing 150 yds/game, that’s great. But when you’re down 30-10, you need the passing game to show up. Receivers do have to get open, that’s true. But, they have to be given plays to run that will get them open, too.
Admittedly, I haven’t seen enough games to really say. But, are these the same pass plays from 2005? At the core, Brat isn’t getting it done. Of course, it would help if Coats could hold on to a pass every once in a while.
agreed
100%
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 15, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
On Simpson
Coles is catching 50% of balls thrown his way, Caldwell 80% and Chad 60%. We all know that Carson is forcing the ball to Chad and he contributes through catches, Pass interference calls and drawing personal fouls for 1st down. Caldwell is catching the ball 80% of the time, so I have no issues there. That leave the choice between Coles and Simpson. Coles is not catching the ball for whatever reason. I assume he is contributing in other ways, but right now I thik that Caldwell would be the better #2 reciever. I think Simpson has the could fill Chris Henry’s shoes, ie go deep and if you catch the ball awesome, if you get someone else open by taking the safety deep, just as good. AsS you said a deep incompletion may open up the offense as much as a deep catch, because the safety’s first reponsibility is to protect against the deep ball. I think that Simpson would serve better than Coles right now.
also agree
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 15, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I really haven’t seen Caldwell prove his worth as anything other than a short yardage, 3rd down possession receiver. Even with TJ, I always thought it was kind of pathetic that he always hovered around 10 yards/reception. You need more than that out of your #2. Right now, we just don’t have one. And I agree with Simpson. With as poorly as the passing game has performed, how in god’s green earth could he be any sort of letdown? Give him a shot. This is as bad as it gets, save Akili/Warrick/Dugans.
Perfect
how could it be any worse than what we already got?
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 15, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Run blocking
I am assuming that Caldwell or Coles would do better run blocking than Simpson. I don;’t want him to have that responsiblity, so I would leave Caldwell ahead of Simpson for that reason.
Simpson would be third or fourth WR
I dont know, but i have not seen to many runs out of 3 and 4 wide receiver sets…..so that should be of no concern
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 15, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Andre is running the routes he is asked to run
If they are telling him to be in a certain spot, he better damn well be at that spot. If he was the #2 slot, he would more than likely be in more deep areas of the field.
I don’t think they plays are being called to use him effectively enough. Of couse, I’m sure there’s plenty of plays last week where he was deep but covered too well to get throw the ball.
Coles. Well, Coles is not catching what he needs to catch.
I'm sure he is...
but part of being a good receiver is YAC. He makes some nice, short catches, but doesn’t get enough separation to take it up the field. His longest catch in 2 years with the Bengals is 24 yards, with 8.6 yards/reception. Not impressed. He’s not the answer.
Plays Chad's position, can't play on teams
Apparently in practices Simpson has only run with the 2’s in Chad’s spot (X). He doesn’t know any other routes, and as has been noted, he obviously can’t play teams or he would have seen time already. So the question is do we want to see him on the field enough to displace Chad? Do we move Coles to the bench, Chad to the Y and put Simpson at the X? I’m assuming Chad’s enough of a veteran he could pull it off. Remember when he was drafted it was looking like Chad was out the door; Simpson was likely drafted as his potential replacement. A HUGE reach in retrospect.
Ochocinco
can play any position well. He’s going to be in the hall of fame.
He’d do it to, if they asked and he believed Simpson could help.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 15, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Coles had 0 catches for 0 yards
he was on the top of his game,
Cleve game 2 catches 24 yards
Detroit 2 catches 25 yards
Just ballin!!!
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However...
If we want to dump on our lack of talent at WR, look at what Peyton Manning has done with Austin Collie and Division III Mount Union’s own, Peirre Garcon. Not exactly superstars, but Manning makes them look really good.
WOW
this guy right here ^ I like him…..he understands
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 15, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Manning has been struggling a bit, this year
I think it’s their OC that’s making them look good. They’re obviously doing their part on the field, but having a superior scheme has to help.
by Big Sky Bengal on Dec 15, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure their OC is a hell of a lot more ahead of the curve than Bratkowski, but Manning does this nearly every year. The great one’s make everyone around them look good. Same with Brees. I think Meachem is the only first round pick of their receiving corps and that unit is unstoppable.
your on fire today
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 15, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. On the other hand, Meachem was known to be a “complete bust” until this year, that’s how little he played before this year. Devery “butterfingers” Henderson could run nines all day but if he didn’t lead the league in drops he sure gave the leader a run for his money. And Moore was undrafted and buried on the depth chart until Colston and David Patten got hurt early last year. The only true exception was Colston, who was a seventh rounder. But he was good and known to be.
The difference boils down to key three parts. One is that Brees does make his receivers better — at least in part by practicing a whole lot more than required. Another part is that they have a really good receivers coach and a good OC/play-caller. And the third part is that Drew has the trust of, and trusts, his offensive line. The NO O-Line isn’t really that great. It’s good, but it’s not “out of this world” awesome. Aside from two of the better guards in the league everybody else is fairly average. But it’s enough.
We have a good QB. He’s not in Drew’s league but he’s still very good. We don’t have the other two. And until we do, it’s going to be hard to really fix the problems that have plagued us.
Excellent points. I’m just trying to make the argument that our receivers aren’t nearly as horrible as the passing numbers indicate. A lot of it is on Brat, and we’ve seen Palmer make some awful throws going back to 2007 when this offense really started to take a nosedive
Trust me, I know all about the Saints receivers. I’m usually starting the wrong one on my fantasy football team. Point was: From a raw talent perspective, Meacham was the only one drafted high and expected to be very good from the get-go. And really, he’d been a bust until the last 4 or 5 weeks. The rest of the dudes are kind of self-made and have grown within that system. There’s a cohesion at all levels of that attack that we haven’t even sniffed.
I think we're fucked with or without Simpson
What we really need is a tight end. Manning and Brees have Clark and Shockey respectively. Having a quality tight end is HUGE for a good passing offense.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
True dat
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by TennBengalfan on Dec 15, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
+infinity
I’ve been saying this for years now…here’s hoping for a better sophomore effort from Coffman.
by TheWalrus1971 on Dec 15, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
He should be really good. His injured ankle is what killed him this year.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
Which you blame
on Mike Brown since they had since WEEK ONE OF TRAINING CAMP to go get a guy (even make a trade if Coffman couldn’t play)
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 15, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he was misleading with his injury.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
As far as us wishing for Simpson....we must keep wishing
But other than the option of activating Simpson in a small, specialized role, this not only is what it is, it is what it is going to be. Offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski said the Bengals have to work at getting better "at what we are" because there looks to be no major personnel changes.
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Why not
sign DeDe to play wide receiver?
He cannot be worse than Coles.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 15, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
WR's and TE's
We have a combined ZERO catches from our 4-6 receivers on the year if you exclude Henry. I am speaking current personel. We have a 4th and 5th option at TE because I believe Coats would have been cut and resigned on the practice squad. Foschi was a need pickup off waiver. Unfortunatly we lost both #1 and #2 TE in training camp and our projected 3rd (Coffman)was hurt all year and never saw the field. You just can’t go to Walmart and find these skilled players on the street and expect them to pick up the playbook in a week. We are stuck with what we have, no creativity with the playbook with poor personel. I cringe every time 85 takes a hit. I hate his antics, but he is prepared and plays his @#& off.
I like football cliches.
Execute better, being the oldest talking point from a losing NFL coach since man discovered the wheel, BBQ ribs and corny Mentos commercials.
Let’s do another cliche: if you let an NFL team stay in the game long enough, they will find a way to beat you.
What worries me about the lack of a passing game is that we haven’t really put any teams away. Palmer had a great day against the bears and they were a beaten team by halftime. We kept Denver, Oakland, and Houston in the game and they found ways to win. How many close games have we won this year that could have easily gone the other way.
Running the ball, controling the clock, keeping the Defense off the field. These are all great aspects of the game that Cincy has done well in a lot of games this year. But without a passing game, we really can’t be expected to control a given game, playoffs or not.
bengals
everyone is flipping out that the bengals passing game is weak. their 9-4, their winning for crying out load. i’ve been watching these guys for 41 years and as long as their winning idon’t care how they do it. remember boobi,PEEETTTE,, james brooks, ickey. i say just do it, go with your strenghts, pound if you have to, win with D, play action . just do it.
by sephardic jersey bengal diehard on Dec 15, 2009 6:02 PM EST reply actions
I mean, it’s not like we could activate Jerome Simpson and BAM, we’re the New Orleans Saints.
Absolutely true. If it was easy everybody would do it.
I’m sure some of you thought that’s what I’m calling for too. It’s not. But that’s probably my fault for not explaining what I mean. I’m not stupid enough to think that a team can turn their offense into the next Indy/NO clone in a week. For that matter, I doubt anybody on this board is. Outside in regular life, probably there are quite a few people that dumb, but not here.
But I AM calling for attempting to do something. I don’t know precisely what they CAN do. I do know they’ve not only got to try, they’ve got to make it OBVIOUS that they are trying. They’ve also gotta get it through the thick heads of unhappy fans. That’s not an easy task. That requires being a bit blatant. That requires overreacting, or at least visibly reacting, instead of appearing to be doing a great imitation of a bump on a log.
In the long run, the only solution is getting a better receivers coach, fixing the O-Line and Carson’s trust in it (and vice versa), and getting an imaginative and adaptable OC. But in the short run, they could do SOMETHING to at least appear to be trying. Right now they don’t appear to be trying. They just figure “oh well it worked in 9 games the other four we just got unlucky in”. Or at least that’s the appearance currently given. Maybe I’m wrong there. I hope I am. If so, great. But if not, that won’t hold water in the playoffs. Assuming we even make it. KC did upset PITT after all and if we lose out and Baltimore wins out we’re out of luck.
If that isn’t enough to light a fire under the team, then they don’t deserve to go in the first place.
Welcome back to Earth Bun-Gals fans.
It was only a matter of time until your orange-and-black colored bandwagon fans started turning on itself. After padding your schedule with 6 wins over lousy division foes you Homers had this team going deep into the playoffs if not the Super Bowl. Welcome to Reality (not the Jungle) where you may win one playoff game but will fall shortly thereafter to the Colts or the Chargers. At least you are use to losing so the trauma want be too heartbreaking. What will be the killer will be the entire off-season listening and reading how you were “robbed by the ref’s” or “if… then…”.
The Bengals suck and always will. HA HA
JEROME F_ _ _ _ ING SIMPSON!
Does anyone here realize that we took Simpson over DeSean Jackson! Simpson hasn’t played, or dressed for any games this year. Meanwhile Jackson is tearing the league up in case no one watched Sunday nite! Now everyone is wondering why we can’t pass the damn football! There is exhibit 1,1A,1B, and 1C! Just plain pitiful!
weird..
our previous 18 bad drafts are catching up with us.. no wayyy!!
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Dec 15, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions

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