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Post-game Open Thread: Cincinnati Bengals after game-winning field goal by San Diego

Cincinnati played their first game after the untimely death of their fallen teammate, Chris Henry. If you're a fan of the Bengals, you have to appreciate their effort and spirit. They played their guts out. Palmer passed for over 300 yards for the first time since week 17 in 2007. Laveranues Coles showed up after losing his starting spot, catching four passes after unquestionably disappearing several weeks before. J.P. Foschi had a great game, catching seven passes for 82 yards receiving, showing up when the team needed a tight end to catch passes underneath. Keith Rivers had an interception that brought Cincinnati back into the game, being down 24-10 and a sack. Chinedum Ndukwe had over ten tackles and half a sack. Johnathan Joseph recorded six tackles and an interception and Dhani Jones made several stops behind the line of scrimmage. Quan Cosby joined the offense against the Chargers catching three passes for 47 yards and Brian Leonard had another impressive third down pickup. Shayne Graham had two kickoffs out of the back of the endzone and never kicked the football out of bounds. That's progress.

But in the end, it just wasn't enough. Tied at 24 with 54 seconds left in the game, Philip Rivers and the Chargers offense marched down the field, picking up 46 yards through the air setting up Nate Kaeding's 52-yard game winning field goal.

As a football fan, this was a great game, full of it's exciting moments. True, it was another game of frustration with the Bengals committing nine penalties -- three of which were consecutive in the third quarter setting up first-and-25 before the first snap of the possession. It was frustrating that the Bengals were forced into second-and-36 after Andre Caldwell's fumble while driving for a late game drive in which a touchdown wins the game. Instead, they're forced to pick up as many yards as possible to kick the game-tying field goal.

Cincinnati has the Chiefs and Jets left on their schedule. It will be the third straight week next week that the Bengals will be able to clinch the AFC North. They fall to 9-5 on the season and while it appears that the Bengals might be losing momentum, they played well Sunday. They just didn't win.

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Leon Hall will have to step his game up

were was his pro bowl play today?

CB85......Collaros for Heisman

by TennBengalfan on Dec 20, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

the 2nd Td was a blown coverage,it was obvious he expected safety help over the top.

Jackson went into the game as one of the form recievers in the league. Corners will get beat,still didnt think he was horrible today

by pilks1075 on Dec 20, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

toasted

like bama said

CB85......Collaros for Heisman

by TennBengalfan on Dec 20, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone has a bad day.

pilks points are valid but, he got toasted.

by BamaBengal on Dec 20, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

he gave to much cushion at that last play though

CB85......Collaros for Heisman

by TennBengalfan on Dec 20, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well at least the Palmer injury talk can cease

the third quarter series of Penalties was a friggin joke,outside of that I feel better about the bengals than i did after last weeks debacle against the Vikes. Offensively we just have to stop self destructing with Penalties,we always find ourselves in stupid 1st and 15 situations,right behind schedule from the get go. There was alot of grumbling about the Defense but we were playing a red hot chargers team,and we came within a whisker of beating them,yes the blitz at the end was a gamble which ultimately backfired but i didnt here anyone complaining when we did the same at Hienz field and against Baltimore in the 2nd game against them. We will win our next two and finish 11-5 and see how the chips fall

by pilks1075 on Dec 20, 2009 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

actually

if the bengals beat KC, we likely rest the starters against the jets

by cokane on Dec 20, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

And Ben beats the Pack on the last play of the game……………..

by Doncosmic on Dec 20, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

A lot of good signs

Our D was not great great today but some good things:

Palmer and the WRs showed up. Not great in the red zone but we moved the ball. I don’t know if simpson did much to really help but we played better with him in.

Nelson was good at safety. Showed he can play if need be.

Rivers had a great game. He had a big pick and a sack, the kind of plays we need from him.

and now a question, who sits at running back when they are all good to go? Larry picked up the rushers good today and ran hard. I don’t think you can sit Brian, to valuable on third down and pass catcher.

by BigJungle on Dec 20, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

But Scott is a special teams weapon, he is very near the top of the NFL is kick return average

by Doncosmic on Dec 20, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Nelson

Nelson was not good at saftey. What do you watch the games on a 12 inch TV? Nelson was out of place 80% of the time today. Thats the reason Hall was lit up today, with the exception of the last pas play from the Chargers. He should have played the outside route better and not worry so much about inside, if they went inside, the clock would have probably ran out because they couldnt have gotten set after throwing it 20 yards downfiled. It all wasnt on Hall today, Nelson needs to step up his play.

by James Schmid the great on Dec 21, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Im gone...

and wait once again another week to try and win the north

CB85......Collaros for Heisman

by TennBengalfan on Dec 20, 2009 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

Disappointed, but proud...

they showed up today and took the Chargers to the end. Who knows, if Caldwell didn’t fumble, the Bengals may have been playing with a 4 point lead at the end. I was a bit miffed that Hall let that out get completed to set up the GW field goal. He HAS to know in that situation, the a completion towards the inside will kill the clock. Why he did not jump that route is beyond me.

Still, they proved the doubters wrong. I HOPE they beat the Chefs next week. This waiting around to clinch is KILLING me.

"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius

by TarZander on Dec 20, 2009 7:54 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Next week guys.And we are still currently 3rd seed.

If we win out,as thing stand we would be playing Denver then going back to San Diego,I would take that. Laters guys

by pilks1075 on Dec 20, 2009 7:57 PM EST reply actions  

I might actually prefer to to be the 4 seed and play at Indy instead of going back to San Diego

by Doncosmic on Dec 20, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't be upset with the effort

and I loved the passing game. Only thing that really upset me was Leon Hall. I talked about it with a friend right after the game.

The blitz was on. As a DB in that situation, you know the ball has to come out quick, and they have to look for the sideline. That soft “coverage” on the out was absolutely inexcusable. Just terrible.

My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts

by cesarhernandez on Dec 20, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

Was good to see...

Palmer throw for over 300 yards, hopefully, the passing game can keep that going along with the run game. They do however have to eliminate the RIDICULOUS self inflicted penalties or we stand no chance.
Defensively I really wish they had more faith in letting a couple more hang back in defensive coverage rather than sending to blitz the last play before the final FG. Totally agree with Zander, what the hell was Hall doing not guarding the out route… Can only serve as an awareness/learning lesson at this point.
Like someone else said later in the 2nd half thread, should we run into them again, we will have Peko, Scott AND Crocker.

Oh yeah, We WILL clinch vs. the Chiefs.

Who Dey!!!

by STRETCHA on Dec 20, 2009 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

My thoughts

It was a very close game, the Caldwell fumble hurt, but I think the turning point which allowed SD to collect themselves was ML’s very untimely timeout after the Chargers had an injured player on the field with no timeouts. The timeout that was called by Marv allowed the Chargers to catch a breather without wasting a down.

Why was the timeout called when the Chargers were planning to spike anyways???

Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 20, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

The Chargers were in shotgun. They weren't going to spike

Great game . You guys will get a 2nd chance in a couple of weeks

by RTChargerfan on Dec 20, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That would have been the smart call in that situation

Tie game, no timeouts, not a lot of time left

Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 20, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Spiking, that is

But, our HC burns another timeout…

Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 20, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No because of the injury they had all day to call a play, why would they spike it?

by Doncosmic on Dec 20, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I did notice that

Even though the spike was expected by everyone, including the announcers. Maybe that’s why the Chargers were in shotgun

Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 20, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think they were going to spike

Rivers was back all the way in the shotgun. Normally, you get under center to spike.

My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts

by cesarhernandez on Dec 20, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

True

I still didn’t like the timeout call, regardless.

Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 20, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Other than that

It was a well fought battle that could have went either way. Liked the fact that Quasby was steeping up on some key catches. Passing game was better today, though I didn’t see Simpson get a look, I did see he was active.

Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 20, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Steeping???

I meant stepping? FAIL

Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 20, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

On Football Night in America, Tony Dungy just illustrated how the Chargers did an illegal substitution on the 3rd last play of the game. A 5yrd Penalty could have been the difference.

However, the next play, both corners were defending inside pass routes and give up the sideline route, which is exactly the wrong play, and inexcusable in that situation

by R.F. Mehl on Dec 20, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

Bengals

You are soooooo right. Even the announcer were saying the needed to protect the sidelines.
Can’t win playoff games playing like that.

by Kemgames on Dec 20, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

illegal substitution

Not only the 5 yards also a 10 second run off on the clock

by James Schmid the great on Dec 21, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Caldwell

that’s the second game that university of florida piece of shit has cost us. cut his ass now!!!!!!!!!!!1

by Evil Monkey on Dec 20, 2009 8:22 PM EST reply actions  

Caldwell

Before the season, bloggers were saying, the Bengals didn’t need Chris Henry, Caldwell was the answer.

by Kemgames on Dec 20, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Sources???

I never said that about Henry. Maybe about TJ.

Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 20, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

they were?

I think bloggers supproted Henry through everything. It was the talk show hosts who didn’t like Henry. Caldwell is worthless. We have a lot of talent at WR, and Andre Caldwell is not included.

by Brian B on Dec 20, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Overreact much?

Caldwell has been clutch many times, and there was a huge hit to force the fumble. Maybe we should just cut the whole team and start from scratch every time we lose a game. Next week we can start Jake Plummer and Amani Toomer.

by emeybee on Dec 20, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

damn dude calm down.

cutting him sounds like one of the dumbest things we could do right now. go have a beer

by GrooveLeg on Dec 20, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't remember if it was Weddle or another defender,

but he came in like a MISSILE. I don’t think that fumble was on Caldwell like the one in Oakland was. Can’t do much about it when a guy hits you on the ball at full-speed. It’s not like he just lost the ball, the friggin’ thing sailed 20 yards behind him. It was a great play by the defender.

by Craig Conrad on Dec 21, 2009 6:38 AM EST up reply actions  

it was Dobbins

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Bengals

Horrible coaching. Team seemed lost on their own five yard line. Should have run the ball with third and one of Chargers 40 Yard line. Anyone thought about protecting the
sidelines with 16 secons left?

by Kemgames on Dec 20, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions  

coaching was at its worst at the end of the first half. spiking the ball vs. calling a time out basically cost us a free play into the end zone. pretty sure we could have used those 4 points. second straight mismanaged end of half. bad, bad coaching………

by Pi on Dec 20, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Bengals

Penalties have destroyed us. Better beat Kansas City next week.

by Kemgames on Dec 20, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with that

Penalties need to stop.

Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 20, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

thirded.

you’d think we would learn our lesson by now. delay of game is by far the most infuriating penalty we regularly commit. false start is a close second. the one that killed us the most was that illegal contact penalty on sproles… that was just bone-headed. we need to get our shit together for these last 2.

by GrooveLeg on Dec 20, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew that loss to Oakland would come back to haunt them....

uggh, that just makes me angry.

"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius

by TarZander on Dec 20, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

GREAT GAME

reminded me of the 2005 SDG game. Bengals played well on all fronts, just not well enough. 3rd quarter meltdown and an inability to score touchdowns cost the game.

This is how I expect our game in the playoffs will go.

Also, Lewis and Palmer again make a mistake with timeouts late in a half. End of the first half, the Bengals spike the ball after a first down with about 30 seconds to go. They were right near the end zone, and now only had 2 chances for a TD. What were you saving that timeout for? The Bengals did the same thing late in the first game against Pittsburgh. They went out to convert some fourth downs in that game, and luckily never had to pay for the mistake. Apparently they did not learn the lesson, but hopefully they will.

Later in the 3rd quarter, the bengals had a 4th and 1 at midfield. Lined up a fake punt, and San Diego calls timeout. Cool. But then the Bengals simply proceed to punt? They had been moving the ball all afternoon, and with us being such a strong running team, why not go for it in that situation? If you’re going to have a strong running attack, you should be able to rely on it in crucial situations.

Needless to say, the punt ended up a touchback, a net of 20 yards, and Chargers went on to score, and victory.

by cokane on Dec 20, 2009 8:41 PM EST reply actions  

"reminded me of the 2005 SDG game"

I would agree, except the Bengals were leading that game from the beginning.

by Brian B on Dec 20, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I agree about going for it on that punt in the 3rd quarter.

Tony Dungy made a good point about that last SD drive. There was a play where LT ran in from the sidelines just before the snap and lined up at WR. It should have been a penalty because he did not come in between the numbers. The sideline judge catches that every time because it happens right in front of him. But for some reason he missed it this time. Should have been a penalty and ten second run off.

by Brian B on Dec 20, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Arizona was 9-7 going into the playoffs last year.

Let’s just get that clinch finally out of the way next week and see what happens!

by the Rev'd on Dec 20, 2009 9:34 PM EST reply actions  

Delay of game penalties

I know I mentioned it several times during the game thread but the delay of game penalties are just absolutely ridiculous. I don’t know if it’s Carson’s fault or what but it has been a problem for a good three or four years now and doesn’t seem to be getting any better. This seems like such a simple fix yet we kill ourselves at least two or three times a game with these penalties. At what point does it become a point of emphasis for the squad?

by Adam Morgan on Dec 20, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

Delay of game penalties and ill-timed spikes

It’s almost as if he loses his mind in high pressure situations.

by bodacio on Dec 20, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

RE: Delay of game...

in defense of your offensive unit, I was at the game and that is the loudest it’s ever been. Even for the playoffs. It was painful it was so loud.

Great game Cincy fans, we’ll see you again in the playoffs.

by JYBaritone on Dec 21, 2009 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Caldwell

I’m fine with hating on him as a returner (we really need Bernard Scott back), but let’s not hate on him as a receiver. I think he’ll develop into a solid WR. If we can cultivate an underneath game with Cosby, Foschi, and him, we might actually have a chance over the next few weeks.

by Big Sky Bengal on Dec 20, 2009 11:47 PM EST reply actions  

While I’m not on this insane “We have to cut Caldwell” BS, something needs to be done about him. With under 3 minutes to go in a crucial game he can’t be dancing around defenders with that ball exposed. On that situation he needs to put his head down and go foward, even if it means not getting any yards. That’s the second time this season he does that late in a game and we end up losing both. One could argue he has cost us 2 games this season (he definately cost us that OAK game). That’s a problem our coaching staff has to address immediately.

by pedro_oliveira on Dec 20, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Have Caldwell focus exclusively on WR, give the return job to someone else (assuming B-Scott isn’t back).

I’ve wanted a dedicated return man for years, but that seems to be one of those positions that either Mike or Marvin don’t value very much. I don’t see what’s so hard about it—we waste late-round picks on reasonably well-stocked positions every year, just grab a return guy instead of drafting someone who’ll be swimming against the depth chart.

by Big Sky Bengal on Dec 21, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

About that

Cosby is fine for punt returns but he’s awful on kickoff returns. It’s a struggle for him to get to the 20 yard line and he looks like he’s going on slow-motion.. I can’t wait for Scott to be back.

by pedro_oliveira on Dec 21, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Answer: Mardy Gilyard.

He’s about the only return man I’ve seen who is up to full speed within two steps like a Cribbs or a Hester.

by Craig Conrad on Dec 21, 2009 6:40 AM EST up reply actions  

i would LOVE Mardy...

i doubt he’ll be there when we pick though… i think he’ll be the first receiver taken.

by GrooveLeg on Dec 21, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

hmmmmm

too many people tryna take a win from the chargers by pointing out a penalty that should have been calld…i know how that goes but there was some penalties that should have been calld for us as well….gates got held on a key play…….and i saw a facemask as well that wasnt called….so if you wanna say that penalty could of made the difference then you got to bring those other penalties into account as well..blaze one!

by 619sd on Dec 21, 2009 1:16 AM EST reply actions  

agreed. .

one call didn’t make the difference. But… it WAS a very poorly officiated game, for both sides. I saw about 4 for either side that didn’t get called. Usually the crew here does a good job, but today it was not good at all. Both coaches were lighting the zebras up all game long on the sidelines.

by JYBaritone on Dec 21, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

so was the Chargers d-line. I don’t think they called holding all game.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

They usually don’t this time of year. Which frankly I think is pure crap. If you are going to call it at the start of the year you should still be calling it at the end of the year.

by FriarBob on Dec 21, 2009 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

The officiating was pure crap for both teams

Guess that’s how Hochuli rolls, though.

Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 21, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

well

there was also a 3rd down play that Foschi got held by his left arm I think, right at the goal line. We ended up not converting and had to kick a FG. I can say for sure that the Bengals got screwed by the refs, but that’s just the way it goes

by pedro_oliveira on Dec 21, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Good plays, bad coaching

We have to do something about Marvin’s clock management. It’s Art Shell-like. I have yet to see him efficiently use time outs and spikes, and that’s cost us a ton of points this season. He’s a good motivator and talent evaluator, but a 17 year old Madden wiz would be a far better game manager. Also, we had another time out before that last SD play and we should have used it. Give the defense a rest and, most importantly, explain to the CBs that THEY’RE THROWING A SIDELINE ROUTE!. Everyone in the stadium knew they had to complete a sideline route or the game was over, but somehow we let them do that. Leon should know it already, but regardless, the coach shouldn’t take any chances. Call the time out and make sure you’re ready. I’m okay with the blitz, but the corner should know you’re getting a 10-15 yard out.

by driff on Dec 21, 2009 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

Good hard physical game

Hey, it felt much better than the loss to the vikings did last week, that’s for sure.

No one can give our D that much static after playing against such a complete offensive package as the Chargers have. Let he who has no Chargers on his fantasy FB team throw the first rock. They have a ton of weapons and are on fire right now.

Pentalties. Costly. Biggest factor in the game instead of blaming a player.

Referees. Really? You guys have done this before right? Very poor calls that took away our chance for OT at the very least. Nuts and Bolts, we got screwed.

But hey come on. It was an excellent game by both teams. Charger players were dropping all over the place. We should have (and as importantly could have) put up a couple more scores to secure the win, but it was not to be.

Great Game, Chargers. See you in a few weeks.

by UpStateMike on Dec 21, 2009 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

Great game, fellas

Just wanted to stop by and thank you for being civil and providing me with intelligent conversation all week. I know it was a tough week for your team, and you as fans, but the Bengals at least showed that they are not the team that got stomped by the Vikings.

As I said over at BFTB, this was the closest thing we’ve had to a playoff game so far. Playoff bye on the line, evenly matched teams and it really was won by “whoever has the ball last”. I hope we don’t have to play the Bengals again in a few weeks, because they showed some holes in our defense that just weren’t there previous to this week (namely, the out routes).

Anyways, good game. The officiating was horrible all around and the Chargers won mainly because they got the lucky bounce. I mean that literally. If Scifres’ punt doesn’t bounce out of bounds at the 5, it could be an entirely different game. Also, obviously, Dobbins getting his helmet on the ball to cause the fumble was just as big.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

coaching

3rd and 1 from Charger 40 and we throw a sideline inc vs running? I can feel better about not going for it on 4th and 1 if you at least tried a gut run on 3rd and 1. Tired of seeing Lewis and Brat play for the tie.

by LookingDeep on Dec 21, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

tough way to lose

but played well on the road vs a hot SD team

by WarWolf on Dec 21, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

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