When Will Offense Get Better?
If the Bengals hope to do anything in the playoffs, we're going to have to start scoring more points. We only scored 23 points against the Lions, and we've been averaging 21 points up until this point, which is one of the worst of the playoff contenders. I'm tired of the "We Don't Have Chris Henry Argument." We just need to execute better. The next two games will go a long way in telling us if we're ready to make a run to the Super Bowl.
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They should have tried out Chase Coffman
The offense is too predictable and without Henry they don’t have any big pass catching threats. So they should have tried a few alternatives:
1. Sign someone
2. Design a couple of plays for Purify
3. Activate Chase Coffman and let him play in the slot if he cannot line up as a credible blocker.
I don’t think Dan Coats’ value added is positive. He’s not that good a blocker and he drops or fumbles everything.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 6, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions
Coats
Is a bad FB/TE hybrid who can’t play either position at an NFL Level. I can’t stress enough how much I dislike Coats. Which is why I hope to see Coffman, at some point in the season.
I agree that we should have tried some of these avenues. It’s not that Purify can’t get open, but we mainly use him in running formations.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 6, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
WTF
ok, this hasn’t been his best year statistically but “learns how to throw” what? Alot of those poor throws are a result of a lack of rhythm. You loose a little bit of that with a “run first” mentallity. Palmer would gladly sacrifice another pro bowl trip for a shot at a different bowl.
by steve whodey on Dec 6, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I really do think we will see Simpson this week!
Just deep routes though. I just don’t understand why they don’t do this. Unfreakinbelievable! Start Simpson and I think you will see a change in the passing game. Doesn’t take a Brain surgeon to figure out that Simpson=speed=deep threat=open middle of field. Decoy or not, use him! We might be surprised at what could happen to the passing game. Hey Mikey (or ML) try it, you might like it….
Relax, the old saying goes....
Defense wins championships!!
We can’t get wrapped up in showing off the explosive “pass game” that we think we have. This is not the 2005 Bengals. When it comes postseason time, our ability to run the ball very effectively, control the clock, and dominate both lines of scrimmage will prevail over the rest.
A man named Woody once said it best, only 3 things can happen when you throw the ball and 2 of them ain’t good.
With that said, this passing game will get better as teams learn to respect our run game and stack the box. It’s all about protection.
Except when they start stacking the box we can't protect Palmer either
Anytime teams have brought the blitz the past few weeks Palmer has gotten flustered and made bad decisions. When we’re averaging 3 YPC we’re not really striking fear into the heart of the opponents.
Another one-touchdown day. A win is a win, but I am not confident in the Bengals’ ability to put up points against good teams. I’m primarily concerned with the Chargers game, but the Vikings will be tough as well. Palmer obviously still doesn’t have any sense of rhythm with anyone but Chad. As great as the CBs have been, the safeties too often blow coverage when a good wideout is released to them. Simply put, the Bengals don’t put up enough points for a serious playoff run.
On the other hand, you can’t argue with the logic of a gameplan in which you control the ball at a nearly 2:1 ratio, leaving your defense rested and strong. I’d just love to see Palmer get more reps in with the receivers in real games so that they have their timing and tendencies down when the playoffs come. Obviously they don’t have that now, aside from Chad.
Is the timing really better with Chad or is he the only receiver getting open? Hard to tell when you are at the game. Anybody notice anything besides Coles and Palmer meeting each other for the first time whenever they attempt to connect?
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Dec 7, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
the bengals do put up enough points for a serious playoff run, because they put up more points on a regular basis than their defense allows; you can think otherwise if you want, but their record says that you’re wrong.
i don’t understand why everyone’s so concerned all of a sudden with the bengals’ ability to score “against good teams”. they’ve shown no problem with good teams all season. the bad teams have been the close games, for the most part. since we won’t be seeing bad teams in the playoffs, i’m not that concerned.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
the bengals do put up enough points for a serious playoff run, because they put up more points on a regular basis than their defense allows; you can think otherwise if you want, but their record says that you’re wrong.
The Bengals offense put up 3 more points than the Lions offense. Arguably the weakest offense in the league, and ours was 3 points better. You think that’s good enough? At home vs Pit the Bengals O was outscored 20-17. At Cleveland the Bengals O scored 16, same as the Browns. At Pittsburgh they scored 12, same as the Steelers. That’s 3 division games that the Bengals offense failed to score more points than the opponent, but thankfully the defense and/or special teams provided touchdowns to save their butts. You think that’s a trend you can count on perpetuating?
the scoreboard said it was good enough, so i say it’s good enough. i used to buy into the pretty offense crap, but all that got us was disappointment. give me the team that’s good enough to outscore the team they’re playing that week. it’s worked 75% of the time this season, as opposed to our air it out offense, which worked roughly 50% of the time. that’s a 25% increase in production of wins, which last i checked were the only lasting stat in the nfl. carson palmer has shown consistently throughout this season that when it matters, he can deliver. and the trend that’s been going on all season of the defense performing when the offense doesn’t? that trend? yes, i expect it to continue.
i'm going to go america all over your ass!
But don't you try to get better and better as
you go on with the season? You should find your own weaknesses and improve them and not stay dormant, as to the other teams you face do not capitalize on your weakness. That is idiotic. That is what has been going on here. No retooling the O and putting everything on the defense. Last I looked the Defense is getting a little banged up. That could be a problem in the near future. We need balance and we don’t have it right now.
As my friend Herm said
“You play to WIN THE GAME!”
We’ve won 9 of them.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
you see where that got him don't you? TV commercials and ESPN
How many games has he won? He was fired wasn’t he?
Single out a player. Complain until Sunday. Win the game. Single out a player. Repeat until Superbowl.
We can argue that Palmer isn’t putting up top 5 QB numbers. He’s not even close. We can even opine that it’s his fault, or not his fault. The God of Golden Arms surely isn’t the problem, right? Therefore it must be the others on the team. Single out Coats. Single out Coles. Single out Simpson or Purify. Anyone see a trend?
The reality is that it’s not just one player that’s causing this. It’s the entire unit. Palmer is only as good as the other 10 in the huddle are in doing their job. Pass rusher isn’t stopped, Carson has to hurry, Coles doesn’t make a crisp enough cut to shag a defender. That’s the bottom line here. The Offense isn’t playing in sync for a large part of the game. They do tend to be less sloppy for the big games, which is a plus.
I don’t know who to blame here. Maybe it’s the coaches and not the players? Maybe it’s Mike Downtown Brown? Maybe the O needs to learn what makes the D so good? Defense is playing like a team at a very high level. Doesn’t seem to matter whos in, either.
Great Expectations
There has been a lot of discussion of the weakness of the offense. Granted…I am concerned as well as I do think the Bengals are probably going to have to put up 24+ points in the not too distant future to win a game against top notch competition,. That being said, it might help to put some things in perspective.
Last year, the Bengals had the worst offense in the NFL 32nd in scoring, 32nd in total yards. Now we have the 16th best in scoring, 18th best in total yards. Pretty significant improvement? Right?
I know, I know…that was without Palmer and now we have Palmer and it should be 2005 all over again. Well…this offense is a lot different than 2005. That team had a seasoned veteran line packed with top draft picks and a receiver/rb corps that had been in place for 3 years. We had veteran TE and a second year RB with good pass catching skills.
Yes, Palmer’s back, but the 2005 offense isn’t. It’s clear that our line, while exceeding preseason expectations, is still in the learning process. Additionally, Ochocinco is the only receiver that Palmer has a history with and its obvious that he doesn’t have the chemistry yet with the veteran Coles or 2nd year Caldwell.
Now, I would say our offense is clearly on the upswing. Meaning, there is no reason to think that they won’t get better as Smith gets more reps and the groups gets more comfortable playing as a unit. Similarly, Caldwell looks like the real deal and I think we will see him improve as well as he and Palmer get used to each other.
If the Bengals add a playmaker next year—preferaby a speed back—and our offensive line gets better, we could approach 2005 form.
This year however, I think the Bengals offense is kind of what you see is what you get. When we win its because we controlled the ball for 38 minutes and kept your offense off the field.
The way we will see improvement this year is by eliminating the mental mistakes—penalties and turnovers. Those are the things that will kill us…not lack of an explosive passing game. And I think those things are correctable… .now…this year. If we do that, I think we could make a deep run.
Way off topic..
But I love when the ref declares “number 74 is an eligible receiver, number 74”, and the whole crowd goes crazy. We must hear that at least ten times a game, hilarious!
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Dec 7, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions
The fact is that a deep threat down the field is a better “blocker” then any non receiving blocking WR will ever be. It also opens the passing game up. I know many disagree with the Simpson call but then you need to grab anybody off the street if your not willing to take a chance on him. Henry couldnt block a lick but the Rrunning game was better and actually Scored TDS when he was in there. Its comical how the DBs dont honor the the deep pass on Purify Caldwell or Coles. A guy that takes a safety and CB with him is better then any blocker at the wideout postion. If you can get a guy to do both the better but we just dont have that. So why not take the passing threat
I think unti you get Palmer that threat you will see a lot of Rushing YDs but less Rushing TDS, red zone stalls and a out of sinc passing game. A decoy at this point is better then what Purify ,Coles and Cald well can bring with their limitations
Nothing like resorting to trick plays to beat the Lions.
I know he plays WR, but why not put him in the burner lane a couple of times to stretch the field? I hear he’s very crafty.
yeah, somebody with speed,
other than the ones who don’t have that speed. We have to do something there.
On a side note
If GB holds the 13 point lead the have now with less than two minutes remaining, our magic number becomes 1
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 7, 2009 11:56 PM EST reply actions

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