When is a Bengals win not really a Bengals win?
I can't remember a time when the Bengals won games and a majority of the people said, "yea, but" in response. Hey man, the Bengals beat the Lions. "Yea, but, our offense sucked." Hey man, the Bengals beat the Browns. "Yea, but the Browns suck." Hey man, the Bengals swept the Ravens, Steelers and beat a possible Wild Card team in Green Bay. "Yea, but a bounce in any of those games could have gone either way and we could have lost it."
Paul Daugherty wrote, "If the goal is to make the playoffs, no problem with 2-1 in the last 3 weeks. If it's something more, something needs to change." Chick Ludwig wrote "But let's face it... The Bengals won two of three from the league’s dregs — a loss at Oakland followed by triumphs over Cleveland and Detroit."
In all honesty, I can see the point. Most of us think that the Bengals should have averaged a margin of victory well into the 30s against the Browns, Lions and, yes, the Oakland Raiders. But if you take an honest look at the Bengals offense, they're not exactly designed to win by 30 points, much less score 30 points. Only twice have they reached 30 points or more. Before Sunday's 23-13 win over the Lions, the Bengals scored less than 20 in four straight and six of the past seven games. Including the Lions, the Bengals have scored more than 20 points five times this season -- all of which are wins.
Note: In three losses this year, the Bengals have turned the ball over nine times. In their nine wins, they've turned the ball over 10 times.
But how important is it to blow away lesser opposition? In terms of the standings, it doesn't mean a thing, provided you win those games.
The 9-3 San Diego Chargers beat the Oakland Raiders twice this year; neither win by more than one possession. In week one, the Chargers needed to march 89 yards with 2:30 left in the game on Oakland's defense, down by a field goal. In week eight, the undefeated Indianapolis Colts had just taken an 18-14 lead over the San Francisco 49ers entering the fourth quarter, hanging on with a good defense in the end (sound familiar?). Indianapolis beat the Jaguars, Dolphins, Texans (twice) and Ravens by less than a touchdown. The prolific New Orleans Saints needed overtime -- and a fumble -- against the Washington Redskins to keep an unblemished record while barely beating the 1-11 St. Louis Rams 28-23 in week ten.
The Bengals are not unlike other successful teams this year. Granted, the Colts and Saints are undefeated and the 10-2 Minnesota Vikings finally played their worst game against a good and aggressive Arizona Cardinals team who wanted to remind people that they were the defending NFC Champions. But only the Colts, Saints and Vikings sport a better record than the Bengals in the NFL.
| Defense in last six games | |
| Opp. | Yards |
| Bears | 279 |
| Ravens | 215 |
| Steelers | 226 |
| Raiders | 275 |
| Browns | 169 |
| Lions | 245 |
However, what the Vikings, Saints or the Colts don't have is Cincinnati's defense. As of Monday morning, the Bengals sport the league's fourth overall defense, the best scoring defense and Cincinnati's offense is one second away from having the best average time of possession in the NFL -- Bengals average 33:58 of offense; the Patriots average 33:59. Furthermore, Cincinnati allows the least amount of third down conversions in the NFL and only 16.4 first downs allowed per game (second in the NFL).
So the question isn't so much how this offense gets better -- or how obsessed we are that it should be picture perfect. The question is how great is this defense playing and will it have enough steam in the post season?
Furthermore, games against the Lions, Browns and Raiders did not come with time warp technology showing exactly how the Bengals would play against the Vikings, Chargers, Jets, Chiefs, Colts, Patriots, Broncos (again) or Jacksonville. Cincinnati's game plans, against the past three games, were geared towards running the football against rush deficient defenses. And for the most part, it worked.
Brian Billick was definitely right about one thing during Sunday's broadcast. This Bengals team isn't just about being a potent offense anymore. It's about a powerful rushing attack and one of the league's best defenses. No this style of play doesn't help with all of our weakened heart conditions, but it does win football games. And that's what you want, right?
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Excellent article
We’re not used to winning, and we’re certainly not used to a team running the ball 50% of the time (more in recent games) and defending well. After so many years of ineptitude, I don’t blame folks for their “Yea, but…” reactions.
Me, I’m going to enjoy the win. There’s still a lot of football left to play, and I can’t wait to see how our defense matches up against Favre & Peterson, Rivers & Tomlinson.
by perfectsand on Dec 7, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent, Josh.
This is very much what I tried to convey in my recap late last night. The boys are getting it done, and they’ve been doing it all season with a couple of “oops” moments here and there along the way. The only thing I worry about right now is this: what kind of surgery did Domata Peko have this morning, and when will he be back?
by A Pragmatic Bengals Fan on Dec 7, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Its funny...
…as I am sure you know…I live in Pittsburgh and I am probably less concerned about the Bengals offense than a lot of folks because I suppose I have internalized what winning looks like in Pittsburgh (at least up until this year). Defense plays great, offense plays ugly but doesn’t do anything to cost the game. That’s normal here and its earned Pittsburgh a couple Super Bowl rings if I recall.
I think all Bengals fans have that instinct to second guess everything…even if its a win. Its like a defense mechanism against getting one’s hopes up to high after having them dashed so often.
by goffchile on Dec 7, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
well done Kirk.
It’s hard to ignore that “too good to be true” feeling deep in my gut. But the Bengals are winning and our defense is destroying opponents game plans like it’s 1999 (the saying, not the team). It’s not pretty, it’s not flashy, and it’s definitely not 2005.. but maybe thats a good thing.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Dec 7, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank God someone around here has some perspective.
I can’t stand how people are like “If Simpson and Chase don’t play, we’re going to miss the playoffs!!! ZOMG!!!” and “OMG PURIFY sux!!!!”
Look, we’re a running team now. That’s where our offense comes from. When we’re up by 7 and can drive down the field, eat 8 minutes of clock, and kick the field goal in the 4th quarter, that’s what you need. The Bengals have been getting ahead of teams early, and sealing the wins (with the obvious exception of the Oakland game. I put that one on Andre Caldwell.) Marvin Lewis is playing with the 45 guys that best fit his system. I’m loving watching them win, and can’t wait to see them beat the Vikings next week!
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
by ZJiff30 on Dec 7, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
if i hear one more person talk about Simpson and Coffman getting PT i’m going to shake my head in disappointment and wish i didn’t hear it. i’m not the violent type.
by GrooveLeg on Dec 7, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't say why, exactly...
but I lol’d hard when I read that.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
by ZJiff30 on Dec 7, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Oakland loss
was due to the 3rd and 4 fade pass to the 4th running back. You just said the team is supposed to be able to run out the clock. They led by seven with six minutes left and had the ball.
The Raiders totally stuffed the run by the way. 10 plays for zero or negative yards. You think other playoff teams aren’t capable of stopping it? Yesterday the run game was averaging 3.1 or whatever. That doesn’t sound like sealing wins against a team like the Colts.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 7, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for writing this article Mr. Kirk,
Bengals fans sound like women, as soon as you give them what they’ve been asking for, they want more.
“we just want to win.” OK, prayers answered. ‘Oh, well, thanks but, we want to win by 40, that wasn’t really what we were looking for."
??
I’m just loving this season. It’s not often the Bengals are sporting a 9-3 record (actually, it’s pretty much never.) With clocking-killing, punishing rushing, and FRESH defense, they’re racking up what we want – WINS.
I still can’t understand how quickly people have forgotten the 4th Quarter letdowns we experience year after year….ya know, when we couldn’t stop the run, and we didn’t have anyone to “put the hay in the barn” (love that quote) How dare the Bengals for winning this way!
(If you plan on replying to this with some “they won’t be able to pass with other teams” crap….save your time, i’m not interested.)
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Dec 7, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL. I wouldn't call Bengals fans women...
Just saying, enjoy the ride. Who knows how long it lasts.
Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.
by Kirkendall on Dec 7, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know, i broke the cardinal rule...
…never start an argument with an insult.
All i was getting at was quite simple:
On December 7th, 2009, we have the luxury of decorating ourselves in a shade of 9-3 orange.
On December 7th, 2008, we had just been hammered 35-3 by the colts to fall to 1-11-1.
(My oh my, how much things can change in 365 days.)
Enjoy this people. We could be on the verge of something special.
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Dec 7, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Idiots?
Anyone that complains that we are not “winning how we should win” is quite simply an idiot. 9-3, division sweep, playoff bound, christ, what else can you ask for as a fan.
by Tommyboy45 on Dec 7, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+the national debt
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Dec 7, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what i'm excited about
is how disappointed the players sounded after the game. Carson said it, they expect to win by more than 2 TD, that’s not just talk, that’s believing in yourself. I am excited to see what they do the next two weeks and just maybe start to peak offensively.
by swebbIL on Dec 7, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Minus the turnovers yesterday, I think we would have won by 2TD’s.
This is our year!
by Carsonorbust on Dec 7, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and the coats drop.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
by ZJiff30 on Dec 7, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Carson forgot that he has to gently toss the ball to coats.
Kind of like when you’re playing catch out in the back yard with your 5 year old son. Don’t put any sort of heat on it. Don’t make him reach out for it. Make sure he’s paying attention and knows the balls coming his way before you launch it.
by UpStateMike on Dec 8, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Currently 3rd
We are no longer in 2nd place in the AFC. I hope that we can win the next two games. I’ve never rooted for Dallas until this week!
by sgiridharan1982 on Dec 7, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the game at SD will decide it
win that and we’re golden.
by swebbIL on Dec 7, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It really doesn't matter what the Bengals
do against Minn or the Chargers do against Dallas, the team that wins the head-to-head game has a great chance to be #2 seed. SD’s other two games are against Washington (should win) and the Titans (they could lose there but I think the Titans will be mathematically out of it by then)
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 7, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bingo...
we could lose next week and the chargers could win, vice versa, we could both lose or both win.
Nothing that happens this week matters – except injuries of course. The Bengals absolutely have to have their sights on San Diego.
If they want a BYE in the playoffs, they must beat the Chargers. They’re neck-and-neck with each other right now, and with Indy at 12-0, and New England at 7-5, this #2 Seed is btwn the Bengals and the Chargers, period.
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Dec 7, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The wins always matter
The Chargers game will be the most important, but all wins are important for us at this point. Don’t forget that we haven’t even clinched our division yet.
With four games left, we have to win 2 to clinch the division to even make sure that we get in the playoffs and I hope that we don’t take any of them for granted. We have two elite teams left on our schedule and that’s enough to make things dicey.
This is our year!
by Carsonorbust on Dec 7, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually, if Baltimore loses tonight
we only need 1 to win the division. Just saying.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
by ZJiff30 on Dec 7, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only time I can think of:
is when i want them to draft a certain player and they need to lose to get the draft position to get the guy.But this year is nuts if people are complaining about wins just blows me away.
by Jasonistheman11 on Dec 8, 2009 10:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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