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Brandon Johnson or Keith Rivers




When is keith rivers gonna make a play? sure he is solid but he doesn't even have a sack yet.  Brandon Johnson on the other hand shows up all over the field whenever he is in the game.  I still believe in rivers but he needs to be more aggressive. Whenever he blitzes he seems to slow down before taking on his blocker whereas brandon johnson tries to run through them.  Any thoughts? Who Dey! 

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yeah, I've noticed that

I hate to say it but he was more aggressive his first 8 games last year before that cheap shot from The Coward Hines Ward. Sometimes a boxer is never the same after getting KO’ed. I hope I’m wrong about this but I have been quietly observing that all year.

by steve whodey on Dec 8, 2009 1:03 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

The next two games are BIG

I expect Zimmer to have the Defense ready and motivated to dominate the game, and Rivers is having a solid year, but yeah, he’s sackless. Time to get the motor running. I would expect various packages to be rolled out, and both Rivers and Johnson will get some series to keep the O guessing and keep everyone fresh.

by UpStateMike on Dec 8, 2009 4:49 AM EST reply actions  

i don’t think rivers gets sent on a lot of pass blitzes. he’s usually used more in coverage on those plays while dhani goes after the quarterback. i don’t think it’s symptomatic of the player, just how he’s used.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Dec 8, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah the sack stat for Rivers is pointless. He's solid all the way around.

Plus this is only his true first full year, he needs time.

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by trotanoy on Dec 8, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnson is a beast

When he is on the field, they are calling his name on every play. I like Rivers, and he plays solid D, but he just doesn’t seem explosive.

by smoormandiddy on Dec 8, 2009 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

Heh

You know I was going to argue this, but I just stared at the computer screen. I had nothing. I don’t know who is better (in terms of talent and all that jazz), but Johnson is playing better… by far.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Dec 8, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

I say put Johnson at strong

keep Rivers at will, and rotate out Maualuga and Jones at middle

CB85......Collaros for Heisman

by TennBengalfan on Dec 8, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

hey, that's a great idea

lets take out our defensive QB and put in our rookie! Brett Favre won’t expose that.. nah!

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Dec 8, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm did I say Bench him?

“Rotate” as Jones gets tired because Maualuga has been less than spectacular. you guys are talking about benching Rivers!!!

CB85......Collaros for Heisman

by TennBengalfan on Dec 8, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If anything

We would put Rivers at strong or middle
B Johnson cant play anything but WLB, he’s too skinny

"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"

by Joe Goodberry on Dec 8, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I have faith in Zimmer

whatever he does im good with

CB85......Collaros for Heisman

by TennBengalfan on Dec 8, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

who is talking about benching Rivers?

I like our rotation just the way it is, apparently so does Zimmer. Why would we rotate our MLB, especially when his replacement would be a rookie. Sounds disastrous.. Next year maybe when he has the offseason to adjust back to playing in the middle, then we could even play with bringing in Jeanty on running downs.. now thats sexy!

by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Dec 9, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnson had played the Best of all our LB's this season

But this website that looks at film and breaks it downs say Keith Rivers has been the 4th best OLB in the NFL this season

www.profootballfocus.com

"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"

by Joe Goodberry on Dec 8, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

interesting

actually he is ranked the 7th best overall 4-3D OLB. That is pretty far from the 4th OLB, but it is better than I would have thought. The real shocker is the snaps. Somehow Johnson has 430 (34 tackles) this year and Rivers has only 262 (32 tackles). heck, Rey only has 350 (32 tackles)Definitly shows me Rivers has been more productive with less and Johnson is a versitle backup. I still say stats aside, Keith looked more dominate last year.

by steve whodey on Dec 8, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He was #4 last week

Maybe some players have moved ahead while Rivers was injured
And 7th is still good. there are 64 Starting OLB in the league and at least 30 Nickle LBs like Brandon Johnson. So being 7th out of 90 OLB that play is pretty good

"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"

by Joe Goodberry on Dec 8, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

...

I think those rankings are somewhat misleading. Brian Leonard is ranked #18 and Ced is at #35? I mean I know Ced missed a couple of games but still. Doesn’t do justice to the quality and impact that a player has on it’s team.

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by trotanoy on Dec 8, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Peko at #61? I don't think so. It's a cool site though.

If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't

by trotanoy on Dec 8, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You can teach long!

B Johnson , M Johnson and Fanene have all been beasts and they all are 6’ 4" or taller.. I would love to see a way to get Johnson in there more. i like the idea above about rotating Rey and Dhani and keeping Rivers and Johnson both in

by BENGAL BOY on Dec 8, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

nope

Never

"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"

by Joe Goodberry on Dec 8, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep him in on offense as well,

he can block and be our speed threat.

also point man on ST

I guess a winning record brings out freaks.

by supergrover on Dec 8, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I told first Pick

I have faith in Zimmer, whatever he chooses Im good with

CB85......Collaros for Heisman

by TennBengalfan on Dec 8, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah keep Dhani in

I love the way Brandon Johnson plays. He’s a nasty mean dude on the field. The way he played in the Pittsburgh game had me thinking that our defense was the defense Pittsburgh has had all of these years recently… Mean, tough, in your face. Rivers is solid on D but I would love to see him be a little more aggressive and show some toughness. If not, we need to find a way to get Brandon Johnson in there more. Dhani has been playing great. To put a rookie in at any time for Dhani would be a mistake.

by WhoDeyDerek on Dec 8, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

...

Rey-Rey should be more productive when he’s moved to his natural position, MLB. Dhani is getting up there in years so I don’t know what’s gonna happen there in the near future.

As far as River goes, he’s been solid, no doubt. He might’ve looked better last year but he’s still solid, he needs more time I think. Johnson is a good backup line backer, and I say back up, because I think our starting trio deserves to be starting over anybody else.

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by trotanoy on Dec 8, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

Is there any way to keep Johnson for next year?

I hope they can …. but I am guessing he is going to want to be a starter. I don’t see how he is a starter on this team. Rivers was drafted to be WILL.

by California Bengal Fan on Dec 9, 2009 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

Well

I think there are two ways to get him back:

1) If there isn’t a new CBA, I believe he is a restricted free agent rather than unrestricted, so we can match any offer.

2) If there is a new CBA, we can just sign him like any free agent. I’m not sure either if he wants to go be a starter somewhere else or not, which is probably what it all boils down to. He does see a lot of time on the field in his curren situation.

by AB on Dec 9, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The linebacker corps we have right now and how they are used is working very well.

I would not change a thing.

They are all adding value. Some are better stopping the run, like Rivers and Ray. Some are better at blitzing like Dhani and Brandon. They get the job done as well as any LB group in the NFL. I can’t believe any of them would complain about time on the field or who “starts”.

by UpStateMike on Dec 9, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

bzackly.

I guess a winning record brings out freaks.

by supergrover on Dec 9, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

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