Six-Pack of Hu-Dey: Time for a new contract extension for Marvin Lewis?

Welcome to this week's Six-Pack of Hu-Dey. Today Jay McDonnell joins us. I (Josh Kirkendall, the Alpha Male) discusses why the Bengals should give Marvin Lewis a contract extension, why Leon Hall should be grouped with the league's elite cornerbacks and I ask whether the team's three-tackle rotation at right tackle should be changed.
Jay says that it's time to cut Daniel Coats, that it's time for Bob Bratkowski to become less predictable and that fans of our divisional foes (ah hum, the Steelers) should give a little respect to the Bengals this season.
Let's get to it.
The Bengals give Marvin Lewis another contract extension after this season. I believe in two things. If the moon had never existed, the complex living organisms that exist today simply don't exist either. I also believe that Marvin Lewis has developed a talent rebuilding teams. Theoretically, it would be nice that rebuilding projects were spaced out more with the Bengals and that the train keeps rolling year, after year, after year. Realistically, even organizations that pump out winners like the Patriots or the St... St... St... Steelers need periods to rebuild themselves. Marvin Lewis is now in his seventh season, finishing his second rebuilding project. This, just perhaps, could be his masterpiece.
After going 1-11-1 in 2008, the Bengals have remarkably won 13 of their next 16 games. These changes include, but are far from being limited to, a deep understanding of the team's personnel. Most notably, Lewis revised the team's entire philosophy to a powerful rush offense and a tremendously performing defense. This will be his second rebuilding project after taking on a team that was 2-12 in 2002 and delivering four straight non-losing seasons and a playoff appearance in 2005.
I really believe that Lewis, like any NFL player, is getting better every season. I'm not just talking about his record either. Controversy is being handled with ease. Adversity is a distant thing of the bitter past with this team. Even his draft picks are improving. And when the team is down and out (ala, 2008), they unified and matured like we've never seen, into this group that we're damned proud of in 2009.
Lewis' existing contract expires after the 2010 season -- the same time the CBA expires, which may be a factor in NOT giving him an extension. The Bengals' biggest mistake would be letting two people leave Cincinnati, namely Mike Zimmer and Marvin Lewis. Lewis could arguably be the most important of the two. After all, he's the face of this franchise.
Is it time to for Andre Smith to get his first start or is the three-tackle rotation working? Okay, I get it. Why mess with chemistry? Let's read into the facts. The Bengals are 9-3, sport the league's sixth best rushing offense and have allowed only 22 sacks (which is tied for eight-best in the league). Quite honestly, the Bengals offensive line is the most improved unit, of any unit, on this team. They deserve tremendous credit for the team's transition into one of the best AFC teams that's dismantled both teams that played in the 2008 AFC Championship game. Personal note: I still like writing that.
One of those success stories on the line is Dennis Roland, who has come from undrafted free agent, to starting right tackle, to the biggest guy in human history to go into motion causing safeties and outside linebackers to say under their breath, "oh f**k." Also, in truth, Roland is an accomplished run blocker, if not one of the better run blockers on this team.
But where he's strong with the rushing offense, he's weak in pass protection. At times he appears slow against defensive ends with a quick inside step. This also leads to the lack of communication or awareness when a stunt brings an outside linebacker or safety on a blitz. Slowly Anthony Collins has quietly won more playing time, especially on passing downs.
From our understanding, Andre Smith's playing time is growing. They started him slowly with basic packages and plays. As they expand the playbook for Smith, he'll keep experiencing an increase in playing time. Cincinnati's use of the jumbo packages (putting three, sometimes four offensive tackles on the line) has led to Cedric Benson's best rushing this year. Whatever the Bengals are doing with the offensive line, it's working.
So the question is should the Bengals keep doing what they're doing, or should they give Andre Smith his first NFL start soon?
Should the national media put Leon Hall in the same class as Darrelle Revis? The other day I had a healthy helping of Hamburger Helper that did a Flozell Adams on my stomach. With an older copy of ESPN shouting "hey, I'll help you kill some time," I flipped to an NFL report. Like it was destiny, I kid you not. One of those reports called Leon Hall "the irreplaceable cornerback". Look at the numbers of the receivers that he's shutdown.
| Week | Receiver | Att | Comp | Yrds | TD | YPA |
| 1 | Brandon Marshall | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2 | Greg Jennings | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 3 | Santonio Holmes | 3 | 1 | 18 | 0 | 6.0 |
| 4 | Braylon Edwards | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 5/9 | Derrick Mason | 4 | 1 | 12 | 0 | 3.0 |
| 6 | Andre Johnson | 6 | 4 | 39 | 0 | 6.5 |
| 7 | Devin Hester | 3 | 2 | 28 | 0 | 9.3 |
As I said, it was an older copy so that's where the list ends. We could go on and presume that Hall is strictly covering the opposing team's best wide receiver, but that would be factually incorrect. Leon Hall mostly lines up on the left and the opposing offenses can shift wide receivers anywhere on the field. Furthermore, when the Bengals call zone, he's not always covering a receiver; rather a specific area on the field. However, we do know that in the past four games against the Steelers, Raiders, Browns and Lions, only two receivers gained 80 yards receiving or more (Santonio Holmes with 88 yards and Calvin Johnson with 123 yards).
The Jets' Darrelle Revis is widely considered the best cover cornerback in the league. He leads everyone with 28 passes defensed with five interceptions. Hall is second with 22 passes defensed and four interceptions. At the rate that Leon Hall is shutting down opposing wide receivers he should without a doubt be considered in the elite group of cornerbacks in the league.
Want to know the most scary part? Johnathan Joseph could theoretically be in the same elite group. Third in the league with 21 passes defensed and five interceptions, Joseph is developing a nasty habit of being one hell of a tackling cornerback -- kind of in the league of Charles Woodson. Well, close to it at least.
Would it be a stretch to say that the Bengals have the league's best cornerback duo?
A decision needs to be made about Daniel Coats. At the start of the season the kicking game struggled, which cost the Bengals valuable points, putting the game in doubt and forcing us to constantly check our blood pressure. When executing an extra point or a field goal, the snap was either too high or mishandled due to a bad snap causing Shayne Graham to get out of sync. This led to missed field goals or extra points, weighing heavily on the outcome of the game. So to solve the problem the Bengals released Brad St. Louis and brought in little known long snapper Clark Harris to take over these duties. This seems to have largely solved the problem with the kicking game.
At the same time another problem exists with Tight Ends not being able to catch the ball, specifically Dan Coats who has dropped more passes in the end zone than any other receiver on the team. When he does catch it, the ball is prone to squirting out only to see it recovered by the opposition. These drops and fumbles have cost the Bengals as much as Brad St. Louis ever did.
The Bengals set the standard by releasing the usually reliable St. Louis, sending a statement that poor play is not acceptable. But somehow, they see fit to hang onto a tight end that cannot catch a ball that hits him in his hands over and over again. Yes, the tight end position is thin with Ben Utecht being released and Reggie Kelly out for the season with a ruptured Achilles tendon. That however is no excuse for hanging onto a player that is extremely inconsistent and costing the team valuable points. J.P. Foschi seems to have taken on the opportunity and showed that he is not only able to block, but able to catch and hang onto passes. The precedent was set with the release of St. Louis; with Foschi showing his worth I think it is time for the Bengals to continue their message that mediocrity is not acceptable. Cut Dan Coats.
It is time for the predictable Bratkowski to become unpredictable. Despite the Bengals 9-3 record and mostly the same ingredients of an offense that once established a reputation as being an explosive offense in the past, the Bengals have only one game this season where they routed a team by more than 20 points. The defense has been the unit doing the heavy lifting while the offense seems to only do what is necessary to win the game. To some extent that is fine, until they run into an offense that is able to put up points and quickly (read: the Minnesota Vikings). There appears however to be a reason the offense has not been as explosive as first thought.
In this article published on Cincinnati.com, Bob Bratkowski acknowledges that he is “getting a little too ‘run on first down, run on second” in his play calling. Really? When did he find this out? How many of us see his play calling develop a pattern that causes teams to load eight in the box on a weekly basis? Does he not see this and want to make some kind of adjustment?
This kind of play calling makes the Bengals offense predictable allowing the opposing defense to load up the box, trying to force the Bengals to be one dimensional. But so far, teams have been unable to accomplish this on a regular basis. There is a thought process that you keep calling the same play until the defense stops it. I am not saying this should continue, but I am sure Brat does this because it works and he will probably continue to do this until someone stops it. However, since Brat has recognized this problem I hope he is able to adjust and open up the passing game showing opposing defenses that predictability is no longer an issue.
How about a little respect from our division foes? My wife and I live in an area that somehow seems to have more Pittsburgh Steeler fans then those who support the local team, the Washington Redskins. We work with several Steeler fans as well. These fans are as loyal as any. They will defend their team no matter the record and performance. But when the discussion turns to how the Bengals have surged ahead of the Steelers, they immediately run behind the 6 Super Bowl Championships and how they won two of the past four. They even cite how they qualified as a wild card team in 2005 and went on to win the Super Bowl, never mind the fact that Carson Palmer had his knee torn up by the Steelers.
The results of this season are not new to those fans; they have suffered through tough seasons following Super Bowl appearances dating back to 1996 against the Dallas Cowboys. Now that the Steelers are struggling and their fans are watching their playoff hopes fade, those fans seem to refuse to accept the fact the Bengals are the better team this season. The Steeler fans my wife and I have come across have shown a bit of arrogance and seem to expect to make the playoffs despite the heavy odds against them. With their current record of 6-6, a playoff appearance seems slim.
The Bengals have the AFC North pretty much sewn up with the magic number being one. Ask any Steeler fan though, and they will tell you how they are going to make the playoffs because of the soft schedule remaining. Well, I have some bad news for those Steeler fans that visit our fair web blog to read what we may have to say. The Steelers are not going to make the playoffs. After losing four straight games and giving up 4th quarter leads in three of those games, the vaunted defense has proved itself unable to protect a lead. This, of course, does not bode well for the defending Super Bowl Champs any chance their fans insist they still have to enter the playoff club in 2009.
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My 6 responses to 6 key questions.
1) I’d hate to see Zimmer leave. But I also believe without Lewis as the head coach, Zimmer wouldn’t be here nor have the same success. They work really well.
2) I would keep the rotation going and have Andre continue to get time on the field. Increasing it this week and next week is likely, because he’s a mountain to try and move on the way to get to the passer. Vikings have the #1 sack attack this year and Carson needs 2 trojans worth of protection.
3) Leon Hall should be going to the pro bowl. If not, it’s only because of politics.
4) Coats sucks as a receiver. Foshi is so much better than him. Don’t trow the ball to Coats and we’ll be ok.
5) Brat needs to change up and exploit the run game by doing a lot more play action passing and take a chance on some first downs by going DEEP!
6) Steelers and Ravens fans respect us, and now fear us, whether they say it or hide in their trophy room. We will need to dominate the AFC for another year before they admit it in public.
Ha!
They’ll never admit it in public.
I will say though that I’m sad to see the other AFC North teams struggle this year. Both the Steelers and the Ravens have gotten away from the intimidating smashmouth football that is the halmark of the AFC North. Their making the division look bad.
This is our year!
by Carsonorbust on Dec 9, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
So you are saying that the Steelers are out-Bungling the Bengals?
to use a reverse quote from an article I quite enjoyed reading after the last steelers game.
unfortunately
neither foschi or coats are much to speak of as receivers. the other team barely has to cover them.
by occams_tiger_teeth on Dec 9, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Foschi's made more catches than rock hands has.
18 catches @ 159 yards.
Coats is:
12 @ 118yards.
Foshi has also made CLUTCH catches.
keep zim and lewis no matter what
I know we have no playoff wins or anything yet, but we need to lock up zimmer and lewis for a while, lewis has made the bengals relavent again (two times) and zimmer has made us a tough team that nobody can run all over, lock them up and keep the winning going, as far as brat, he’s working with an offensive line that blocks greatly for the run but can’t pass block to save their lives
Coats
The guy was destined to be cut before opening day until Kelly and Utech both went down so they kept him because he A.) knows the system, and B.) can block, and C.) contibute to special team. He’s not great at either and the guy can’t catch a cold. He is a classic utility guy. They’ve only kept him because nothing better has presented itself.
Down the stretch, I would love to see a few red zone passes go to Roland when he goes in motion. So far he has been a blocker / decoy but I could see him make some “Vrabel” like plays in the future. His hands can’t be worse than Coats.
by smoormandiddy on Dec 9, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Respect in this league and other thoughts
Respect in this league is given to those based on the collective body of work. Looking at the Patriots, Colts, Steelers, etc…; one thing that comes to mind is consistency. Consistency in form of wins, playoff appearances, Super Bowl wins, team management, coaching, the list goes on.
The Bengals cannot hide from their past but need to move forward. We cannot expect respect from the Steelers fans, Ravens fans, and people in general after one season because our body of work doesn’t earn us anything. This season so far has been a blessing and I for one am extremely happy for the turn around. However to be relevant in this league and garner the respect and praise from our peers, pundits, fans, we need to be consistent.
I am unsure of the Bengals decision makers because these signings don’t establish a model for future success. It seems like we are signing players for a one and done successful season. It seems like we are putting our all of our eggs in one basket. And I am unsure of this strategy.
As far as Marvin getting an extension, I would like the Bengals to wait. The Bengals have been notorious for being cost conscious but I would like them to be result conscious. If things don’t go well next year, then we’ll end up placing the blame on Marvin and the coaching staff. I believe in the Bengals being a serious franchise but they have to start looking further down the road to establish themselves as legitimate team who would like to compete year in and year out.
But I think Marvin Lewis and Mike Zimmer are doing GREAT jobs!
by sgiridharan1982 on Dec 9, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
In order
1. I am not yet sold on the idea of extending Marvin. With all due respect to him—god knows he came into a horrible situation—he’s only had two winning seasons, and I feel that he’s been too slow to correct some key personnel situations (let’s call it the Tory James Phenomenon) and too loyal to certain assistant coaches and coordinators who shall remain nameless. If (when?) some other team tries to make Zimmer their HC, I’d be tempted to let Marvin go and hire Zimmer instead, assuming he’d be interested. But if Marvin can lead us deep into the playoffs, I’d be more open to it. This is football, where jobs are like the postseason: win and you’re in.
2. This is a cop-out, but, if Andre earns it, I think we should start him. Roland has stepped up for us, but I’m terrified at the thought of him going up against playoff-caliber pass-rushers. Incidentally, I’m glad Collins is coming out of his slump—he started out strong for us, last year, but he seemed to mysteriously devolve during the offseason.
3. Leon is hugely underrated, yes. Remember back when the knock on him was that he got torched by budding superstar Ted Ginn, Jr.? And now it’s “Ted who? Oh, that flaky returner for the Dolphins?” (Sorry, OSU fans.)
4. Yes, it’s time for Dan “I’d be a great non-blocking, non-catching, non-running H-Back if it were 1955, but it isn’t, though Brat doesn’t seem to be aware of this” Coats to go. Let’s hope Reggie Kelly comes back healthy and can be our third TE (with Coffman and Foschi being the other two.)
5. As long as unpredictable doesn’t mean “shovel passes,” I’m all for it.
6. Our division foes have come down with a case of holy-crap-we-may-miss-the-playoffsitis, and I doubt that respecting us (or any other team) is at the forefront of their minds, right now.
Oops.
In fairness to Coats, he can indeed block.
by Big Sky Bengal on Dec 9, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a fan of the fire Marvin and promote Zim bandwagon.
Marvin has done a great job in his tenure here given the circumstances. We are one of the smallest market teams in the league. If we are able to hold on to a coach that the players respect and work hard for we need to keep him as long as possible.
While all teams have to rebuild, the ones with long tenured coaches seem to end up being the most consistant. Look at the revolving door of coaches in Cleveland or our great run of coaches in the 90’s.
Zim has done a great job and desers a generous extension but don’t go too crazy and make him the head honcho. If that were the case Brat would have been promated after the 2005 season.
The two of them work great together. Let’s keep it that way.
In Order
1. I would extend Lewis. My thought here is who would replace him. KNowing Mike Brown it will be another coordinator from somewhere. Marvin is on the verge of getting tothe play-offs twice which makes him our most successful coach in 20 years. Why risk that on the next Mike Shula or Bruce Coslet. He has earned the right to stay. If your answer is Zim, why would he take a job from an organization which would fire a successful coach to hire him, how does that buy loyalty?
2. The Coaching staff has done well bringing him along, let them keep doing it.
3. Both guys should be in the Probowl, which is as much as you can get in who is the best CB until the all pro list comes out. I think they both have a great shot at being 2nd or 3rd team all-pro. They top the AFC CB lists in INTs (3 and 1) and Passes defensed (2 and 3), what more can you ask? BTW I saw two safeties covering Johnson on his TD, not a corner, so his yardage is mostly moot.
4. I would dress Coffman over Coats but not relase him until after the season. Roland fills the blocking TE role well when protecting leads. The one issue is that COats is a key teams blocker, and I would like to see Cosby or Scott to get some more big returns.
5. I thought Brat did better against Detroit, going over the top to Chad.
6. Steeteler fans are the worst, Lets get a superbowl to shut them up.
Unfortunately, we’ll need 7 before we can fully shut them up. Heck even then they’d probably still find some way to refuse to admit reality.
Pittsburghians
Have many ways to refuse reality, especially since most of them are unemployed.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 10, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Keep Lewis and Zimmer
The Bengals should keep Lewis as long as they can. Have we all forgotten what it was like before he arrived in Cincinnati? Since he’s been our coach, he’s won more games than he’s lost, he’s won two division championship in seven seasons (if you include this year) and he’s never been last in the division. He’s done this while competing in a division that has produced three of the last ten Super Bowl champions. The number of coaches that could have pulled this off would make up a very short list. I’m not satisfied with only one post season game and no post season victories, but in my book he’s earned a few more seasons to take us to the promised land. Besides, I’m not sure there are any coaches that are better than Lewis and also willing to work for the Bengals.
As for Zimmer, I’d love to keep him, but I’m not sure we’ll have a choice. With the success he’s had in Cincinnati and Dallas he’ll eventually get an offer to be a head coach somewhere else in the NFL.
fire him? Fire him? you... fire him?
paraphrasing the “playoffs” speech…
god d, people have short memories. The Bengals were a JOKE before Marvin Lewis. Not just a bad team or a noncompetitive team… they were a JOKE. The laughing stock of the NFL. No team right now really compares to what the Bengals were. they were WORSE than the old Buccaneers… and at least they were just a new team then.
Every year has been decent to good under ML. I can’t believe the people who bitched at the 2nd 8-8… then they bitched because Cinci couldn’t resurrect 2005 in 2006. After 05, really, the Bengals had to go back into rebuild because of the injuries.
Even the one shit year under his tenure, if you dare to look w/20-20, he clearly rebuilt the whole concept by converting the team to a run dominated scheme, so that the loss of one player (Palmer) wouldn’t necessarily kill all the work for the team.
I don’t get the ML hate.
I guess a winning record brings out freaks.
So glad this site isn't like Cincinnati.com
You say Fire Marvin Lewis or Fire Dusty Baker on there it would be because you are a racist redneck who enjoys committing hate crimes in your down time. I can see why people want to hire zimmer. In 2 years he has basically transformed this defense into a run stuffing pass deflecting hard hitting fearful defense. I know everyone is worried that we don’t score a lot but these high powered offensive teams are not going to be able to score this much against the bengals. I have always believed that Joseph and hall were underrated and now they are showing they are. Screw Revis I’d take hall anyday. Dude tackles and can cover, which is exactly what you want in your corner. My only concern is Peko being out. That is gonna mess up the run defense. Other then that the bengals should have their crappy games out of them and I can’t wait to watch them destroy new Orleans in the super bowl. Who dat vs. Who dey! It’s in the cards I just have a feeling.
by Diesel2405 on Dec 9, 2009 10:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Haven't really said Fire Lewis yet
but I’ve certainly uttered the words “Fire Baker” many times.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 10, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Steelers still have good odds to make the playoffs
Denver had lost 4 straight at one point, but they’re still in good position to make it. All Pitt has to do is jump past jacksonville. Their remaining schedule is doable. Jax has to play Indy, New England, and Miami.
Steelers still have to beat Baltimore too who holds the tie breaker. and the Ravens have Detroit, Chicago and the Raiders left on their schedule.
This is our year!
by Carsonorbust on Dec 10, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
I think keeping Zimmer is more important
Lewis is the “face of the franchise” and there does seem to be a lot of sentiment for players wanting to play for him. Until this year, his coaching has been suspect. Zimmer has completely revitalized our defense, and many of his designed schemes have been absolutely brilliant. Both will probably get extensions based on this year’s results, but Zimmer must stay whatever the cost.

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