Bengals offer Houshmandzadeh more than what Plaxico Burress and Hines Ward got
Bengals made offer. The question now, from a Cincinnati Bengals view, is what, if any offer was made to T.J. Houshmandzadeh that caused him to keep our little team on his map. Well, the money? Of course. Like, more than what Plaxico Burress and Hines Ward got, writes Joe Reedy.
Houshmandzadeh is weighing offers from three teams – the Bengals, Vikings and Seahawks. After a meeting at Vikings’ headquarters that lasted over five hours, he is in Minneapolis overnight.
The Bengals have been in discussions with McGuire and have an offer on the table higher than the deals of Plaxico Burress (five years, $35 million with $11 million guaranteed) and Hines Ward (five years, $33 million).
What do you guys think? That's a lot of bank, and could hurt our cap in 2009; however 2010 and beyond project to be uncapped seasons -- 2011 especially since the league will come to a work stoppage after the NFL draft if no CBA is agreed. Also, he signs, and we can put to bed any need to work on our wide receivers during the NFL draft allowing us to dig deeper into improving other areas. There also are unsubstantiated reports that the Vikings offered three years with $9 million a year.
So maybe it wasn't the money that kept the Bengals on his map.
We think the three teams, and why they're considered breaks down into the following.
Vikings - Most competitive team
Seahawks - Team that offered Houshmandzadeh the most
Bengals - Sentimental reasons, being pestered by Carson Palmer and boy Chad Johnson still on the team.
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Are the Vikings really the most "competitive" team?
They lack a QB that is worth a damn. They could be 6-10 as likely as 10-6, in my opinion.
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by TarZander on Mar 1, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yea, but 8-9 wins is possible to win NFC North... which means playoffs
Seems like the AFCN will have to win at least 11 games to win the division. In other words, who has the best change to make the playoffs this year?
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by Kirkendall on Mar 1, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They might lack a QB but anything has to be better than Gus Frerotte, living in Minnesota and not really being a Viking fan but having watched the games here, Gus was a sitting duck in the pocket, he was too slow. That being said, they won 10 games last year with Gus and TJack as the QB. You don’t need a superstar QB to win in this league as long as you got a good running game and a defense that can stop the run. The Vikings have both and are only losing one starter on defense ( Darren Sharper ) Whether it’s Sage or TJack as QB, all they have to do is limit mistakes and play within themselves, they’ll do just fine. Especially of they end up getting T.J. Houshmandzadeh
by Hunter34 on Mar 1, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reading Reedy's piece...
…my impression is that the Bengals, not the Hags, are offering the most coin. There’s no way they could beat $35 million + on a 3-year deal. And my bet is that’s the heart of the holdup. Housh wants to leave but no one is ponying up better $$$ than Cincy.
by BeerRun on Mar 1, 2009 10:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Could be
Just trying to figure out why Houshmanzadeh would want to go to Seattle. I mean, sure there’s the west coast thing, but that’s the same thing as saying that I’m close to home (Cincinnati) while working in Tennessee (the distance between “home” and “work” is what I’m driving at). Eh, maybe I’m wrong. I don’t know. Trying to come up with a reason — and it’s why I conclude most money.
My psychologist Mike Brown always suggested that I should use patience. Hummm… :-)
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by Kirkendall on Mar 1, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet the big benefit of either...
…Seattle or Minny is that they aren’t Cincinnati. TJ’s smarter than TKO was, he’s not going to come out and say “he’s done his time” but I have no doubt that’s how he feels. Then the Bengals went and screwed it all up by stepping up to the plate, and the market for his services turned out to be a lot softer than he thought.
by BeerRun on Mar 1, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"he’s not going to come out and say "he’s done his time" but I have no doubt that’s how he feels"
You and I have been saying that for two years now.
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by Kirkendall on Mar 1, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Length of the deal
Ocho85 made the point. The two examples that T.J.’s agent made were five year deals. So perhaps the Bengals offered five years, whereas the others offered short term deals.
On the other hand, the length really doesn’t matter these days. And signing bonuses have become a separate entity — only incorporated against the cap while propagating the bonuses throughout the life of the contract.
I need a nap.
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by Kirkendall on Mar 1, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the length would determine the portion that is owed to him if he gets cut, hurt etc.. over the five years. The longer the deal (Haynesworth, Dawkins for example) the more money teams can spread over the term but also a portion of it is guranteed to the player in case of such things happening. I think its a win-win. Ya he’s 32, but do you really think he’s going to stay for 5 years? But then again look at Marvin he’s turning 36 or 37 so WR can still be productive even in the latter stages of their career
"yeah so basically you got a qb with a bum elbow and ocho who is half spanish half retarded and thats it on offense eh"
- Wally, Best Friend/Giants Fan
by Ocho85 on Mar 1, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of coin for a 32 year old WR
Projecting that we do not have an elite RB, our OL will be mainly rookies and Palmer is one wrong elbow movement away from Tommy John surgery I think it’s too much.
Of course keeping him and 85 together gives the pretence that this isn’t a transitional season and helps keep bums on seats.
The Redskins deal for Chad looks more and more enticing….
by Squizza on Mar 1, 2009 11:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
but then again I look at a guy like Dawkins who takes a 5 years deal with the Broncos, the guy is 35 and obviously wont last the entire term of the contract but a portion of that deal will be owed to him. I think its 3 years deals in Minny & Seattle and possibly a 5 year deal to stay in Cinnci and him kind of being the emotional leader on Offense (him and Carson) i think he might be weighing his options to stay. If he’s waited this long what’s going to change about the Minny offer that he hasn’t accepted already. I think its a statement that he’s going to re-sing but we will see tommorow
"yeah so basically you got a qb with a bum elbow and ocho who is half spanish half retarded and thats it on offense eh"
- Wally, Best Friend/Giants Fan
by Ocho85 on Mar 1, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Housh to Seattle
It seems that you Cincy fans view the Seahawks as a Browns or Lions team. What you fail to see is that Housh is considering Seattle because they have a All Pro QB in Hasselbeck who is just over a year removed from putting up Franchise numbers and is a playoff team that had drastic, ridiculously unlucky injury situation with them putting every starting OL on the IR, Hasselbeck out 7 games, playing with 8 & 9 string WR due to injury and Kerney being out for most of the season, not to mention Tatupu and Trufant being injured over half the season. I know the Hawks were 4-12 and fans outside the Northwest wouldn’t really know this but, the Seahawks are a much better team when healthy than both the Vikings and the Bengals.
If I were Housh, wanted to win, I would choose the Seahawks over these other two teams solely based on the facts and the personnel on each team, Vikings don’t have a respectable QB(hell the Seahawks backup QB is better than any of the QB’s they have) , and Cincy ONLY has a QB.
by jcoleman on Mar 2, 2009 2:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
well, um...
Hasselbeck may be chronically bad-backed and isn’t all that great when he’s healthy. He’s only better than Tim Hasselbeck in that he doesn’t have to wake up next to that shrew from the View. T.J. would make one receiver on the roster and still no running game. Holmgren is gone and it remains to be seen whether his replacement can coach. I won’t put them in our league, in terms of misery and futility, but they earned that 4-12, they’re drafting two picks ahead of us, and they couldn’t hold a candle to Minnesota even if Frerotte were gonna be the starter there.
Moving along. Here’s something interesting. Seems the Giants managed to sign Chris Canty, Rocky Bernard, and Michael Boley in the first couple days of free agency. Each one of those guys would have been an asset to the Bengals. You mean to tell me we couldn’t get one of the three, couldn’t even get mentioned as being in the mix for one of them, couldn’t be stirred from our daily masturbation time in the money room of our palatial doublewide to notice there were players to be had? Nero to Ned, Mike both fiddles to flames he started and has a purty mouth.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 2, 2009 8:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seahawks
Sure I get your point that it seems Cincy fans might see the Seahawks as a bad team. I wouldn’t put them on the same pedastal as the Lions, but you finished with the same record as the Browns and you played in a lousy division. Then again, the Bengals has unlucky injury situation and we didn’t play the whole season with our All-Pro QB and still finished with a better record. The only thing the Seahawks win out on is that TJ would be the number 1 reciever there.
"yeah so basically you got a qb with a bum elbow and ocho who is half spanish half retarded and thats it on offense eh"
- Wally, Best Friend/Giants Fan
by Ocho85 on Mar 2, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vikings = 60 catches max. Very average QBs. Don’t get it from TJ’s perspective.
Seattle = More wins because of easy division. Hasselbeck can still play.
Bengals = Done nothing in free agency to send signal they want to win. Lost only marquis free agent other than TJ (S. Andrews).
by Mike Boyd on Mar 2, 2009 8:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Marquis free agent?
Just becuase they dumbed up and franchise-tagged Andrews last season doesn’t make him a world-beater this season any more than it did for Justin “$4.3M per sack” Smith! In fact, that’s the obvious comparison to Andrews on the other side of the ball: Justin Smith! Just show up, contribute, make sure the coaches all love your work ethic…but don’t do anything to make your TEAM any better or anything…jeez!
by TheWalrus1971 on Mar 2, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stacey Andrews is a marquee Free Agent Now?
Jeeze I actually thought losing him bolstered our team
"yeah so basically you got a qb with a bum elbow and ocho who is half spanish half retarded and thats it on offense eh"
- Wally, Best Friend/Giants Fan
by Ocho85 on Mar 2, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RE:
If you read other MSM reports, you’ll think that Andrews was the best free agent offensive tackle acquisition.
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by Kirkendall on Mar 2, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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