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Mike Brown weighs in on the overtime issues in the NFL.

"It isn't fair in all cases if you want to argue both teams don't have a chance with the ball, but both teams have an equal chance to get a hold of the ball," Brown said. "To me, it's quicker, decisive, and dramatic. I don't feel it's unfair."

In his first sentence, he says that not all cases are fair. Then he concludes that he doesn't this it's unfair. Technicalities of the English language included, this doesn't make sense. Yea, yea. What Brown says and does doesn't make sense. We know that. It's been established time and again. However, that doesn't justify the idiocracy that Brown, and the NFL, specifically speaking the Competition Committee, have when making confusing, bewildering, muddling, perplexing, mystifying statements.

Statically, it's not fair. On Friday, Rich McKay said that nearly 50% of the team's that won the coin toss, won the game on their first possession -- forcefully leaving the eventual losers without an offensive opportunity.

Q.  Rich, you talked a minute ago about overtime and there's nothing you're going to be in a position to propose this year.  Do you have the statistics on 2008, how many teams won the coin toss ended up winning the overtime game on that first possession?

RICH McKAY:  I do have those.  We talked long and hard about them.  In fact we put them in our survey and we talked to the players about them.  I think everybody is still comfortable with the system.  Let me give you what I have.

The team that won the coin toss won 63 percent of the games

Q.  On the first possession?

RICH McKAY:  No, they won 43.4 percent on the first possession.

Q.  And then you said 63 total?

RICH McKAY:  That's correct, 63.3 percent of the games they won, and they won 43.4 of them on the first possession.

Q.  Before I let you guys go, are those numbers at all troubling to you guys that they're so high, particularly 43 percent on the first possession?

RICH McKAY:  I'll speak for myself personally.  They are troubling to me personally in the sense that I would like to see a game that you would think was “more balanced”, but I will say that when you talk to the membership and you talk to the players, I think they're comfortable with the fact that they had a chance to play defense, the game is decided in sudden death.  There is a sense they like the system and the excitement that the system brings, and there's not a real complaint by them that, oh, well, we're not getting a chance to match.  Because in their feeling, and they're very clear about it, hey, we could have helped ourselves, all we had to do was stop them.

I sense more concern, and I've had some, but I've sensed more concern with the media about it probably than they do, meaning the players, the coaches, the members of the league.  It's been something that we didn't end up with any proposal this year.

The issue isn't that the team that won the coin toss eventually won the game. It's that nearly 50% of the losing teams didn't get that offensive snap. These are Rich McKay's numbers, not mine. They were troubling to him too.

Back to Brown's statement in which he says that overtime is "quicker, decisive, and dramatic". In truth, he's right. It is quicker, decisive and dramatic, as McKay also points out. And make no mistake about it, the NFL is an entertainment business. Still, it's confusing to me that an NFL owner would actually point out that the system is fair, and that the three descriptive words include absolutely little argument on a team's chances towards success. Quicker only means that the networks can switch over to their afternoon game, or prime time programming, where advertising is strongest. Dramatic, it is. But so is every overtime-based system in other sports in which both teams receive an equal offensive shake.

The solution is simple. Once both teams have at least one handle of the football, either an offensive snap, or on a kick (punt, kickoff) return, then the game goes into sudden death. All regulation rules apply. If 56.6% of the game's that went into overtime in 2008 allowed both teams an equal shake, then where's the problem? How does it hurt the league, or anyone else for that matter, if the other 43.4% are allowed to respond? If a third possession is required, then it's required. They'd still be as decisive and dramatic. Make it about the health of the sport by completing games fully, and fairly so the games are won on the field, not the probability of a coin flip. Don't do it because you want it to be quicker, or decisive, or dramatic. That's just irresponsible for an owner to say.

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the college overtime system is more dramatic. There just something anticlimactic about a team breaking one big play to get into field goal range, running the ball to center it, then kicking a field goal. I think NCAA version of back and forth drives with teams having to go for two after the second overtime is way more exciting. I don’t really care about whats quicker, i’d rather see the better team win even if it takes a little longer

by CincyMike56 on Mar 22, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

 To be fair what Brown said isn’t contradictory.

It isn’t fair in all cases if you want to argue both teams don’t have a chance with the ball

He’s saying that IF you argue that both teams don’t have a change to get the ball then OT isn’t fair.

But he goes on to say:

but both teams have an equal chance to get a hold of the ball

So he feels that both teams get the same chance to get the ball. At first that seems stupid, a flip of a coin is that the chance? But i guess what he means by an equal chance is that a defence can get the ball back/stop an offence so it is sort of fair.

So his position isn’t contradictory, but you know, appears to be wrong.

by Sheffieldbengal on Mar 22, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

As it is, everyone knows what the rules are. That should factor in to whether a team decides to play for the tie or goes for the win. If it’s between a simple PAT- and, then, the crapshoot of overtime, or a two-point conversion for the win in regulation, maybe that two-pointer begins to look more attractive. The same goes for that tying field goal versus actually pushing the ball into the endzone to win outright.

In the current situation, it’s a roll of the dice, while in a system like the NCAA’s, it favors the offensively skilled. I mean, think about it. Protecting the full length of the field, a team like Baltimore is unlikely to be beaten by anyone- removing the coin toss from the equation. Whereas, Arizona, say, becomes an even more potent offense when operating from the opponent’s 25. Hell, in any case, it’s not fair to someone. A tie is not something to be schemed for and should be avoided at all costs. Making it somehow more equitable is just unnecessary and smacks of handing out certificates of achievement to everyone rather than trophies to the actual winners..

by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 22, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Slow Down Kirk

First off, I have to call you out…43% is not “nearly half.”

And to me, that statistic is not that alarming.

Winning the coin toss does not guarantee you a win. PLAY DEFENSE! It’s not like you’re guaranteed 3 points by winning the toss! You have to field a kickoff, return it to a decent starting point….and pick up either a really big play OR at the very least, convert about at least 3 first downs to get into field goal range. And oh yeah, then, you have to kick a field goal.

Does everyone forget that the defense is on the field during all of this?!?!?

Does everyone also forget that these overtimes really DON’T happen THAT often??

For the millionth time, the NFL is different than college. These guys play 4 preseaon games, 16 regular season games, and up 3-4 post-season games. Anyone want to add up how many weeks/games that is???

NO ONE has any interest in extending games longer than they already are. NO ONE. Not the players (They already even said so)…the owners don’t want it…and the league doesn’t want it. Guys are fatigued and guys will get injured.

You’re indicating that the format isn’t fair…but it’s perfectly fair. Get the ball and score…or don’t get the ball and go stop them.

And anyone who wants to see the NFL move to more of a NCAA format has obviously not put more than 2 seconds thought into that idea…as it will never happen because no one has any interest in that format…nor does it make any sense.

Your format of each team getting an equal possession THEN sudden death starts still prolongs the game – which the players, owners and the committee do not want. The main point McKay, Brown and many others have stated is that there is NO interest in prolonging games. As a matter of fact, if you read those same transcripts that you cited, you will note that the the first call to order was discussing the length of the games. The average time was down this past year…and they were pleased with that.

by JohnCockToastin on Mar 23, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

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