Bengals have Andre Smith high on their draft board? Maybe that's not a bad thing
I admit, I'm still hesitant on the Bengals drafting Andre Smith. Not because of what fans from other teams think -- honestly, I could care less. Nor am I hesitant based on how the media characterizes the Bengals as a team of thugs, when half of the teams in the NFL still roster players that have been arrested more recently, even more frequently than the Bengals. Little-minded people tend to struggle to update their characterizations and generalizations with half-baked tools giggling with baseless profiling.
It's not a perceived "character" issue that worries me about Andre Smith. Maybe I've used that word before, but it was a baseless umbrella, because the general rule of thumb when talking about character issues these days are high-risk guys with a Tank Johnson-like armory in the cellar. The issue with Smith, as I understand it, isn't character -- rather it's work ethic. And if you want put work ethic under the umbrella of character, by all means, do it. After all, most words with subjective meanings will hold different perspectives based on the person.
Anyway, none of this is the heart of this post. Sorry.
Lately, I've started having this feeling that the Bengals will draft Smith because Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe will be off the board, and I believe the Bengals will still draft an offensive tackle. Now, it's impossible to know whom the Bengals will draft a month in advance. We're not so narcissistic to predict the future -- nor do we think our Jedi mind tricks are strong enough to take over the mind of a Sith Master, or Mike Brown.
Reader Mr. NC-17 pointed out a blurb by Lance McAlister in which Shotgun said
An NFL source, traveling to Pro Days this week, tells me they heard a key member of the Bengals brass indicate the team has Alabama's OT Andre Smith high on the draft board. At least one member of the Bengals decision-making staff wants to take Smith, according the the discussion.
Our feeling is that if you project the Bengals to become the third team within the first six picks of the NFL draft, then Andre Smith will be the team's left tackle.
More on Smith.
Scouts Inc rates Smith a "95", the third best OT and the 11th best player in the draft. This rating is long after Smith's embarrassing Combine, and Pro Day in which people felt his work ethic was highly questioned. However, Scout Inc said of Smith's character:
Was suspended for 2009 Sugar Bowl vs. Utah for improper dealings with an agent. Otherwise, he has had no off the field issues and coaches/teammates speak highly of him as a person.
They describe Smith's attributes:
| Strength/Toughness | 2 | Massive OT prospect. Thickly built. Good upper-body strength and elite lower-body strength. Can create a new line of scrimmage in the run game and can anchor versus powerful bull rushers when set in pass pro. Rarely loses a battle at the point of attack. Plays with a mean streak at times but is a bit inconsistent with his motor. |
| Agility | 3 | Displays good initial quickness and agility for his size. Shuffles well laterally when coming out of his stance and when working in one direction (either right or left). But he struggles when asked to change directions. He will occasionally be a step late getting into position as a second-level blocker. He lunges a lot when moving forward and struggles to recover. |
| Awareness | 2 | Shows adequate-to-good awareness. Understands assignments and picks up the blitz consistently (from an awareness standpoint). If he misses an assignment it's almost always due to physical, not mental. He knows the angles and where he's supposed to be almost always. He will stick with a play and find someone to hit if the ball carrier changes direction back his way. |
| Pass Protection | 3 | Can anchor versus top bull rushers when he's set with leverage. Shows adequate quickness in his pass pro set. Usually gets in position to protect the edge initially, but doesn't show ideal mirror-and-slide skills. Struggles to adjust to quick second-move (See: first series versus Kentucky when working against #51). Falls off far too many blocks. Doesn't jar DE's with his hand punch as effectively as he should. |
| Run Blocking | 1 | An absolute mauler. Overpowering at the point of attack. Takes solid angles and is almost always in position if the block is at the line of scrimmage. Shows good upper-body power and even stronger in the lower body. Drives defenders off the line of scrimmage. Only small concern here is that he sometimes is a bit slow getting into position as a second-level run blocker. |
ESPN's James Walker:
The two highest-rated tackles in Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe could be off the board for Cincinnati. From there, the team has to decide whether to take a risk (Alabama tackle Andre Smith) or a reach (Mississippi tackle Michael Oher). It may be safe to take the best available player on the defensive front seven. But the Bengals desperately have to address the tackle position on the first day with quarterback Carson Palmer coming back. Keep in mind Cincinnati now has 11 total picks in this draft, which gives the team a lot of flexibility to move up and down the draft board.
If the Bengals draft Andre smith, it's a risk. Michael Oher is a reach. Defensive front seven is safe -- Carson Palmer says "there's nothing safe about that", which Walker points out. Since I don't get to watch every college game and scout every college player, I admit that my knowledge on incoming rookies is limited -- so I rely on others. However, what Walker said is consistent with most analysis that I've heard/read regarding projected Bengals targets.

The following is an eight minute highlight clip of Smith, playing against Clemson, Georgia, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Auburn and Florida.
Based on the highlight alone, you see that Smith finishes his blocks, waits for rushers on pass protection which means stunts don't confuse him and he and seals rushing lanes. Not all of the plays were great, but you get the point. Also take note of this critical point -- these are highlights of football games; not how a guy looks while sprinting several months after the season, and several months before his promotion to the NFL. The Bengals have always fallen in love with workout warriors, and look how that's turned out in the past. No, Smith would fit well against that mold -- and doing things opposite with this organization is the point, right?
An NFL Network report on Alabama's Pro Day.
It isn't our point advocating Andre Smith as our first-round selection; however, drafting him might not be the disaster that some promote it as.
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great post Kirkendall. Looks like you did your homework on this guy. and as the draft nut that i am. I will have no problem with the Bengals taking this guy. His currently the 3rd best Tackle on the board, and just 2 months ago he was the sure #1 lineman. So lets not get soo bent out of shape with his combine and proday, sure he looked like the human blob. But hes actually in better shape than he was at the Combine. And when he comes to cincinnati for his personal workout, if he is showing continued progress in getting into shape. then Hes our guy
by firstPick on Mar 27, 2009 1:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice work Kirk
This is fabulous, great commentary, Kirk. My favorite line from the analysis: "Run Blocking -1 – An absolute mauler. "
Here’s the problem that i foresee. I’d say the #6 pick is narrowed down to 4 players, because i just don’t see Eugene Monroe slipping to #6, and definitely not Jason Smith.
- Beanie Wells – luxury pick, all the fans will complain that we didn’t draft an O-Lineman.
- Michael Crabtree – riots may break out on Mehring Way.
- BJ Raji – a solid pickup, but again, the fans will complain that we didn’t draft an O-Lineman
- Andre “The Giant” – the fans will complain that Mike Brown picked a character flawed O-Lineman, instead of waiting until the 2nd Round/ or trading the pick.
My point is that the Bengals can pick whoever they want, the fans are gonna complain about it. Until we see some winning, no draft pick is gonna be good enough to hush the critics.
So I like this article, simply because Andre Smith is worthy of the #6 pick, and I’m glad you cleared that up.
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Mar 27, 2009 8:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wells was #4, Crabtree #3, Raji #2, not sure what happened with my post
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Mar 27, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thx guys.
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by Kirkendall on Mar 27, 2009 8:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice scouting
Maybe the Bengals should hire you to do scouting! Finally some info besides the Combine blowup. It always amazes me that everybody puts so much emphasis on the combine results. How many of these guys are going to train their entire carreer like they did for the combine and Pro days? I was a pretty decent wrestler, but could not bench crap. The kid is what, 21 years old, 22? The video shows the kid can play. Can he be coached? He can get stronger. I bet the Wille, Ogden, Levi, and Orlando do not look very sexy with their shirt off either. What do his numbers compare to what those guys did at their combines?
Hudepohl Dey is exactly right, the Bengals will get hammered for what ever pick they make. Mel Kiper can kiss my a$$. He said Levi was a poor selection at the time also I think.
Does anybody know if any kind of report that compares draft pick by position and the corelation of success and failure. Something like what I read about the number one QB selected has an average 6.2 year of starting, compared to like 2 for the second QB taken. Are defensive players more likely to pan out as compared to offensive. What is the average draft pick position for pro bowlers. (This will give Kirkendall something to do in your spare time)
Raji is a one year wonder, Crabtree would be nice, just not this year, Beanie would be great, if we were picking 15. Stick with the O-line at 6, one of the top three should be available.
by nyeguy on Mar 27, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Job Kirk.
Here is my Andre Smith vs. Michael Oher Battle
Michael Oher
Personally, Michael Oher’s pro day was supposedly extremely well. Here is the thing about Michael Oher, he is an incredible pass rushing T, he has incredible footwork and upperbody strength on the football field. He tends to get beat by speed rushers, he tends to get too high up and gets bulldozed, he is inconsistant in the run blocking department. He will have holding penalities in the NFL. He shows flashes of complete incredibleness on the field, looking like a top 5 NFL tackle, but the other times he looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane and ends having the QB to rush the ball. Good stat though, I believe he only allowed 1 sack his senior year. Also if he would of came out last year he would of been a top 5 pick, and he only got better this year.
Andre Smith.
I Personally love him. I think the Media has created such a shit storm on him it really has effected his value. He had a combine disaster, but would we looked at him differently if he said “I will not participate due to injury” rather than “I will not participate because I am not ready.” Andre Smith on the field is a bulldozer. Watch all of his tape. The kid can flat out play. HE has very fluid footwork and very good on the field strength. I don’t give a crap about his 40. He is not a guard so he very rarely will ever have to do a pull. Andre Smith is a big body with potental to be a great in the NFL. What people are saying is “He is projected as a guard” I don’t see anything on his tape that proves that he is nothing but a tackle. His footwork, strength, abilility to FINISH the drive, hell he event caught a touchdown as a Freshman. He started all 3 years of school, never had an off field problem, Nick Sabin has been going to bat for him. Bypassing the guy who WAS ranked as the number 1 tackle untill the combine disaster will be such a thing. Disaster. I don’t see anything on tape that has the word “bust” I personally see that going to Jason Smith. Andre Smith after it is all said and done, can both pass and run block. Something this team needs.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Mar 27, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Andre Smith could be a potential Pro Bowl RT for many years to come. Paired with Anthony Collins, flanking Whit and Bobbie and a Wood, Mack, or Unger in the middle and we’re talking an elite line in the making. Notice, I said right tackle because I’m not sure he’s quick enough to protect Carson’s blind side but, then, that’s what Collins is there for. I’m good with picking him.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 27, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll repeat what I said on the MTD thread
I really like a offhand comment one of the position coaches
running a drill at the combine made to a player. A bunch of guys weren’t following the instructions (turning upfield instead of running out of bounds after catching a pass), even after he repeated to run out of bounds a few times, guys kept doing it. The last guy in the drill turned upfield and when he got back the coach told the group “"follow the instructions of the drill.” then quietly told the guy “Son, that’s part of what we are evaluating.”
A lot of times the raw numbers aren’t as important as how a guy prepares and follows instructions. Players know how much can rest on their performances so the guys who don’t prepare well, or listen well have some issues. When millions of dollars are at stake and a guy like Smith can’t work himself into decent shape or even make sure the team officials know he’s leaving the combine, I think it’s fair to doubt whether he’d be a hard worker with whoever drafted him.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
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by shake n bake on Mar 27, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Draft Strategy
So going by this post and the consensus of opinion the Bengals have three choices come the draft.
1. If Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe are available pick whichever is.
2. If neither of them are entertain trade offers for the #6 because all picks either do not fill a need or are “risky”.
3. If the Bengals do not receive an offer they consider good enough go with Andre Smith.
Personally I’d like to see us go with Ray Maualuga if we didn’t have such a pressing OL need. Presence, defensive leader, mean streak, motor.
by Squizza on Mar 28, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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