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Breaking down and ranking drafted positions in Cincinnati since 2003

Breaking down Cincinnati's draft since 2003, I wanted to see how many players were left at each position and the strength of that position based on the foundation of the team's drafted players. There were some positions I didn't bother listing. Like quarterback, since there's no emphasis of improving the position after the team drafted Carson Palmer. I didn't list Tight Ends, because the last Tight End taken before Matt Sherry in 2008, was Matt Schobel in 2002. We're not going to grade positions based on arbitrary made-up numbers and letters; rather simply point out how many players are left, and perhaps some equation of how many are (and were) starters. I placed a strong emphasis on where the team is today based on these draft picks; not how they've performed during their Cincinnati career, other than possibly being starters. We can have that discussion if you'd like, but that's not the heart of this post.

I am, however, going to rank the positions we've drafted. This is nothing more than my opinion, and not some concocted Football Outsiders formula.

Here goes.

Dating back to 2004, the Bengals have drafted eight defensive backs -- six of whom have multiple starts, two of whom are first-round draft picks. During the 2006 and 2007 draft, Lewis drafted four guys at all four defensive back positions that started at one time in multiple games. Of the nine defensive backs since 2003, five remain, one signed a rich contract with the Vikings and another helped the Colts into the playoffs. There has been talent drafted by the Bengals at defensive back.

Defensive Backs Year Round
Corey Lynch 2008 6
Leon Hall 2007 1
Marvin White 2007 4
Chinedum Ndukwe 2007 7
Johnathan Joseph 2006 1
Keiwan Ratliff 2004 2
Madieu Williams 2004 2
Greg Brooks 2004 7
Dennis Weathersby 2003 4

If you look at the list of offensive linemen, there is a lot of good. Eric Steinbach wasn't just a starter -- he played tackle and center. He was signed to one of the richest contracts in NFL history as a guard. Andrew Whitworth took over Steinbach's departed role as the team's starting guard, that can play tackle at a moment's notice. Anthony Collins was perhaps the biggest surprise when he was asked to block some of the league's best pass rushers at the tail-end of 2008. Stacy Andrews started several games, and left for more money in Philadelphia. While we're generally not happy about the way Ghiaciuc's career panned out, he has been the team's starting center since 2006 -- perhaps that's just lack of options? Of eight drafted offensive linemen, four remain and only one has significant starting experience -- however, Collins is on pace to be the team's starting tackle for this season and beyond.

The problem with the offensive line is the lack of players drafted that are starting today. Levi Jones was a 2002 draft pick and has possibly already played his final game in a Bengals uniform. Bobbie Williams was a free agent and Ghiaciuc and Andrews are likely gone. Heading into this season and next, the Bengals are lacking a core of drafted players because most of them have already left Cincinnati, or are, at best, backup talent.

Offensive Linemen Year Round
Anthony Collins 2008 4
Dan Santucci 2007 7
Andrew Whitworth 2006 2
Eric Ghiaciuc 2005 4
Adam Kieft 2005 5
Stacy Andrews 2004 4
Eric Steinbach 2003 2
Scott Kooistra 2003 7

I was conflicted with our defensive line. Since 2003, we've drafted ten defensive linemen -- six of whom remain with the team. Both of our projected starting defensive tackles are our draft picks, and the team's best pass rusher, Robert Geathers, was drafted in 2004. Toeaina was favored with some -- but having placed him on the practice squad for a significant period of time in 2007 opened the door for the Chicago Bears to sign him away. Pat Sims has a high ceiling and could be the team's starting defensive tackle for some time, while guys like Frostee Rucker, Jonathan Fanene and Jason Shirley remain fixed as backups. I don't believe we've drafted great with defensive linemen, but there we have picked up a few pieces that figure into the team's long-term vision.

Defensive Line Year Round
Pat Sims 2008 3
Jason Shirley 2008 5
Matt Toeaina 2007 6
Frostee Rucker 2006 3
Domata Peko 2006 4
Jonathan Fanene 2005 7
Matthias Askew 2004 4
Robert Geathers 2004 4
Langston Moore 2003 6
Elton Patterson 2003 7

I realize that ranking wide receivers could be the most premature of all positions. First of all, there was little reason to draft the best wide recever in any draft because the team had already invested in Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh -- even Peter Warrick was figuring into the team's long-term vision until a degrading knee condition suffered in 2003 ended his NFL career. Between 2003-2007, the teams drafted six wide receivers, primarily looking for depth and that viable #3 receiver. Even though he's embarrassed the team, and stunted his own growth, Chris Henry had both the talent and size to be the league's best #3 receiver. He's still with the team and reportedly working hard to have his talent and potential realized. During the last off-season (between 2007-2008), Chad Johnson cried and negotiations for T.J. Houshmandzadeh weren't going well. So the Bengals drafted three wide receivers, two of whom were thought to be replacements for both 30-plus year-old receivers. The 2008 draft was definitely considered a rebuilding draft for wideouts, therefore it's hard to really grade this. You can't based their projected careers on their rookie season's because of the talent that they had to leap-frog to get there. This season and next will be critical for them.

Wide Receivers Year Round
Jerome Simpson 2008 2
Andre Caldwell 2008 3
Mario Urrutia 2008 7
Ethan Kilmer 2006 7
Bennie Brazell 2006 7
Chris Henry 2005 3
Tab Perry 2005 6
Maurice Mann 2004 5
Kelly Washington 2003 3

Linebackers have always been cursed during the Marvin Lewis era. David Pollack, Odell Thurman, Ahmad Brooks and A.J. Nicholson never really had their careers realized for one reason or another -- ranging from injury, off-the-field issues to simply not being good enough. Landon Johnson started many games, led the team in tackles then left. Of the nine linebackers drafted since 2003, six have started. What makes linebackers ugly, is that only drafted linebacker remains on the team today.

Linebackers Year Round
Keith Rivers 2008 1
Angelo Craig 2008 7
Ahmad Brooks 2006s 3
A.J. Nicholson 2006 5
David Pollack 2005 1
Odell Thurman 2005 2
Caleb Miller 2004 3
Landon Johnson 2004 3
Khalid Abdullah 2003 5

Drafting running backs has been terrible for this team. If you exclude Jeremi Johnson, the Bengals have drafted Kenny Irons and Chris Perry since 2003. That's it. Irons' NFL career is likely over and Chris Perry has suffered through several season-long injuries that's hampered his production and development. Our ranking of running backs is mostly degraded based on the fact that we've picked up so few, and of those we did pick up, have been disappointing at best. Perry's 2005 season was cause for hope that he'd become the team's "two" or a one-two punch with Rudi Johnson -- or another powerback. That vision never fulfilled itself and if Perry isn't cut by the regular season, he's likely playing his final season in a Bengals uniform.

Running Backs Year Round
Kenny Irons 2007 2
Chris Perry 2004 1
Jeremi Johnson 2003 4

That's my opinion guys, what's yours?

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Great post. But I’d say the issue is that, regardless of who pops up on day one of the draft (as the Bengals will not have the foresight to “play” the draft to fit their needs), day two (or let’s say after round 4) provides some sort of depth and that hasn’t happened for a team supposedly “building through the draft”.

Look at the draft history, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Bengals_draft_history, the Bengals have not been able to deliver under Lewis, bar Ndukwe, after round 4.

With 11 picks, this draft has to be about depth, surely.

by wiseking on Mar 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post

thanks for the research!

by CincyMike56 on Mar 29, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

interesting

Nicely done. I’d give Lewis & Co credit for LB, as you can’t really tell what they would have had talent-wise with the group they got. Thurman was outstanding as a rookie, before the off-field stuff took him out. Pollack skipped camp his rookie year, then came back ready to go and almost immediately broke his neck. No way to know what they had with him. Rivers looked ok before the broken jaw, so his talent level remains to be seen. Everyone else is 3rd round or later, and they got a lot of quality starts out of Landon Johnson. Caleb Miller was a good backup. I thought Ahmad Brooks looked like he was really starting to flash potential as a pass rusher last year before he went out again.

I just hope they finally get a C, this is the perfect draft for it. Ghiaciuc just didn’t get it done.

by indesignkat on Apr 4, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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