Breaking down Coles' base salary, Thornton and Ghiaciuc to return?
by Kirkendall on Mar 9, 2009 10:01 AM EDT
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I guess George Foster and Naufahu Tahi are no longer targets.
If there's a "need" that the Bengals shouldn't address this year, it's drafting Jared Cook, a tight end.
Breaking down Laveranues Coles' base salary
2009 - $1.9 million
2010 - $4.65 million
2011 - $6.4 million
2012 - $6.4 million
The Bengals might be interested in bringing back John Thornton and Eric Ghiaciuc. Thornton, we like. We can understand bringing him back only strengthens the lockerroom. However, Ghiaciuc?
The reason the Bengals signed backup quarterback J.T. O'Sullivan was because it was budget friendly.
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No Foster? Bad. No Tahi? Meh.
Jared Cook is a need we should address but he’ll be long gone by the time we could afford to address it. Perhaps the similarly athletic kid from Wisconsin, Beckham(sp?). See Keller, Dustin.
Seeing as the last year of a deal is rarely paid out as set forth in the contract, I’d say we got Coles pretty cheap- 3yrs/ 13 mill, roughly. I’ve decided I’d accept the Patriots pick at 34(from KC) for Chad. Hell, I’d probably take a $25 Skyline gift card for him.
I’d like to have JT back and, unfortunately, we probably need Ghiaciuc back, unless we plan on inserting Mack/Unger/Woods/Luigs into the starting lineup from day one. Or are you banking on Cook/Santucci/Crummey?
The reason we signed JT0’S was that neither Rowe or Little Palmer has proven to be a capable backup
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 9, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You need to add Coles bonus in… he’s getting 9.6 total this year.
by kirby28 on Mar 10, 2009 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need a Fullback
I hope we don’t sleep on the need for a strong punishing fullback. Our best rushing days were when we had Neil or a healty J. Johnson opening hole for our backs.
I would love to see Thorton back.
by smoormandiddy on Mar 9, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cook
Everything at this time of the year is smoke and mirrors it’s hard to really tell what, who and when the Bengals, or anyone, will take a player. If anything i have seen more smoke/mirrors stuff this year from the Bengals.
by Sheffieldbengal on Mar 9, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Coffman may go earlier. Wasn’t Ingram out for most if not all of this past season? He’d be kind of hard to project. And Beckum was the guy I meant when I misspelled the kid from Wisconsin.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 9, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah…funny, considering Utecht is from Wisconsin, too…
by TheWalrus1971 on Mar 9, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so convinced that Utecht is a bust, guys...
He was either injured or playing hurt all last season, probably doing the latter to prove he was worth the contract he got. I know…the numbers stink to high heaven, but am I SO off-base in my belief that he might do a LOT better A.) healthy after an offseason to recoup; and B.) with a healthy #9 under center? Am I wrong?
by TheWalrus1971 on Mar 9, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Ouchtecht was a Minnesotan. But, yeah, you may be right. I just question his durability- I mean, who injures their sternum for chrissakes?- and his hands. You’re right though that last year was an anomaly for anyone’s stats around here.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 9, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ack!! You’re right…Minnesota…what was I thinking… D’oh!
by TheWalrus1971 on Mar 9, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would it be possible for the strength and conditioning staff to put 10-20 pounds on Ghiaciuc. It seems like if he was stronger, he would be a decent back up center
by R.F. Mehl on Mar 9, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Center
we need a mammoth center that can handle AFC North Defensive Tackles
by Braveslax1012 on Mar 9, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
some center stats
Our Centers:
Ghiaciuc- 6-4 303
Cook- 6-3 306
Santucci- 6-4 304
Crummey- 6-5 301
Pittsburgh Centers:
Hartwig- 6-4 312
Hartings- 6-3 295
Legursky- 6-1 323
Baltimore Centers:
Birk- 6-4 309
Chester- 6-3 305
Cleveland Centers:
Hank Fraley 6-2 310
Assorted High Caliber Centers around the league:
CHI- Olin Kreutz- 6-2 292
DEN- Ben Hamilton- 6-4 290
DAL Andre Gurode- 6-4 318
JAX Brad Meester- 6-3 295
Prospect Centers:
Mack- 6-4 311
Unger- 6-5 309
Luigs- 6-4 301
Wood- 6-4 310
Caldwell- 6-3 309
In fact, you have to go down a few draft estimations to find a massive center-
BYU’s Dallas Reynolds- 6-5 328.
Apparently, it isn’t Ghiaciuc’s size that’s the problem.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 9, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AFC North Center
It can be argued that playing center for the Bengals is the most challenging position in football. You have 6 games playing against Hampton, Ngota, and Rogers, 4 of which while calling the blocking scheme against LeBeau and Ryan’s insanely complex blitzing schemes.
With the increasing popularity of the 3-4 scheme, with massive NTs lining up right over the center, the small center is a dying breed, at least it should be for the Bengals.
Ghaicuic may never be a great center, but if we bulk him up, he should at least be able to not be thrown into Palmer. However, the Bengals should appreciate the importance of the the center position and be willing to trade up in the draft to get the a good center with their second pick.
by R.F. Mehl on Mar 9, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And...
…what IS Rich Braham doing nowadays, anyhow? Couldn’t we bring him back to coach up the center that we draft…just during training camp? C’mon…the man is a walking library of football-snappin’ knowledge…or something…
by TheWalrus1971 on Mar 9, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll resort to the unfortunately Vickian adage; “It’s not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog.” Kreutz is probably the nastiest center out there and he’s less than 300lbs. For a truly massive center, we’d probably have to resort to moving Bobbie Williams over and drafting a guard to go with our tackle.
Actually, that Dallas Reynolds kid out of BYU would be a massive center- plus, he’s started 37 consecutive games so he’s durable. And, if all else failed, he could scare Ngata, Hampton, and Rogers off by showing up in a short-sleeved white dress shirt, black pants, and riding a bicycle. “Oh, crap! Here comes Reynolds. Pretend we’re not home.”
On sheer strength, Penn State’s stubby-armed A.Q. Shipley is your man but, rumor is, Eric Wood is the nasty one.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Mar 10, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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