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Cincinnati won't draft a defensive end in the first; flash back on Matt Sherry

+ Chick Ludwig thinks that Bengals take Everette Brown (DE, FSU) in the first round. We love the Chickster, but this makes no sense to us. First of all, Brown isn't often "mocked" by the Bengals anymore, and it's generally assumed that the Bengals are going after an offensive tackle with their first round pick. When it wasn't an offensive tackle, it was defensive tackle B.J. Raji. Furthermore, it makes even less sense that the Bengals pick a defensive end in the first round. Period.

In mid-January, we made the argument why we don't think the Bengals will draft a defensive end.

After Robert Geathers' 10.5-sack season in 2006, the team awarded him a six-year deal, worth $33.75 million -- $12.5 million guaranteed and $1.25 million in incentives linked to sacks and Pro Bowl berths. Last off-season, the Bengals added Antwan Odom, signing him to a five-year deal worth $29.5 million and $11.5 million in guarantees. That's $63.25 million tied to two players at defensive end; $24 million of it guaranteed.

The Bengals had a $109,727,880 million payroll during the 2008 season; Odom had the fourth highest hit against the cap ($5.7 million) while Geathers had the seventh largest value ($4,233,333). We're not sure the 2009 values, but if they don't go up, at best they'll sink minutely -- provided the bonuses and guaranteed money that highly impacts the cap value isn't front loaded. Geathers' base salary will go from $2.2 million in 2008, to $2.4 million in 2009. Then it goes up to $3.25 million, $3.95 million ending in 2012 at $4.2 million. Odom will make $3.4 million over 2009 and 2010 respectively, cashing in 2011 with $4.5 million and $5.3 million in 2012.

I also added that "last year's sixth pick, Vernon Gholston, signed a five-year deal worth $40 million, with over $20 million guaranteed. LaRon Landry, the 2007 sixth-pick, signed a five-year deal with the Redskins worth $41.5 million, $17.5 million guaranteed." Consider that the cost would likely go up this year with the sixth round pick, combined with the contracts being earned by two defensive ends already on roster, that's a lot of money.

Yes, my primary argument was cost. My primary argument is still cost. Whether or not they should draft a defensive end in the first round is really irrelevant. The point is that we don't think that the Bengals will draft one.

+ The Football Expert does a seven-round mock draft with eleven picks for the Bengals. The tally is two offensive linemen, two running backs (one of which is a FB), two linebackers, a defensive end, quarterback, cornerback, tight end and wide receiver. Their selections are:

  1. Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
  2. Max Unger, C, Oregon
  3. Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty
  4. Kyle Moore, DE, USC
  5. Scott McKillop, ILB, Pittsburgh
  6. Tony Fiammetta, FB, Syracuse
  7. Dan Gronkowski, TE, Maryland
  8. Joe Burnett, CB, Central Florida
  9. Moise Fokou, OLB, Maryland
  10. Hunter Cantwell, QB, Louisville
  11. Brian Hartline, WR, tOSU

To be honest, the positions in which they drafted we've spoken about before; even quarterback, thinking that the Bengals could restart their groom-a-young-quarterback project (the one where Jeff Rowe failed) so we can have one backup quarterback for more than 1-2 seasons. Of that list, tight end is our only exception. With Reggie Kelly and Ben Utecht under contract through 2009, the Bengals are probably more inclined to reintroduce their third tight end, Matt Sherry.

Drafted as a speed pass-catching tight end, while struggling to be an "in-line blocking" end, Sherry was considered a tight end that the Bengals passing offense could use; maybe even flanking him out in motion. However, he suffered injury before the season started and didn't have his opportunities realized. Most likely, the Bengals will offer him another chance rather than drafting a fourth tight end in which would require them to release one of the three on roster.

+ Drafting wide receivers out of the University of Florida are always a gamble, writes Cold Hard Football Facts. Of the 16 drafted since 1991, Ike Hillard and Darrell Jackson have been the most successful. Still, being the homer that I am, I think (well, hope really) that Andre Caldwell will have something to say about all that before his career concludes.

Player
Year
Round
Rec.
Yards
TD
Andre Caldwell
2008
3
11
78
0
Dallas Baker
2007
7
1
6
0
Chad Jackson
2006
2
14
171
3
Taylor Jacobs
2003
2
37
384
2
Jabar Gaffney
2002
2
256
3068
15
Reche Caldwell
2002
2
152
1851
11
Travis Taylor
2000
1 (10)
312
4017
22
Darrell Jackson
2000
3
499
7132
51
Travis McGriff
1999
3
5
88
1
Jacquez Green
1998
2
162
2331
7
Ike Hilliard
1997
1 (7)
546
6397
35
Reidel Anthony
1997
1 (16)
144
1846
16
Chris Doering
1996
6
42
476
3
Jack Jackson
1995
4
4
39
0
Willie Jackson
1994
4
284
3641
24
Ernie Mills
1991
3
196
2934
20

+ Paul Daugherty writes an article that responds to Leon Hall's DUI. My only critique is that we shouldn't be addressing this specifically to NFL players. We should address with society as a whole -- because that's the issue, isn't it? Not that a professional football player got busted; rather drinking and driving is, and always has been, a societal issue. Granted, Daugherty is a sports columnist and not some human events editorialist, so maybe I'm off-base in my critique.

+ Found this Todd McShay 2009 Mock Draft that he wrote/released right after the 2008 NFL draft. It's an insider column, so I'll list his top-ten picks.

Team Player
Atlanta Falcons Fili Moala, DT, USC
Detroit Lions Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
Kansas City Chiefs Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
Miami Dolphins Al Woods, DT, LSU
Cincinnati Bengals Sen'Errick Marks, DT, Auburn
Oakland Raiders Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
Chicago Bears Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
San Francisco 49ers Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
St. Louis Rams Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC
New York Jets Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia

Three defensive tackles within the first five picks and a junior quarterback that stayed in Florida are the two noticeable differences. However, only Stafford, Smith and Oher are often considered likely top-ten picks with Moreno and Maualuga close behind.

More links and notes...

Keith Rivers on the transition from college to the NFL.

It was what every guy says, it’s more of a job. For me, on Thursdays, it was kind of like the movie Office Space, they had a case of the Mondays and I had a case of the Thursdays. (Laughs). I had to be up at 6:15 and be to workouts by 6:45 and not be done by 7 at night, so a little bit of a 12-hour day there. That’s the main thing, but as far as balling and everything, when you play at a high level with a great coach like coach (Pete) Carroll and coach (Ken) Norton you are kind of accustomed to it and you’re able to mix in fairly seamlessly. But it's just different, it's work.

When asked where he got his first name at, Tank Johnson simply responds, "You'll see." Guys shouldn't get giddy because men don't get giddy. I just got giddy.

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i honestly think the Bengals would take Knowshon Moreno before they took Everette Brown or any DE for that matter

by Joe Goodberry on Apr 11, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

No first day DEs, I’m guessing.

Us getting Monroe, Unger, Jennings, and Pitt ILB Scott McKillop would be an excellent draft, not even counting the other seven picks. Moore looks good on paper and in what little film I’ve seen. Fiammetta is no J-Train but seems like a solid, strong, and relatively quick fullback. Gronkowski is a beast- more Kelly than Utecht, but capable of producing as a pass catcher.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 11, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and

Matt Sherry? A speed pass-catching TE? From offensive juggernaut- hell, football juggernaut, Villanova? They still play football? Howie Long’s alma mater? So, what the fuck was Utecht- pronounced with the French “u” made by sphinctering up the lips and saying “e” try it- for?

by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 12, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leon Hall of Justice

From all that’s been reported, Leon Hall is a good guy, so I wish for the best possible outcome. To my way of thinking there is the ‘’pampered athlete’s’ reason for driving drunk, and a reason for the rest of us. When a pro athlete makes it home after driving drunk, he sees it as being entitled, invincible and immune to the laws. The rest of us? … well, we just feel lucky. I’m not sure in the longrun which perspectuve is worse for society. So maybe we all should just stop driving drunk.

by Timzilla on Apr 12, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

It's a problem, no doubt.

Look at the asshole who took out Nick Adenhart and his pals the other night- repeat offender, suspended license, driving anyway. What can you do? Taking the license doesn’t work, breathalyzer locks on the ignition can be circumvented, and though everyone’s against it in theory, you hear very little uproar over repeat offenders in fatality crashes except from the victims’ loved ones. Then, you’ve got lawyers with webpages and commercials telling potential inebriates how to best beat the charge should they feel like going for a spin- see “notguiltyadams.com”- refuse the breathalyzer, be polite to the cops, call lawyer immediately. Planning for the eventuality makes it seem not just stupid but malicious…sorry, got worked up in a rant from my high, sober horse.

by IgnatiusJReilly on Apr 12, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice Job !

  Great info Kirkendal ! I think Monroe’s stock has risen above #6 leaving us with the choice for OL’s between Andre Smith and Oher. It appears most like Smith, but I would select Oher as there is no doubt he is a true left tackle.

by laibach on Apr 12, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

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