Youth on the offensive line; playoff-bound or rebuilding year?
I admit it. I worry about things. Like how critical it is for the offensive line to keep Carson Palmer upright. There's a lot of impressed opinion that the Bengals will be a much better team now that Palmer is healthy. And I agree. However, a voice goes off in my head saying, "Palmer was healthy before the 2008 season, what happened then?" He got hurt. Levi Jones. Andre Whitworth. Eric Ghiaciuc. Bobbie Williams. Stacy "9.5 sacks" Andrews.
We are replacing three starting linemen from last year's kickoff weekend. A center and both tackles. Critical spots for pass protection. A smart center can call the protection schemes, point out blitzes, prepare for eventual stunts.
Dan Santucci, Kyle Cook, Andrew Crummey will compete with rookie Jonathan Luigs as the starting center. All four players have 13 games worth of NFL experience -- most of which isn't at center. Crummey played in the last series against the Colts as the team's center in 2008; however, most of his time during the season was on special teams. Similarly, Kyle Cook's action was on special teams in 2008; he was a practice squad player in 2007. Santucci played two games worth of special teams in 2007, and spent all of last season on IR.
Tackles, well, they have to defend against the defense's best players; well-paid defensive ends and speedy outside linebackers. The projected starting lineup is Andre Smith and Anthony Collins. We're still not sure where the team plans on placing them, even though Smith received most of his snaps at left tackle during rookie minicamp.
The point in all this is that both tackles and center will be manned by youth, youth, youth. Even though Cook, Crummey and Santucci have some NFL experience, it's mostly on special teams; so based on playing only center, you could compare their experience to an NFL rookie. Here's the thing. With all this inexperience and youth, there's going to be growing pains.
Remember that voice telling you to be cautious about Palmer's return? You just hope that those growing pains doesn't make it too painful for Palmer.
+ WDR agrees with everyone else's assessment that the Bengals won't make the playoffs. I can see both points here. Many teams require a "rebuilding season" to get the pieces together for a playoff run. Last year wasn't that rebuilding season. We had aging players on the roster taking a majority of the snaps, eventually replaced because of injury, not because of any perceived youth movement. This year, they have that rebuilding make-up, signing several veteran players to one-year contracts while the more youthful transition is being primed.
On the other hand, how many teams have made that impressive jump from terrible to playoff-bound? How many times have we seen that in recent memory? Furthermore, we're not just implementing rookies. We're getting some of our more critical components back. You can't predict things like this, obviously. Not in May. But I can see both things happening; playoffs, or a rebuilding year.
Links and notes:
Chick Ludwig says that Palmer will be on a "strict pitch count" during training camp.
James Walker specifically posted about the Bengals. I know! I know! His topic? Who's out at WR for the Bengals?
Geoff Hobson breaks down the position battles that will likely take us into camp -- barring unforeseen injury and the like.
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You Need Some Kool Aid
Seriously, we should be careful that our optimism doesn’t distort reality and you make a great point about the inexperience on the offensive line. Plus remember, we are the Bengals. Do we ever get a break ?…..only if it’s a broken body part…LOL
Getting back
To 8-8 seems like a decent set of expectations. And if these youngsters can protect Carson, who knows what will happen?
It is time
for the young guys to show what they can do. Collins looked like he will be able to more than hold is own and Smith is going to be a stud. Someone from out of the group at center is going to step up and get the job done, my money is on Santucci, Luigs won’t be ready until at least mid-season. And don’t you think that Carson and the offensive brain trust is going to allow for potential weakness in the line and game plan accordingly? I mean we have a RB now that runs hard every damn play with some exciting potential change of pace guys, FB looks a lot more promising going into 09, we have some pass catching ability at TE with a healthy Utecht and the rook and Chad knows he has to perform this year or his worth goes in the shitter very quickly, and we all know he likes to get paid. And let us not forget the defense, looked good at the end of last year, young guys are a year wiser and man did we get some potential upgrades through FA and draft. I guess my point is there are more than a few reasons to be optimistic about this year, cautiously. I’d be happy at 8-8 and being “in” most games, 9-7 would be very good and with a few breaks 10-6 is not out of the question. That being said if the injury bug hits us like it has recently, with the 5th pick in the 2010 draft the Bengals select….
"don’t you think that Carson and the offensive brain trust is going to allow for potential weakness in the line and game plan accordingly?"
Careful. You’re suggesting that Bob Bratkowski changes based on what he has, or what’s currently working.
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by Josh Kirkendall on May 12, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
As the manager from Office Space says......
Yeeaaaaa… :-)
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by Josh Kirkendall on May 12, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anybody but me worry that, in the best of all possible scenarios- to wit, an O-Line that gels nicely, a running game that’s efficient bordering on dynamic, and quality contibutions at receiver from both young and old, we’re still left with a healthy but gun-shy and high-throwing Carson? Am I the only one who thinks he’s still a little fucked up in the head over hisphysically fine knee?
Oh, and Bratkowki is automatically disqualified from anything called a “brain trust”.
by IgnatiusJReilly on May 12, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
"You’re suggesting that Bob Bratkowski changes based on what he has"
After Carson went down in the 2005 Wild Card game, it appeared that Brat blew the dust off of a playbook entitled, “Old ’N Busted West Coast With No Pass Plays Longer Than 15 Yards And Kevin Walter As Your Primary Target.”
+1
(I think)
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by Josh Kirkendall on May 12, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This O-line
Makes me hope that Cedric Benson wasn’t a joke.. They may be able to push the pile. if nothing else. I’m actually hopeful as usual
To limit the drift into the Peter King fantasy…. guess the NFL. .
We may not need to score that many damn points.. I got a feeling this defense will match up to say the least. If those corners hold up its a given…
O Line
I think and hope that the best thing for Palmers protection is a better run game whcih smith and Collins should help provide. I am keeping my fingers crossed that one of our Centers emerges to become a top 16 center in the League. If play action and the running gmae work, then he will complete deep passes, and open up underneath for the TEs.
The Ravens, Dolphins, Falcons all had much easeir schedules thatn the Benglas last year. theis year our schedule is much better. If I remember correctly the Bengals were 4-4 (and would have beaten the Browns twice if Perry knew he was supoosed to holfd that brown thing) against non-play-off teams last year. This year we should face many fewer play-off teams.
Finally, I think the Bengals will keep Coles, Ochocinco, SImpson, Caldwell, Brown and Cosby.
Of note, Ochocinco and Houshmanzadeh had 29 and 21 receptions their rookie years, so don’t call Simpson and Caldwell busts yet.

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