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FILE - In this July 27, 2008 file photo, Arizona Cardinals running back Edgerrin James arrives for practice during the team's football training camp Sunday, July 27, 2008 in Flagstaff, Ariz. The Cardinals released James on Tuesday, April 28, 2009, with one year remaining on his contract, a development expected since late in the season.  (AP Photo/Matt York, File)

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9 months ago: FILE - In this July 27, 2008 file photo, Arizona Cardinals running back Edgerrin James arrives for practice during the team's football training camp Sunday, July 27, 2008 in Flagstaff, Ariz. The Cardinals released James on Tuesday, April 28, 2009, with one year remaining on his contract, a development expected since late in the season. (AP Photo/Matt York, File)

+ Scout Inc's Ed Thompson writes, "it's hard to believe that (the Bengals) would rely on the highly unreliable Cedric Benson at the top of their depth chart." There's several things here to note. First off, acquiring a top-tier running back in the draft just wasn't priority -- there were other "needs" that had to be addressed. Second off, there wasn't a free agent out there that really blew us away. The Bengals did host Derrick Ward, but he signed with Tampa Bay. Finally off, Benson's performance in 2008 really didn't make us think he wasn't reliable; which included several endorsements from the team's coaching staff and players. So if you find it hard to believe, then you're not paying attention.

Thompson's point is that the Bengals should take a look at free agent running back Edgerrin James. No, it doesn't make sense to me either that we'd sign James to replace Benson. I would find that hard to believe.

+ The Chickster wonders if the Bengals can win the fans back, while season tickets go on sale today. Here are the home games.

Date Team 2008 Record
9.13.09 Denver Broncos 8-8
9.27.09 Pittsburgh Steelers 12-4
10.18.09 Houston Texans 8-8
10.25.09 Chicago Bears 9-7
11.8.09 Baltimore Ravens 11-5
11.29.09 Cleveland Browns 4-12
12.6.09 Detroit Lions 0-16
12.27.09 Kansas City Chiefs 2-14

+ Paul Daugherty thinks you shouldn't buy season tickets to "make your voice heard". But I question one thing. If the Bengals had a General Manager this year, what would have improved? Generally speaking, the Bengals were considered to have a very good draft. Their free agent acquisitions are considered to be beneficial. What would have a general manager brought to the team? I know. I know. I accepted this offseason as being quality, so I'm putting off the general manager talk, or in other words, I was placated. So what. I still would like to know. What would have a general manager not named Mike Brown done better?

More links and notes.

Cris Collinsworth dreads replacing John Madden on NBC's coverage of Sunday Night Football.

Joe Reedy wonders "who will have sworn more on HBO – defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer or Al Swearengen from Deadwood?" If you've seen Deadwood, then you appreciate the hell out of the reference.

Photos from the Marvin Lewis Charity Golf Tournament, where four scholarships were awarded. Roy Williams was quoted as saying about Hard Knocks:

"It is what you make it. You see the cameras around but they become almost like family after awhile," Williams said. "Trust me, during the dog days of training camp you're not going to be worrying about the cameras. You're going to be worrying about how tired you are and how sore you're body is."

Kevin Huber will make an immediate impact with the Bengals, writes Michael Lombardi.

Most writers are ranking the Bengals very conservatively. They're admitting that while they had a good offseason, the Bengals still have to prove an improved ranking on the field. I'll submit that they're right. The Bengals have to prove it. Pat Kirwan took a leap and ranked the Bengals 19th -- the highest ranking we've seen by the mainstream media.

Quarterback Carson Palmer is back under center, and he has weapons to throw to as well as a revised offensive line. If rookie Chase Coffman is healthy, Palmer gets the receiving tight end he hasn't had before. The defense worked its way into the top half of the NFL last year, and got better with the additions of Tank Johnson, and rookies Rey Maualuga and Michael Johnson. Chad Ochocinco could potentially disrupt all the positives that are happening in Bengals country.

Let's see. New MMQ. How many Bengals references? None. Thank goodness.

Clark Judge says that one of the Bengals moves/non-moves was one of the biggest gambles this offseason.

The Bengals lost T.J. Houshmandzadeh, so it figures that they keep Chad, right? You must be joking. Once this guy got a pass because he produced big catches and lots of touchdowns. Not anymore. He didn't have a 100-yard game a year ago. In fact, his best performance was 79 yards, and in all but three of his performances he couldn't reach 50. Plus, he scored four times. So it tied for the team lead. Big deal. This guy won't go over the middle and is a locker-room nightmare, a sulking prima donna who can't cut it anymore. I don't care that he once was a deep threat. He's more a threat now to the future of Marvin Lewis and the Bengals. Get rid of him.

The 2009 NFL Salary Cap increased by another million to $128 million.

One justified reason that the league shouldn't increase the regular season beyond 16 games, is that many of the records would be re-written.

So before playing the San Diego Padres, the Reds were momentarily tied for first place with a 20-14 record. Three days later, the Reds are 20-17, three games behind in fourth place. They return home tonight for a nine-game homestand, starting with the Philadelphia Phillies, the Cleveland Indians and the Houston Astros. The concern? The Reds are tied for the second-least amount of wins in 2009 with seven.

The final two hours of 24 are on tonight. You watching? I'm stoked. The season finale of Lost was awesome. Fringe was interesting, to say the least. Heroes was really disappointing. I can't wait for tonight. Only a trade of Chad Johnson will pull me from the television.

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I’m worried about our RB’s, but we dont have too many other options right now.
Buy season tickets, if you can afford it. I would. Mike Brown has done good this offseason. Maybe he actually values us as fans?
Lost was sick, but every season finale just make me angry

by firstPick on May 18, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Paul Daugherty

Josh

In regard to you quoting Paul Daugherty about “making your voice heard” – I know the GM idea seems the most talked about but I think the real point, and I believe Daugherty would agree, is the need to feel like the Bengals front office cares about winning. So no, hiring a GM this off-season is unlikely to have much (if any) of an impact on the on-field product this fall but it would have been a huge step forward in the perception of the front office and their interest in football success.

In my opinion it doesn’t even need to be a GM. It could be more scouts (maybe even specifically hiring a scout from, say, the Patriots, and letting us know that) or an improved medical team. Or just coming out a-la Castellini and declare “we will bring championship baseball [football] to Cincinnati”

"I've seldom seen a horny player walk into a bar and not let out exactly what he did for a living."
-Bench

by mann1x on May 18, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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I accepted this offseason as being quality, so I’m putting off the general manager talk, or in other words, I was placated. So what. I still would like to know. What would have a general manager not named Mike Brown done better?

I think the real question isn’t what a GM would have done but rather, has Mike Brown turned into a better owner/manager? Has he learned from these past 18 years and become a quality owner who understands the game the way a quality GM would? If the answer is yes then I’m thrilled and would buy season tickets/cool Bengals merchandise. But I believe that this is too small a sample size to come to that conclusion. One quality off-season (on paper) does not make Brown a good GM, especially when you look at the other 18 off-seasons.

by JohnnyK on May 18, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Or, to state it a different way…One quality off-season (on paper) does not immediately erase that which brought on the Urinal Cakes.

by TheWalrus1971 on May 18, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With all of this being said, we should realize that Marvin has to be much better than people think. If we go deep in the playoffs he should go to the HOF.

by smoormandiddy on May 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't Go. Make Your Voice Be Heard.

You know why incompetent owners like Mike Brown maintain their position? Two reasons:

1) Because the term “bandwagon fan” has such a huge cultural currency and “real sports fans” are scared $#!+less that they might be accused of being one. Hence, even when logic dictates that you should stop financially supporting, ergo being complicit in continuing, an historically incompetent operation, you keep going because you don’t want to be the one that’s accused of being a “bandwagoner” if/when the team wins again.

2) Because for some reason, the POTENTIAL of a team winning (in this case, the Bengals) leaves certain fans going “what if I’m not there when it happens? What if I don’t go to the games? I’ll feel like I missed out!”

I’m still going to watch the Bengals on TV but pay for anything with a Bengals logo on it (including tickets)? Not on your life. One (possibly) good draft in 19 years and you’re ready to buy tickets again? Stop and review that. Are you “less of a fan” if you decide NOT to buy the tickets? Or are you a saavy demanding fan that wants to be sure the organization has changed before he provides his full support?

Don’t buy into this B.S. that if you don’t buy tickets that you’re a fairweather fan. What you are is saavy fan.

by BMN on May 18, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The only issue with that is if no one shows up for the games, they will be blacked out on TV. And if this happens repeatedly over time, the team will probably end up in LA or Canada. I would rather love the trainwreck Bengals than have no team to cheer for at all.

by smoormandiddy on May 18, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The salary cap...

…is troubling. With it going up like it did — and the fact everybody in the NFL probably knew about it — the Bengals should’ve been more aggressive with Housh. Don’t get me wrong, I’m 100% behind Coles and I’ll think he’ll be a good-to-great compliment for Palmer and Ocho Johnson.

But knowing they had more money to play with means they could’ve been more serious with their negotiations. JMO.

Moving on: I am absolutely stoked for 24. I have ideas where it will end up, but I want to see how — and if — they get to where I think they are going…

by IFChris on May 18, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Even still.....

This is a tech-saavy universe. I’m not condoning anything illegal, but there are easily ways to check out games even when they are blacked out. You can also suck it up and just listen to the games. Or go to a sports bar that purchase NFL Direct Ticket.
No one said that trying to send a message wouldn’t require a little bit of nuts. To me, ultimately, you have to ask yourself “If I have to be a slave to THIS owner’s demands, is it even worth watching the games at all? Would I rather just watch other NFL teams, or not watch the NFL at all, than to stick with this undeserved-bonus-receiving-owner?”

If the answer is “I’d rather have this team to cheer for than no team,” that tells me you’re content to support a loser for the rest of your life, even if loser isn’t trying to win by changing things up. Either that or you’re not really a Bengals fan, you’re just a NFL fan and you like the Bengals as a conduit to bringing those games to you in person. In that case, by all means keep going to the games but don’t get pi$$ed at the losing when you’re facilitating it.

by BMN on May 18, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For the record...

Sunday Ticket has to comply with blackout rules. A sportsbar in Cincinnati will not be able to show a blacked-out Bengals game.

"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius

by TarZander on May 18, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s no questioning my fanhood. I can’t say I’m pissed at the losing, disappointed, yes but not pissed. This team has been losing for most of my childhood and all of my adult life. If I was more concerned with backing a winner, I would have jumped ship to Pittsburgh when I lived there for a short time. I can’t honestly say what keeps me a fan of such a terrible team. Perhaps it’s like dating a psychopath girlfriend. Everyday is a trainwreck but something or other keeps you around. In my opinion, my loyalty only makes my fanhood stronger.

by smoormandiddy on May 18, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Please don't buy tickets! PLEASE!

I’m a rabid Bengals fan living in Los Angeles and would be first in line for season tickets if the Bengals moved here!

by Tommyboy45 on May 18, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BMN Nails It...

You couldn’t say it any better. I agree with you whole heartedly. On nearly every point.

Addressing SmoorDaddy’s comments about blackouts. Who cares? If it’s blacked out, you telling me you don’t have a sports bar that’s, I don’t know, a quarter mile from your house that you can’t go to and enjoy the games at?? And if Mike Brown threatens to move the team? Well that’s not happening. What other city in America would put up with this nonsense? Or suck into paying for his B.S. lease. That and he’s committed to it until 2025.

I can’t be a total hyprocrite. My family and I sit in club seats and we collectively make the decision to do so. I’m one of 6. I tried to lobby to the rest of the fam to “cut the cord” but no one was listening. We reupped. I was shocked. I was all pissed. Apparently my family, though all incredible die hards since the early 80’s, sees the game day experience for the tailgaiting and family cromraderie as much as they do for the pain and misery that we endure between 1pm and 4pm. Apparently they don’t seem to remember that dreadful feeling walking to the car after another Sunday of being kicked in the groin for 3 hours.

My stance though is that I’m not buying any Bengals gear, nor am I willing to make any monetary commitment to Mike Brwon until he makes “Material” changes.

Am I impressed by this offseason? YES. Am I impressed with the draft? YES. Would a full time GM or 10 more scouts have done a better job the past 2 months? NO. However, has that made me forget the last 19 years? Hell no.

The real question though that everyone I think has failed to address is this:

Would Mike Brown have been as aggressive this past off season had he not realized that 5 of every 8 season ticket holders were in severe jeopardy of cancelling? These off season moves by him are out of desperation. He understand sthere’s a lot of fence sitters. He’s trying to keep us “on the fence.” Right now, he thinks he’s done that. He’s not interested in getting back on his side. No sir. THAT, he doesn’t care about. Just don’t leave.

I’m tired of “reactionary” owning/managing as opposed to “proactive” owning/managing.

How about you make an effort to win every year…and not just when you think we’re all gunna crap out on you?

by JohnCockToastin on May 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There’s just such a track record of ineptitude out of our front office that one good, no, stellar offseason doesn’t make everything better. I mean, in the draft for instance, it wasn’t football acumen or brilliant strategy that caused either Maualuga or Michael Johnson to fall to us. They were both kind of no-brainers. I am impressed with the defensive resignings and acquisitions, which I’m guessing were inspired by Zimmer. Locking up our LBs and Crocker and bringing in Tank and Roy Williams speaks well of the direction our defense is going. Coles coming in on the heels of TJ departing is a little too quid pro quo to get excited over- though I do like Coles what Coles brings to both the field and the locker room. I don’t know if Mikey stepped back and let Marvin and his staff handle free agency and the draft this time around or if it’s more a case of a blind squirrel finding a nut or a stopped clock being right twice a day but I’ll take it.

by IgnatiusJReilly on May 18, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kirkendall

Mmmkay…Cedric Benson has proven to be reliable(12 games, 3.5 YPC, only played well against horrible teams)…a GM couldn’t have done better than Mike Brown this offseason(maybe not overpay for Coles, maybe hold some coaches accountable for a 4-11-1 season). When the season ends, let’s revisit these ideas, shall we?

by bodacio on May 18, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"When the season ends, let’s revisit these ideas, shall we?"

Will do. You just have to bring it up again, since I’ll be sitting in the press box typing away about the Bengals second playoff win. :)

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by Kirkendall on May 18, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d prefer that to blaming injuries for a 6-10 season

by bodacio on May 18, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record

1) I don’t advocate jumping ship and supporting another team. Don’t assume that you have to “betray” your team and jump ship to send the message…..that’s a false dichotomy and another tool that the Mikeys of the world use to psychologically trick sucker fans into their recidivist ways. Stop creating an either/or situation where there isn’t one.

Every time I go on a messageboard and tell people “STOP PUTTING MONEY INTO MIKE BROWN’S POCKET,” there’s always somebody that counters “I’m not gonna jump ship and become a Steelers fan………” NO ONE is suggesting you become a Steelers fan. I loathe the Steelers. I despise the Steelers.

2) If winning’s not a priority, that’s fine…it’s just sports after all and you’re entitled to get whatever you want out of it. But it strikes me as willfully offensive that Mike Brown would pay himself bonuses for 18 years for a job he did poorly. That’s an owner that enjoys spitting on his customers, metaphorically at least.

by BMN on May 18, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh and also,

3) I never said the Bengals didn’t have a good offseason. In fact, I’d give it a B bordering on a B+ thus far. Do I want the Bengals to win? Definitely. Will I be happy if they do? Sure. But if they do, will I regret boycotting games and merchandise? Not at all!

We want long-term systemic change, not just a good year or two. We want the Cincinnati Bengals to not be a laughing stock. One year in the playoffs isn’t going to make that happen. Heck, winning the Super Bowl wouldn’t even make that happen, it’d just be seen as a lucky year.

During Mike Brown’s time as owner, the team has had a .351 winning percentage while the Steelers won two Super Bowls and the Ravens won one. I would thrill at the sight of one Super Bowl year from afar, but I still wouldn’t regret not buying any tickets to the games or any merch. Heck, best as I see it, he owes the fans more than one measly good year to prove he’s the right man for the job. We’ve had to suffer through the Steelers making the AFC title game six times while he willfully continues to run the team the same way……does that not inflame you?

by BMN on May 18, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sure we’re going to reply with a different POV. That is the best thing about a website like this. We’re all fans of a terrible team. We are all misserable . We’re all ready to throw Mike Brown to the wolves. But guess what? We are all back here after nearly 2 decades of humiliation still pulling for our team. That is what makes us all true fans. The management sucks and more often than not the team sucks too but every person on this site and thousands of others still love the GD Bengals. I don’t want to argue your post, I just want to add another perspective. After all, we are all on here for the same reason and that is to pray like hell that the Bengals can actually be a searious contender for more than just one season a decade. I’m guessing we are all sadists and could all use therapy.

by smoormandiddy on May 18, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can agree on that...

…rooting for the Bengals, whether you pay for them or not, is sadism in its purest form! :-p

by BMN on May 19, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sadism masochism.

by TheWalrus1971 on May 19, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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