Love or Hate Ocho?
by Vman in Germany on Jun 12, 2009 4:41 AM EDT
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PrintSo are we loving Ocho or hating Ocho now? I see two motives for him showing up to practice. The first is to stir the media to seek him out for more headlines. His ego is fed by microphones stuffed in his face. The second is that of his omission of sand bagging last year. Admitting what we all suspected has hurt his stock.He is eager to regain his lost reputation. Either way or the combination of both, this is going to prove benificial to the Bengals.
Chad's motives are always suspect. Very seldom does it appear that he has any concern for the team or it's overall success. But taking advantage of Chad at this low point in his individual character to further the team is the ultimate in manipulation reversal for Bengal ownership. Chad has to perform...He has no choice! A lackluster year this year would mean financial disaster for any future contract negotiations. The Bengal strategy of not giving in has appeared to taken a toll on Chad and his marketability. Unfortunate that a once promising career path had to take this bumpy road.
Chad is no longer a part of the Bengals long range goals. He will serve his usefulness this year and maybe next in giving younger talent time to develop. He is on the cusp of being a "has-been". His actions appear to be showing football fans that he might be realizing this fact for himself. His future now rides on the arm of Carson Palmer and the team success of the Bengals. He must be less of an individual to prove his worth, what irony is that!
Showing up to practice and saying what you think people want to hear only rings hollow in my ears. So you burned Leon Hall in practice, so what! You decided to get yourself in better shape this year, good on you for doing what you are suppose to do to play in the NFL. The only advantage I see to this is that Chad is in need of a character overhaul and the only place to do this is on the field,in big games, when it counts. As a fan I do hope Chad puts it all together this year. Then maybe the Bengals will get some decent talent in trade while winning.
Chad everyone in Cincinnati once loved you. The wedge that is there now between you and the fans has been driven in place by you. The benefit to the team this year might be your own selfish need to perform to get paid down the road and as a fan I can except that. Why? Because for us fans it is still about the team and winning!
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Great post ...
… you frame perfectly the problems with Chad. It’s Chad. Himsilf. Just as Chad always finds ways to bring the story back to Chad, we as fans have acquired that same skill; when it involves a problem related to Chad, it easily traceable to Chad himself. Basically, Chad still can’t get out of his own way. No doubt there’s a special place in heaven for Bengals fans for enduring Chad. Little did we know Mike Brown would ensure our eternal salvation. Can I get a aaaa’men! Thanks, Mike!
New year
Seems likea new year and a new Chad. I think it would be kind for his coaches to give him a new number to reflect this.
Anybody know
If it is the player or the team or both that get a percentage from merchandise sales?
by steelerstyle on Jun 12, 2009 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I was always under ...
the impression the player recieved some royalties from sales of their jersey, but someone posted something here the other days saying that wasn’t true. If that’s the case, as players I’d be fighting that.
From the NFL Players Assn. Website
Apparel
Overview
The Apparel Department manages licensing programs and relationships in the apparel category and several other areas. Adidas Sports Licensing Division, doing business as Reebok, is NFL PLAYERS’ foremost partner for licensed apparel. Although their core product is player jerseys, they also produce tees, headwear and fleeces utilizing players’ names, numbers and/or images. NFL PLAYERS also licenses several customizers to decorate blank jerseys with player names and numbers, including GSI/NFL Shop. The Dallas Cowboys have a separate license for their licensed player apparel, and VF Imagewear is licensed for women’s product distributed in the mid and mass retail segment.
The department also oversees the licensing and marketing for Fathead, LLC. Fathead produces oversized wall decals and smaller tradable product portraying images of both active and retired players. Also included in this department is business to business photography and on-line print-on-demand licensing programs.
Most player licensed apparel as well as all Fathead product portrays individual players. For such merchandise, players receive the majority of royalties earned on the sale of their particular product, also known as premium royalties. This model allows players to receive an equitable royalty share from sales driven by their popularity and strength in the marketplace, as well as an equal share portion from other products.
I thought so.. JohnWhateverToastin loves to sit back and watch… then hand out corrections and stabs at people. I just did not want to argue with him, I thought the players HAD to receive some royalties from the sale of THEIR jerseys.. Ha!
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jun 12, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Easy
First off, I’m JohnCockToastin. Haven’t you ever seen Fletch?? This must be one of those times we’re in the 20% category of you being wrong. I’m just kidding man. I’m not trying to start a war of words. But just let me clarify….if I can.
Do I really "sit back and take stabs at people?" …not sure that’s accurate. I’d say I do what you and everyone else does who frequent this site: I lend my opinion for everyone to either agree or disagree with.
In defending what I said, you’re right, I didn’t say anything about players receiving royalties for jersey sales. "Royalties" are different than profits though. The NFL Players Association guards those licensing agreements like their life depends on them, so finding concrete evidence to support what most of these guys receive from those royalties is virtually impossible. From what I have seen though, the players who are in the top 2-3 in jersey sales can reap somewhere near $1 million in royalties. That is in fact a good chunk of change. However, our boy Chad, was nowhere near the top last year. From the list I saw, he wasn’t anywhere near the top-20. On top of that, the Bengals as a whole, have never been anywhere near the top 3rd in overall team jersey sales – which is a huge predicator to how individual players stack up in the sales rankings. (The Cowboys always do the best…which is why they have their own deal) Thus, I wouldn’t imagine CJ’d stand to make a huge pay day from his jersey royalties.
All this being said…the initial point was regarding whether or not Chad’s name plate was going to read "C. Johnson" or "Ochocinco" and on how his antics as of late could be hurting his jersey sales and thus hitting him hard in the pocket.
My point was that he has/had no stake in those jersey sales. If they don’t sell, so what? It’s not like he fronted the money for their production costs. I’m sure it hurts his precious little ego. That’s a different point though.
Could he stand to make some decent money off of his jersey royalties? I guess so. If it were any of us, we’d probably think that was like "lottery" money. To those guys, I hardly believe that to be the case. Considering the money they receive off their contracts, incentive bonuses and more relevant here – their endorsements – I would make the point that his jersey royalties are far from his biggest concern.
by JohnCockToastin on Jun 12, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha, “20% of you being wrong”.. well played. I am not trying to put you on blast, I am sure I have taken a few stabs on here myself. At this point I could probably say we are in agreement, a war of words on the internet was not my intention either, as I find it somewhat hilarious when people get into crazy arguments online.
Ocho has made enough money at this point to not care about his jersey sale profits, whatever they may be, but I am sure his ego does want those jerseys to sell.
Agree, Disagree, Whatever.. I just hope he can catch some balls this year!
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Jun 12, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
"I just hope he can catch some balls this year!"
When people say that, I can’t get Chris’ Brokeback Mountain poster out of my head. Good grief. I’m damaged. :)
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jun 12, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Call me naive
but I still think that Chad is just an emotional, passionate football player. Of course his contract situation has a lot to do with turnaround this year and we all know that Ocho loves the spotlight, but I really think that the overriding factor in all of this is Chad’s desire to win football games. Sure, he took a very self centered approach last year by demanding a trade, but I think that decision was motivated by his desire to be on a winning, successful football team. I don’t think that this should get him off the hook with the fans, I’m just saying that I don’t think his motives were as bad as some might suggest.
He made up his mind that he didn’t want to be in Cincy and he passionately followed through with that conviction. Now, I think that he’s feeling equally passionate about being a part of this team and restoring his credibility as a receiver. And yes, I get really tired of this emotional bi-polar roller-coaster as well, but I think that it’s just a genuine part of who Chad is.
The truth is, I have to have some respect for his ability to follow through. He certainly could have had surgery and sat out all of last year. He still would have gotten paid, but he chose to play because despite all the bad feelings that were swirling around, he wanted to help his team win football games. So despite all of his shortcomings, I’m glad to have this guy in a Bengals uniform this year. Focused and ready to go.
This is our year!
Chad is all good by me
I am 85% confident that Chad and the Bengals will be just fine this year. I’m starting to get pretty excited about the possibilities.
Chad has been and can again be both a great receiver and a great plus for this team. We just have to remember that he is a person with character flaws just like all of us. He has a large personality that people love when we’re winning and despise when we’re not. His personality has not really changed that much from the one helped revitalize the Bengals and put Cincinnati on the national map. As soon as we have more wins than losses I’m sure everyone will think he hilarious again.
Sure, we’d all like his antics to not cost the team penalties or fines, and for him to be a bit more team-first overall. But he is who he is: the guy craves the limelight but generally delivers on the field. In fact, for all of the media and fans calling him a cancer, I’ve rarely heard a bad word spoken about him during the season by team members or other players. I’ve generally heard of him as a guy that works hard all the time (practice and games) and lightens the mood of the team. Part of me even wonders if him taking all the media attention might be a good thing. It keeps the reporters busy and may keep mistakes of other people (e.g. Leon) from getting blown up into something huge.
The guy got pushed into a corner recently on a team where the fans turned on him and he didn’t think he could ever get a ring. I’m sure he felt hopeless and it make him lose his passion for a while. Same thing could happen to any of us at our jobs (minus fans and rings). Now that he’s come to terms with focusing on the things he can control and he actually sees promise with this team, I think he’ll be a happy Chad again and we’ll be happy fans.
Or there’s a 15% chance that everything could blow up.
My biggest Issue with Chad
Is not the drama or the antics, not even the complaining. It’s a fact he himself confirmed about last year.
He wanted to be on a winning team. He was frustrated and wanted to get traded. So when it was clear MB wasn’t going to lose money on the deal and wanted to keep Oucho, Chad listened and acted out whatever his agent told him to do, and that was delay the surgery to clean his ankle, and in turn he came to camp out of shape and not wanting to practice. Great. Wonder why you sucked last year Chad? Probably not, because you know exactly the consequences for your actions.
Please....
85 openly admitted that he completely mailed it in last year…..like we couldn’t tell he was tanking it. That is just pathetic and completely disrespectful not just to the fans, but to his teammates as well. The clock is ticking….turn it on….turn it off. Just not that easy as you get older and Chad will look like a complete ass as his skills diminish. Show up this year Mr. Jackass ! Whatever his numbers….no love here.
Changing his number would really be funny now that he’s legally changed his name to reflect his old one…
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jun 14, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
Chad Johnson is the worst cancer in pro football.
If cincy would have let him go 2 years ago, they would have been a better team today. Trying to win with cancers in the locker room will never work. There’s no way to calculate how Chad being in the locker room has effected the play of others. Ask Jerry Jones if having a cancer in the locker room will get you to the playoffs. Dallas got nothing for the best receiver in the game, and they were glad to see him go. And in the end, only Buffulo wanted him. Ain’t that ironic. Cincy needs players with character, not players that are characters.
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
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