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Bengals Training Camp: Is the Bengals offensive line better than last year? "We'll see".

Cincinnati Bengals offensive tackle Andre Smith hits a pad during football minicamp at Paul Brown Stadium, Friday, May 1, 2009, in Cincinnati. (AP Photo/David Kohl)

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9 months ago: Cincinnati Bengals offensive tackle Andre Smith hits a pad during football minicamp at Paul Brown Stadium, Friday, May 1, 2009, in Cincinnati. (AP Photo/David Kohl)

The Bengals offensive line. There wasn't a phrase spoken in 2008 that didn't frighten us more. Carson Palmer's bloody nose. Injured elbow. The 29th best rushing offense in the league, averaging 95 yards per game. It wasn't pretty. Football Outsiders ranked the offensive line as the worst run blocking unit in the league. The offense only scored six rushing touchdowns, tying the Browns as the fewest in the league. Only the San Francisco 49ers (55) and Detroit Lions (52) gave up more sacks than the Bengals (51). We would love to know the average time quarterbacks have dropping back and where the Bengals rank. On second thought, no we wouldn't.

The line's performance last season was forgettable -- at least we're trying to forget it. No, it was atrocious. But the truth is if the Bengals can't upgrade and improve the line's performance over last year, then they're going nowhere. It's a simple thing in football. A good offensive line and things happen. A bad offensive line and, well, things still happen. None of them good.

Eric Ghiaciuc wasn't resigned and Levi Jones was let go. What does that mean for the team this year and what have the Bengals done to improve the offensive line? Kyle Cook signed with Minnesota as an undrafted free agent before making his way to the Bengals practice squad to start the 2007 season. He played on Special Teams last year before being placed on Injured Reserve in October. Now Cook is the projected starting center and some people are already drawing Rich Braham comparisons. He's nasty. He's intelligent. And god willing, he's better than Eric Ghiaciuc.

Bobbie Williams is the only offensive lineman returning to the same position from the start of last year, while former left guard, Andrew Whitworth, slides out to left tackle. Nate Livings, after performing well enough at the close of last season, is rewarded with an opportunity to keep his spot at left guard.

But that's all secondary, isn't it? The biggest storyline with this group, is right tackle. Specifically, Andre Smith. We've examined and talked about (a lot) the backstory of our first-round draft pick. Lack of maturity. Perceived red flags of character issues. Whatever you want to call it, the backstory exists and it's been front and center this offseason. Musical chairs with agents. After that, contract issues. Will he sign soon? And if he signs late into training camp, will he be ready against the Denver Broncos? There's no questioning his talent. Throughout his final year in college, Smith was often thought of, not just as the best offensive lineman, but also projected as the first overall draft pick. Things happened and it didn't work out that way.

  • Is Smith even a concern with the Bengals having a fall back plan in Anthony Collins?
  • Is Smith working out and staying in football shape during contract negotiations, which could be prolonged?
  • Will Dan Santucci make a run at left guard or center?
  • Will Jonathan Luigs replace Cook at center?

All things considered, the Bengals coaching staff believes this group is better this year than last. Center is upgraded. Left tackle is upgraded (if you think Whitworth is better than the combination of Jones/Collins). Right tackle is likely upgraded. And to be honest, as of right now, I have to agree with them. But as any old Zen Master says, "we'll see."

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Whitworth was a left tackle in college ball. I seriously doubt that when he was drafted in the 2nd round in ’06, it was with the intention that he displace Jones or Anderson immediately. The thought more likely was that he would either learn behind them or shift inside to begin with, and then start at LT once he was up to pro speed at the position. I have greater confidence in how Whitworth will play than how things will turn out at LG, C, or RT.

by Mr. X on Jul 25, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NCC

My take:

1. Sign Smith and play him at right tackle.

2. Start Collins at left tackle.

3. Keep Whitworth at left guard and (of course) Williams at right guard.

4. Look seriously on the waiver list for an upgrade at center. Consider offering a draft pick for an upgrade. Look, I hope Cook and/or Luigs pan out, but this “reminds people of Branham act” wore out halfway during Ghiaciac’s tenure.

As Shakespeare wrote, you can summon demons from the vasty deep, but will they come when you do call for them?

Or, as Carson Palmer thinks as he lines up under center these days, “Three years of wishful thinking is enough….”

by NCC on Jul 26, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we'll see?

I’m sure that’s what Carson wants to hear.

by UpStateMike on Jul 26, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Got to be better.

This line can’t be worse than last years line. I like Whit moving to LT. some consistency out there will be nice. Livings did ok if you ask me. The jury is obviously still out on Cook and/or Luigis unfortunately time will only tell. It all sounds nice when comments about the center position come up but Ghiaciuc was supposed to be the future and he blew up in Carson’s face. Bobbie Williams is solid I look for either Cook or Luigis(whoever isn’t our center) to become the heir apparent eventually. As for Smith, he’s got talent and issues. Hopefully he gets in camp and gets to work but i’m honestly not worried because I think Collins deserved a spot on the line and he’ll get his chance to play when Smith holdsout.

by Manpaw on Jul 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on Kirk

Anyone can play “well lets see”. Take a stand for God’s sake. All of the quibbling about will they or won’t they is getting old. I say they will be better. I say they will be above league average for a few reasons. The talent will overall be better as Ghiacuic is gone and if my mother was his replacement the talent average would improve and she, God rest her soul, has been dead for 10 years. Levi was done and nobody else wants him either. Our under performing FA went to hold the hand of his head case brother – no lose there either. Collins is just as good at least and probably an upgrade. Everyone we lost was no big loss. Everyone is most concerned about the Oline and, yea there are question marks, but odds are we will be ok there. On additional reason is that the Oline situation is known going into training camp and play schemes can be devised to help the Oline out. Last year we didn’t really know until it was too late to do anything about it. We only need the Oline to be good. You do not need a great Oline to win if other areas are up to the task. Look at the Steelers for example. My big concern is our backup QB as even very good Olines give up sacks and it only takes one hard hit to put our season in the tank.

It is not good enough, to just say we will see. Take a stand – I say if we don’t have a winning season it will not be primarily because of the Oline.

" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jul 27, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Put Roland at RT, Collins at LG -- And what about Smith?

I originally wanted Whit at LG and Collins at LT. Or Whit at RT and Collins at LT. My friends have convinced me that Whit is best candidate to go to LT, and the club is set on it, so I’ll leave it at that.
As for RT, Roland looked to be developing last year. He is a big guy who looks to have the right measurables. Maybe he only needed some experience, which he was starting to get.
Collins has the mobility to be the next Steinbach, with better size. He has the potential to become a great LG.
Wait Smith out. This guy went and basically tricked the Bengals on Alvin Keels. Now the team has the leverage. THEY DON"T NEED HIM. If he goes unsigned all year, that will show him and Keels what they get for their manipulation. If he goes back into the draft next year — LET HIM. Use the money they would have spent on Smith for Collins, and if they like Roland pay him a bit more too. Or use the money to extend Hall, re-sign Henry, etc. There are lots of good uses for the money that would be spent on the #6 pick in the draft — They don’t have to use it on Collins. This team would be better off letting him twist in the wind, send a signal, use the money better, develop the players they already have, etc. I think they would do great by putting the screws to Smith & Keels — but they don’t have the guts because it would be a public relations fiasco, no doubt. The talking heads would say it is an example of how screwed up the Bengals are — even if in reality it could be the best move they could make.

by California Bengal Fan on Jul 27, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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