Bengals Training Camp: Projecting three veteran players that miss the cut
Each year, we examine the team's roster heading into training camp and predict which veteran players will miss the cut. Much of the reasoning is cost -- aka, salary cap casualties. Levi Jones would have been a perfect example -- but he was released several months ago. Other times the issue is simply age, allowing the team to turnover into youth. This year's list isn't so much cost, as it is availability, as well being on the chopping block because of age -- a cruel world we live in.
Make sure at the end of the post, you give me your three veteran players that will be axed. The only requirement is that a player has put in at least three years of service with the Bengals, or five years of service in the NFL. Here's my three.
Jeremi Johnson. One could make a theory that when Jeremi Johnson was the team's feature fullback, the Bengals were decent. Johnson having never missed a game between 2003 and 2007, missed all of 2008 after suffering a knee injury before the season started and released in November. While Jeremi played, Rudi Johnson set two single-season franchise rushing records; then leaving Cincinnati with the third most yards rushing in franchise history and second-most touchdowns rushing (more than Corey Dillon and James Brooks in less time).
I'm not saying that Jeremi Johnson is the reason the Bengals were successful rushing the ball -- our offensive line at one point was arguably one of the best in the league. But, one could make that theory.
Daniel Coats, who played tight end coming into the NFL, took over Johnson's role as the team's feature fullback.
Conditioning and weight issues have always been a serious frustration with head coach Marvin Lewis. Johnson has been forced to work with the training staff to get back into football shape during previous training camps. If Johnson keeps that trend, who knows how long Johnson sticks around. During a chat with the Cincinnati Enquirer, Marvin Lewis said that Johnson has "a long way to go to make the team. We don't know how Jeremi will be."
Did you know: In each of his first three seasons, Johnson caught more passes than he did rush attempts. He also scored a receiving touchdown in four of the five seasons he played.
Did you know II: The Bengals are 25-25 in 50 career games that Jeremi Johnson has started.
Antonio Chatman. It's not that he lacks talent. And it's not that he couldn't be useful. However in three injury-filled seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals, Chatman has played in 26 of 48 games. His best season (2008) with the Bengals, Chatman recorded 21 receptions and 194 yards receiving. OK, maybe that's not all that useful.
Then you consider the wide receivers he has to compete against to keep a spot on the roster: Chad Johnson, Laveranues Coles, Chris Henry, Andre Caldwell and Jerome Simpson. Sure, Simpson is a disappointment and Chatman might find himself successfully fighting for that number fifth spot on the roster. I doubt, however, that the Bengals do something with Simpson just to keep Chatman on the roster.
The Bengals also drafted Freddie Brown who, if he makes the roster, would work with rookie Bernard Scott as the team's leading return men. So I doubt that Chatman's history of punt returns will allow him a pass on the roster -- A 7.5-yard-per-return just isn't getting it done. Barring injury, I just don't see how he makes the team.
Kenny Watson. Since last year, the Bengals released Rudi Johnson and Chris Perry, acquired Cedric Benson early in the season, drafted Bernard Scott and traded for Brian Leonard. The team's running back group has seen a significant turnover.
Theoretically, the Bengals could take four running backs -- if that's the case, Watson makes the team. However, in each of the past three seasons, the Bengals have only taken three running backs and one fullback with the lone exception being 2008, when they took two fullbacks.
Projecting that Benson, Leonard and Scott making the squad, I see only a few scenarios in which Watson makes the cut. An injury to one of those three. Or Scott being placed on the practice squad. He does have a reputation of being a decent blocking back. Is that enough to keep Watson on the roster and shift one of the projected candidates to make the squad?
Alright, your turn.
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Sounds about right
Those all seem like the most likely players and I can’t really make an argument against any except maybe, MAYBE, Chatman since he returns punts but I think he’s cut as well.
I could also see Dede Dorsey cut as well just because the RB spot is full.
Now if and only if he has a terrible Training camp I could see Geathers get cut. That’s alot of cap space that hasn’t produced as expected. If he doesn’t do something spectacular this season I would honestly expect him to be cut after this season anyway.
3 cuts
Jeremi Johnson, Daniel Coats, Daryl Blackstock. Honorable Mention to Antonio Chapman – I pray Quan Cosby makes the cut, b/c there is a place for a wes welker-sized slot WR as long as Carson Palmer is in the pocket. And Quan had the best hands short of Crabtree last year w/ a similar QB (Colt McCoy).
And if this were 2 yr limits, I’d add Kyries Hebert.
by Yaccub Fleishcman on Jul 26, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions
and how could I forget – Frostee Rucker!
by Yaccub Fleishcman on Jul 26, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they'll keep Coats
he’ll probably replace Reggie Kelly as a blocking TE that can go out for a catch sum times
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
me too
"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"
by Joe Goodberry on Jul 26, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What's up with all this Frostee racism?????
I mean he’s not that bad I’d rather see Fanene go than him.
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
I'll pick 3
Jim Mawell, Reggie Kelly and Marvin White
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
My two cents
Dorsey, J Johnson, Maxwell, Rucker. Brad St. Louis is possible too, I dont know how hard it is to find long snappers. I’d put Kelly as a long shot to get cut, but possible.
Brad ST Louis already beat out someone
i doubt theyll bring in more competition unless they see one from waivers
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
I agree with those 3
You can also add Maxwell: nothing wrong with him, but with Maualuga on board someone will be left without a chair when the music stops. Blackstock is useful enough on special teams to stay.
Kelly, White, Rucker and St. Louis aren’t going anywhere. Dorsey and Coats are on thin ice, though.
my surprise cut could be Robert Geathers
He hasnt done anything in 2 seasons now. He makes a good chunk of money. Michael Johnson in breathing down his neck for playing time. Geathers has been injured for all off season workouts. Coach Jay hayes has said that Johnathan Fanene has played good durring mini camps. I dont think he will get cut. im just thinking outside the box.
Other possible, Utecht, Chatman, Leonard, J. Johnson, Kooistra, Rucker, Shirley, Blackstock, White
"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"
That would be a surprise!
If I’m doing math correctly — which means I’m probably not because any time that anyone opens with that statements means they’re not using the correct math — then releasing Geathers could be a cap hit of under $5 million with significant dead money later. Not to mention the implications of an uncapped year in 2010.
I thought about Utecht too. But I don’t see the Bengals relying on Reggie Kelly and Chase Coffman — and Daniel Coats if they move him back. Furthermore, Kelly is an UFA next year, whereas Utecht is signed through 2010. However, I see the salary cap causality argument here — Utecht is expected to make $2.25 million and $2.5 million over the next two years. Injury or not, is he producing for the cost?
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jul 26, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But seriously
Why keep Kelly when Coats is basically the same package and younger?
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
RE:
Because I don’t believe they are similar in terms of performance. Kelly is a far better blocker and will catch passes thrown his way.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jul 27, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Kelly's blocking ain't what it used to be...
He seemed to show a decline in this area in 2008. This more than anything makes him a candidate for The Turk.
by California Bengal Fan on Jul 27, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you are right
About the math at least. I don’t think there is future dead space this year, because of the uncapped year next year.
Jermi Johnson is a given. Watson and Chatman are 50/50. My suprise pick is Marvin White. With Ndukwe, Williams and Crocker on board, he is very expendable. Lynch is still developing and he and Hebert are both great on special teams.
One of the DE’s will go too. Just not sure who. With Odom bulking up it sounds like he will be more of an every down player than a pass rusher. Geathers seems like he would be better just as a pass rusher. Rucker is a more of a run stopper to rotate with Geathers. Fenene can play both DE and DT. I see MJ getting some play time but not too much his rookie year.
Marvin White - I forget the name of the Injury term...
…When they go on an injured list but then are available to rejoin the club after Week 6. Different from IR. The player cannot participate in training camp at all. (Someone remind me of the name of this status?)
White could be a candidate for this. I would imagine his knee is not really 100% yet. This would give them a chance to stash him, then see if a spot opened up due to injury at some point.
I am not sure I like this idea. But I do see a logjam at safety, and I would like to see them develop a solution without losing White just yet. I think he still has potential.
Speaking of safeties & injuries — What is the word on Corey Lynch? Is he considered to be recovered 100%? If White gets cut, it is really because they decide to keep Lynch in his place. But as he is also coming back from a leg injury, they need to be sure he will be the same as prior to the injury.
by California Bengal Fan on Jul 27, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
One good thing
The guys we will be letting go are really not bad players. The point is that the overall level of talent is higher than in recent years. This indicates to me that we will start drafting more for the future and this is one to the things common to the more elite teams. We are not there yet, but it is beginning to look like we are heading in the right direction. In fact in next years draft, or perhaps the following year, I would be looking for Carson’s replacement to play backup for a couple of years just in case Carson is gone for whatever reason after his contract is up.
BTW I am with smoorman in his assessment.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
I agree with
Johnson and Chatman. The Bengals didn’t draft a FB to put him on the practice squad. Chatman showed well in the preseason last year, but hasn’t shown anything on the field except a weak hamstring. I think that they will carry 4 running backs and 5 recievers with scott doing a lot of things but not blocking, that will be for Watson. I also think that they could carry Coats and Kelly, but this will be both Watson and Kelly’s last year if they do make the cut.
I could see both Fanene and Rucker getting cut. They need to give Geathers one more year to prove himself when healthy and with a solid D behind him, plus I think thecap hit would be significant (though I am not certain of that.) I see the D line as Odom, Geathers, Sims, Peko, Tank, McDonald, Shirley, and Michael Johnson. I also see michael johnson being used as a SAM backer at times.
Blackstock is another potential veteran cut though no one will notice or care, I think Michael Johnson replaces him nicely.
Simpson
I am not at all ready to give up on Simpson.
I don’t think he was drafted to contribute right away. I expect the plan for him was to replace Henry this year the Chad Next year. RIght now it doesn’t look like Henryy needs replacing, but the Team can now use Henry to replace Chad after next year, and Simpson to be a big play number 3 reciever, or they can let Herny go and keep Chad. Next year cuts will be easy because there won’t be a cap to count dead money against, so Chad can be let go, and Henry can be signed for a few more years.
Most recievers don’t break out until their third year even if they aren’t behind a ton of talent, and next year will be Simpson’s third and hopefully break-out year.
"I am not at all ready to give up on Simpson."
Me neither. But you have to consider this. In order for Simpson to get any playing time he needs to jump over Chad, Coles, Caldwell, and Chris just for playing time. In Simpson’s case, injury to one of those four will be the only allowance that he gets on the field.
What they do next year will obviously depend on what happens this year. Henry will be a big point in that, depending on if his performances justify another contract.
Maybe his only problem is that his first or last name doesn’t begin with the letter “C”.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Jul 27, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
2009 veteran cuts
Some of these predictions, like Uttecht, are next to impossible for 09. The guy battled with injuries and he’s the best end we have until proven otherwise. You can’t rely on a rookie at this position to start all season.
For this year, I think Jeremi Johnson is on the chopping block unless he shows up this week ready to practice. Come on, dude. I lost 30 lbs in 5 weeks this Summer, it ain’t that hard when you’re motivated. If he doesn’t look cut, then he’ll be cut.
Antonio Chatman is right up there in my book as well. He’s good, reliable, and not a bad player, but there’s so much talent he’s going to have to do something amazing in camp not to get cut.
And then there’s Kenny. Watson, that is. “OMG, you cut Kenny. You B***ards!!” Well, come on. It will be a hard cut to make, and he’ll get picked up lickety split by a team, but he will get the axe to make way for fresh legs. Fui V should emerge at some point this season, and even if he doesn’t Brian Leonard is sure to get some time. I don’t know what to say but Kenny is likely to be gone by the end of Preseason.
I’m not going to even factor in lineman in all of this. Both sides need backups, and I don’t think there’s any way to assess who wins the roster spots until there’s pads on.
Kudos upstateMIke
You lost 30 lbs. in 5 weeks! That is a super effort. I am 6’1" and weigh 220. I finally had enough and quit smoking (1 1/2 pks/day) 2 weeks ago. The same day I started a crusade to weigh 185 by the first of October. Any tips?
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran

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