The Bengals will look at where Smith fits best
On August 6, Marvin Lewis said Andre Smith will "get every opportunity to start at right tackle." We have to believe that that opportunity is fading. With one preseason game in the books, we're hitting that period in which unsigned rookies are risking missed miss time during the regular season. Of course, that depends on the position. A quarterback might not be ready, whereas a running back just needs to know the gap he's attacking. An offensive linemen could take more time. Not only does he have to know all of the protection schemes, the calls at the line, but he has to be in football shape.
And it's apparent that Lewis isn't so readily to promote that Smith will have an opportunity to claim the spot as the team's starting right tackle. During today's press conference, Lewis said "when he gets signed, he’ll work at getting up to speed as quickly as he can, and we’ll look at where he will fit best."
To be fair, there's really nothing to say. There hasn't been any known update on negotiations for several days. Lewis knows that Smith's learning curve is gone and he has to wonder if weight is an issue at this point. Hard Knocks did show Smith working out, staying in shape. However, the pessimistic part of me wonders if that just wasn't choreographed to gain public opinion.
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i thought this was interesting too
Maybe LG or a replacement for Bobbie Williams (he’s in the last year of his deal)
This could be best case scenario, alot of scouts thought with his 6’4" frame he would be an ideal fit for a Guard. I remember Ron Jawarski saying he thought he was a Pro-Bowl guard right now! i cant find the exact quote, sorry.
If the season depends on the Bengals O-Line, then lets have the 5 best players on the field.
"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"
could be a possibility
After all, that’s what they did with Whitworth after he was drafted. He had been a left tackle at LSU, but in ‘06 he wasn’t going to displace Willie Anderson or Levi Jones. Only now with 3 years’ NFL experience and turnover at the tackle position is he moving back to his natural position.
maybe a better question is..
where doesnt Andre Smith fit..
a good answer might be something like a phone booth, kiddy pool, in the biggest size ‘Big and Tall’ offers, or your average car.
maybe the reason we havent signed him yet is because we have not yet structurally reinforced the benches inside the locker room. or renovated the shower entrance to large enough dimensions to allow him access.
by 80%OFTHETIMEIMRIGHTEVERYTIME on Aug 18, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions
Ha!
I finally saw Hard Knocks a couple nights ago and that was my immediate reaction as well. This baby-faced blob is the stud tackle that the Bengals have (not really) been trying to sign?
Did he have “Mama’s boy” written all over him or what?
On a more serious note, I think if they sign him they’ll give him a week of reps and plug him in at right tackle. Not saying it’s the best move, but it’s what I expect them to do. Whether he’ll be any good there is a question we’ll have to wait and hope we get an answer to.
My first thought
was he fits in eating nachos with Ocho and Benson.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 18, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Congratulations Alvin Keels and Mike Effing Brown...
you’ve just accomplished something that hasn’t been done in Cincinnati for four years. You’ve let your first-rounder miss all of training camp. Bravo.
As an aside-unless what firstPick said is true and they plan on using him at G for a two or three year period only, wasted pick. You don’t pick a guard with the 6th pick in the draft.
I was excited about Andre until recently. Here’s to hoping he proves that feeling right and this one wrong.
I was uneasy ...
with the Andre “Dairy Queen” Smith pick from the moment The Commish called his name. It’s pretty certain he’ll be a total non-factor in at least the season’s first 8 games, and probably the whole season. The next 2 weeks will set in motion the next 2 months … if Collins continues to perform, a reserve OL-man steps up, and the O-line overall plays well, then ‘Dairy Queen’ becomes less of a signing priority. Note to Brown: stop drafting selfish idiots … we already have one of those.
Tim you're so ANGRY
…you REALLY DESPISE C Chad more than anyone I’ve ever known. ;-)
Every post you make references how much you loath him.
by JohnCockToastin on Aug 18, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Despise might be ...
… just a tiny, tiny bit strong (to I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve being despised) … “beyond feed up” might be more accurate. For every action there’s an equal and opposite reaction … so for all the good CincoTardo might do this year, it’ll be balanced out by the negatives. The more success he has, the more he’ll defy team rules, misbehave, be flagged for unsportsman-like conduct dancing, blaming others for on-field mistakes, etc., etc., etc. And if the Bengals would by chance make the playoffs, he’ll give us his typical “big-game performance” of 1 catch for 9 yards. I just don’t think he’s worth the trouble, or money.
Why should Smith take less?
Is it his fault the Browns are arguing over $7 million? Only the Bengals would offer the sixth pick less than the seventh. Every other pick in the first round has seen different results than what the Browns are offering, so how is this on Smith?
Just speculating
but I think the money is there it’s just the insentive issues to get the money . I don’t think the Bengals are real pleased with the garaunteed money amounts.
RE:
Unless something else has been reported that was missed, the two sides are last known to be about $7 million apart.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Aug 18, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
$7M
…which is not as much as the $8.6M (that’s $4.3M per sack!) that they gave to Justin Smith the last year he was in Bengal stripes.
Yes, I know…total non sequitur. And no, I don’t think I’ll ever let that one go.
by TheWalrus1971 on Aug 18, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
nothing reported
like I said just speculating. Despite this being a screwy year for draft pick salary slotting-the Bengals usualy bare the market scale (although begrudgingly and late)
When is the signing a bust
If Andre isn’t signed by the season opener, does that make him a bust for the year? Projected as the starter, then not being able to contribute, to me equals a smaller contract. or even a FA signing. If the Bengals sign him for the big bucks that he wants it’s just as wasted waiting to get him signed. Get him in now, when he can still help or wait till he doesn’t play until the 4th or 5th game.
lets go the whole way and sign Guichec
Does the front office not understand how amatuerish they look? we draft this guy to protect Carson and then we low ball him in the contract negotiations.No matter what anyone thinks of Keels,as Smiths agent he would look a total fud if he were to accept an offer like the one Mikey has offered,all the other teams are accepting the natural slotting system(yes its BS but its the way it is). It would be career suicide for the guy. The Bengals wanted Smith badly enough to draft him at 6 so they should man up and eat the cost. If he isnt signed this week then we go with what we have,virtualy the same guys that got Carson killed last year. The definition of Madness is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result…..
"The definition of Madness is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result….."
damnit, why do i keep buying these fricking season tickets.
virtualy (sic) the same guys that got Carson killed last year
Really? Lets see about that.
Same people (whether same position or not): Whitworth, Williams
Missing people: Jones, Andrews, Ghiaciuc, Perry, Kelly, Utecht*, Sherry*
(All people listed were there when he got hurt last year, *ed people aren’t here at the moment at least even if they are on the team, the rest aren’t at all or are on IR.)
New People: Collins, Livings, Johnson, Cook
Yup that’s “virtualy” (sic) the same people as those who got Carson killed last year.
Will the new line be good enough? No idea. But at least the people responsible for getting him hurt last year are all gone.
New people?
Thats Collins,Livings and Cook;all studs that were not considered to be as good as the guys that did start last year? mmm hmmm, I do believe Collins will be good,however he wasnt being considered as a starter this year until Smiths holdout. And while we are at it Kelly would have been another player who was one of the guys you deem responsible(along with Whit and Williams) who would have started. So while the “virtualy”(sic) comment may not be 100% accurate,some are not as “anal” as you about this and understand,that the failure to sign Andre Smith;a massive part of a new look line,leaves the changes looking just a little cosmetic.
Well “looking a little cosmetic” is a TON more accurate than “virtually” the same. Dude, 85% turnover is not anywhere near virtually the same. Is desiring something remotely approaching accuracy anal? If so, then the weather this morning was gorgeous and you aren’t allowed to correct me on it.
Now granted I was never on the Smith bandwagon at all. I didn’t want him personally and frankly I didn’t want any first round OL, and definitely not one in the top-10. I wanted to overpay for a defensive playmaker instead or find some way to trade down (or even skip out entirely if that’s what it took). But on the other hand, even HAD I wanted him failing to sign one player does not remotely approach “virtually” the same line as last year.
Further, your correction of my list is going the wrong way. Taking out Jeremi is in no way justified. He was on IR last year before Carson got hurt the first time (the nose) to say nothing of the arm. Thus it is in no way his fault that Carson was injured and he is in fact a “new” player that was not around when either injury happened. And if he is not the starter opening day then he is immediately replaced by somebody else who also wasn’t here last year at the point in time of the injury unless they turn around and put Coats back there again (not likely). And I initially forgot to mention Benson who is obviously a starter involved in pass protection this year who was not here at the time of the injury. Add it all up and we’re at at least 12/14 players turnover which is 85+%. And it gets even worse if we add in whomever plays in Utecht’s stead if he doesn’t come back quickly. Or if we consider good old Willie as involved (which he was at least partially so in the nose incident).
Now that Collins wasn’t considered a “stud” who was good enough to start is in no way HIS fault. In fact, it’s all the more damning condemnation of Mikey and Marvin for foolishly franchising Andrews and dispensing with Willie. Had they taken the chance on Willie’s health no doubt they would have been crucified in the media (and by you) beforehand and possibly even deservedly, but it would likely have worked out far better for us than the way things actually went. Nor is it Livings’ fault that he was stuck behind one of the best LGs in the league (at that time) in Whitworth. Finally its even LESS Cook’s fault that he fell to a freak injury in warm ups right before he could boot Guiacuic’s butt out the way we all wish he could have. Cook had, after all, actually beaten Eric out (unless of course they were lying through their tooth, which is a possibility). He did all he could to help out and then some.
No, sorry, I was not being in any way, shape, or form “anal”. I was pointing out the fact that you were so far off base you could no longer even see the stadium, much less home plate.
yup
The line got a grade of C+ from me during the saints preseason game.
slightly above average, they held their own against the saints starting D. However, they can use Tater in there against the bigger/better DTs of the league, and at the very least they need some fresh bodies in for rotation towards the ends of each half of play.
Thank God for Collins
If Collins continues to be as advertised and continues to grow I have no problem with MB playing hard ball with Andre. Especially if he doesn’t sign this week. Smith is in no position to wait until next year and if Keels doesn’t realize this he is too stupid to remember to breath in and out. The only way Smith earns over 5 mil a year is if he signs now. Now if one of our OL guys gets hurt in PS then things are different. That is the only thing that can swing things Smith’s way.
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