Strength in numbers; an examination of who the Bengals started the regular season since 2006
When the preseason marches towards a welcomed conclusion, discussion and debate takes place on who the team cuts and keeps. Sometimes the topic goes into salary cap causalities; veterans that are cut, like Willie Anderson and Rudi Johnson last year. Other times, the debate talks about players that surprisingly make the roster. As jsl413 broke down, the Bengals depth is strong in some areas, weak in others. Which means the Bengals could strengthen weaken positions by increasing the depth. It's a numbers game.
You see that notably with linebackers. In 2006, Brian Simmons was nearing retirement; his production was falling. David Pollack, while great with potential, was only then starting to adjust from being a defensive end in college to an outside linebacker in the NFL. Rashad Jeanty was a rookie. Landon Johnson was arguably our best linebacker. If you look back to that season, only one linebacker remains (Jeanty) with the Bengals and as far as I can tell, three are still in the NFL (Jeanty, Johnson and Ahmad Brooks). The position didn't improve in 2007 and grew worse when it was decimated by injury. Dhani Jones, an unlikely stability force who would join the team later in the year, became the most productive middle linebacker during Marvin Lewis' tenure. By 2008, the linebackers were on pace to be the most talented group assembled, taking less into the regular season while numerically increasing their numbers at other spots, like running back, defensive tackles -- two spots with limited production. You'll obviously see that again this year, with Jones, Jeanty, Rivers, Brandon Johnson and Rey Maualuga as the depth leaders.
Running backs is another example. In 2006, and even 2007, Rudi Johnson was considered the team's feature back. No competition. Hands down. After all, he set franchise rushing records in 2004 and 2005. However, along with the offensive line's degradation, he started degrading (some will note his inadvisable weight loss regiment, losing all of his strength in 2006) until he was finally cut in 2008. More importantly, the Bengals decided to take two fullbacks because Jeremi Johnson was simply not the force he used to be and the team liked Coats' enough to make room for him. While the talent level dipped, the team decided to strengthen the depth with numbers.
Take note of this. Am I saying that the depth and position is stronger because there's more players? Obviously not. You either have talent or you don't. A combination of average talent still makes that position average. But it is a luxury that most teams have, which largely depends on play-calling philosophy, as well as projecting your opponents philosophies. If you take on more defensive backs in any given year because your passing defense is poor, it allows you additional packages. But it's also dictated by strength. You will note how once the team had Leon Hall and Johnathan Joseph, they believed the position strong enough to only take four cornerbacks in 2008, as opposed to five in 2007 and 2006. Safeties increased because a long-standing issue of giving up big plays was still unanswered. You can bank on at least six safeties this year.
After the jump, you can see which players the Bengals took after cutdown day and how many players the team took at each position.
First thing we should note are the roster cut deadlines:
| DATE | EVENT |
| September 1st | Roster cutdown to maximum of 75 players |
| September 5th | Roster cutdown to maximum of 53 players |
Here's a breakdown on what positions the Bengals after final cutdown heading into the regular season.
| Position |
2006
|
2007
|
2008
|
| Quarterbacks |
3
|
3
|
3
|
| Running backs (including FB) |
4
|
4 (1)
|
5 (2)
|
| Wide Receivers |
6
|
6
|
6
|
| Offensive Linemen |
9
|
8
|
9
|
| Tight Ends |
2
|
3
|
2
|
| Total on Offense |
24
|
24
|
25
|
| Defensive Ends |
4
|
5
|
4
|
| Defensive Tackles |
4
|
3
|
5
|
| Linebackers |
8
|
7
|
6
|
| Cornerbacks |
5
|
5
|
4
|
| Safeties |
5
|
6
|
6
|
| Total on Defense |
26
|
26
|
25
|
| Specialists |
3
|
3
|
3
|
After the jump, we chart which players the Bengals kept since 2006.
2006
| Position | # | Players |
| Quarterbacks | 3 | Carson Palmer, Anthony Wright, Doug Johnson |
| RB / FB | 4 | Rudi Johnson, Kenny Watson, Quincy Wilson, Jeremi Johnson (FB) |
| WR | 6 | Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Chris Henry, Tab Perry, Antonio Chatman, Kelley Washington |
| O-Line | 9 | Levi Jones, Eric Steinbach, Rich Braham, Bobbie Williams, Willie Anderson, Andrew Whitworth, Eric Ghiaciuc, Stacy Andrews, Scott Kooistra |
| TE | 2 | Reggie Kelly, Tony Stewart |
| DE | 4 | Justin Smith, Bryan Robinson, Robert Geathers, Frostee Rucker |
| DT | 4 | Sam Adams, John Thornton, Domata Peko, Shaun Smith |
| Linebackers | 8 | Brian Simmons, Landon Johnson, David Pollack, Rashad Jeanty, Marcus Wilkins, Ahmad Brooks, A.J. Nicholson, Caleb Miller |
| Corners | 5 | Deltha O'Neal, Tory James, Johnathan Joseph, Keiwan Ratliff, Greg Brooks |
| Safeties | 5 | Dexter Jackson, Madieu Williams, Kevin Kaesviharn, Ethan Kilmer, Herana-Daze Jones |
| Specialists | 3 | Shayne Graham, Kyle Larson, Brad St. Louis |
2007
| Position | # | Players |
| Quarterbacks | 3 | Carson Palmer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jeff Rowe |
| RB / FB | 4 | Rudi Johnson, Kenny Watson, Clinton Dawson, Jeremi Johnson (FB) |
| WR | 6 | Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Tab Perry, Glenn Holt, Skyler Green, Antonio Chatman |
| O-Line | 8 | Levi Jones, Willie Anderson, Bobbie Williams, Andrew Whitworth, Stacy Andrews, Scott Kooistra, Eric Ghiaciuc, Alex Stepanovich |
| TE | 3 | Reggie Kelly, Daniel Coats, Nate Lawrie |
| DE | 5 | Justin Smith, Robert Geathers, Bryan Robinson, Frostee Rucker, Jonathan Fanene |
| DT | 3 | Domata Peko, John Thornton, Michael Myers |
| Linebackers | 7 | Ahmad Brooks, Rashad Jeanty, Landon Johnson, Caleb Miller, Lemar Marshall, Andre Frazier, Anthony Schlegel |
| Corners | 5 | Deltha O'Neal, Leon Hall, Johnathan Joseph, Keiwan Ratliff, David Jones |
| Safeties | 6 | Dexter Jackson, Chinedum Ndukwe, Madieu Williams, Marvin White, Herana-Daze Jones, Ethan Kilmer |
| Specialists | 3 | Shayne Graham, Kyle Larson, Brad St. Louis |
2008
| Position | # | Players |
| Quarterbacks | 3 | Carson Palmer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jordan Palmer |
| RB / FB | 5 | Chris Perry, Kenny Watson, DeDe Dorsey, Jeremi Johnson (FB), Daniel Coats (FB) |
| WR | 6 | Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Glenn Holt, Antonio Chatman, Andre Caldwell, Jerome Simpson |
| O-Line | 9 | Stacy Andrews, Levi Jones, Eric Ghiaciuc, Bobbie Williams, Andrew Whitworth, Dan Santucci, Kyle Cook, Scott Kooistra, Anthony Collins |
| TE | 2 | Reggie Kelly, Ben Utecht |
| DE | 4 | Antwan Odom, Robert Geathers, Jonathan Fanene, Frostee Rucker |
| DT | 5 | Domata Peko, John Thornton, Jason Shirley, Pat Sims, Michael Myers |
| Linebackers | 6 | Keith Rivers, Rashad Jeanty, Dhani Jones, Darryl Blackstock, Brandon Johnson, Corey Mays |
| Corners | 4 | Leon Hall, Johnathan Joseph, Simeon Castille, David Jones |
| Safeties | 6 | Dexter Jackson, Kyries Hebert, Herana-Daze Jones, Corey Lynch, Chinedum Ndukwe, Marvin White |
| Specialists | 3 | Shayne Graham, Kyle Larson, Brad St. Louis |
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Comments
Looking at that 2008 initial roster
I am so happy with the improvements we have this year. We’ve really improved across the board at almost every position (probably not corner, kicker)
by jsl413 on Aug 23, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
RE:
No doubt. Is this the best Bengals roster since Marvin Lewis took over?
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by Kirkendall on Aug 23, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have to go back to 2005 for that.
That was a very, very good football team.
This is certainly a better team than 2008, 2007, and 2006. Those guys in 2005 flat out produced, though.
The reason this is better is because I think we’ve finally developed the defensive side of the football. The only area that the roster is weaker this year than it has been in any of the past 8 years is potentially the offensive line, which does not compare to the ’05 or ’06 glory years. RB is also relatively weak, unless Cedrick surprises.
WR, LB, DT and DE depth are markedly better this year than in years past. Many of the other positions are at least as strong if not stronger. I think it’s a very solid team this year if they can put it together on the field.
by jsl413 on Aug 23, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One could argue
I agree about the offense. Hands down, simply because at the time the offensive line was regarded as one of the best in the game. What about the defense though. It certainly wasn’t a strong defense (28th overall, 22nd scoring). However, you could also argue that on defense, the Bengals were one of the best at turnovers — 31 picks, 31 fumbles.
Do we have better corners and safeties this year than 2005? Linemen? What about linebackers?
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by Kirkendall on Aug 23, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2005, the defense was spoiled by a good offense, but those takeaways really set up a lot of Bengals points and made up for the weaknesses when they weren’t causing turnovers.
I think 2005 was a great year for our corners, so it’s hard to argue that those guys are better. As far as the front 7, this year’s is the best we’ve had in a long time in terms of talent and depth.
by jsl413 on Aug 23, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defensive Line Rotation
Do you think they will rotate more this year? I remember a year or two ago the Bengals rotated the least in the league
We have so much depth and talent at that position. I hope Zimmer uses these guys to the maximum potential.
Fresh legs and talent equals sacks on the defensive line.
by nadfflictar on Aug 23, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Will someone explain to me...
If it’s absolutely necessary to use a roster spot for a long snapper? Is that position that difficult to fill? Wouldn’t a team be better off having backup linemen long snap, and carrying one more player?
by mskiles314 on Aug 23, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I don’t see why it’s so difficult for an NFL lineman to also longsnap.
by ephram on Aug 23, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do most teams carry a designated long snapper?
That is that plays only on special teams.
by featherman on Aug 24, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I’m pretty sure that many do. I’m also not entirely sure why. I have a hard time believing that it is THAT hard for somebody to learn how to do it well enough. Then again, considering how many other hours these people put in on their practice maybe the main reason is so that some backup player doesn’t have to spend a whole day’s work running lineman drills and then turn around and put three more hours in practicing long snapping so the punter and placekicker can get some reps in.
by FriarBob on Aug 24, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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