Can you explain why they are $4 million under last year's pick Gholston? I am being the creative...

Can you explain why they are $4 million under last year's pick Gholston? I am being the creative one here. "fair is fair"

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I'm now decisively on Smith's side.

by jsl413 on Aug 25, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Last year's economics do not dictate this year's pay scale

Just check around: how many people lost their jobs this year; why does everyone’s IRA shrunk in value in the past year; why is my house worth lot less this year; ….? You have got to be realistic. With each passing day, you will get a lot less because of games that Smith did not play that are included in the contract. What can Smith guarantee to the team? Play all the games and don’t get injured? Don’t make any mistake in every down? Win the rookie lineman of the year? Everywhere in this society is show me what you can do before you can paid. What makes him think he has that right to demand that kind of money without working for it.

by Richard L on Aug 25, 2009 2:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It's just how the NFL works.

The Bengals have the cap room to pay and the shared revenue to afford it. Mike Brown may have to give up some of his GM bonus to make the signing.

by jsl413 on Aug 25, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

just like paul daugherty said

Mike Brown feels better about winning a negotiation than he does about winning a superbowl

by nadfflictar on Aug 25, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The NFL is not the real world

The NFL’s market has been set this year and it is 10-15% (heyward-bey is 20%) higher than last years rookies got. I think it’s insane when you compare this “fantasy” to real world economics but all the other teams are following suite and put winning games in front of a negotiation win.

by featherman on Aug 25, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Boat Party is actually siding with Mikey B

I know, I’m as surprised as you are, but when a player as overhyped as Gholston is brought into the conversation . . . I guess I don’t need to finish that thought.

Rookie salaries at the top of the draft are out of hand. It’s embarrassing he isn’t signed, but at the same time kudos to Mikey B for not giving in when the amount Keels wants would make him the second highest paid player in guarantees on the team behind Carson. If the market dictates the player contract value, it is evident the market cap for a RT rookie in Cincy is 33 million.

I really do wonder if Mikey told Smith’s old agent right when he was drafted what to expect contract wise and that is why Rick Smith quit and Andre went back to Keels. If a player holds out of camp, I think the team has every right to come with a lower offer as well, on top of deciding what they are willing to pay.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 25, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well except for that Rick Smith didn’t quit. Andre fired him. Which almost has to have been a prearranged deal. Either that or its agent tampering, one or the other. Either way, even if I didn’t support a single other reason for Mike’s position I’d support him 100% because of the great agent swap/swindle/whatever.

When you add all the other reasons in that I support it, it’s even more of a slam-dunk case in my book.

by FriarBob on Aug 25, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, that’s right, he was fired. None the less, something was fishy about it. I really think the only way Keels is going to get a better deal is if there is an injury tat tackle.

by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 25, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Guaranteed money has increased by about 10-15% each of the past 3 years.

For picks 5, 6, 7 anyway. That’s how NFL rookie contracts go. Just goes up – and when the other 31 teams in the league go up with it, Mike Brown can’t be the only one that stays put.

by jsl413 on Aug 25, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I want to know why they can’t just make the first 2 years packed with incentives to get it to where he wants it to be, but to lower the guaranteed money. If he thinks he’s that good, he should be able to make it to any incentives.

by brandone on Aug 25, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

when the owner also makes weekly personnel decisions, he can make sure smith doesn’t reach incentives. “maybe one of our DEs can play tackle next game. marvin, what do you think about that?”

by Natty Bumppo on Aug 26, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs