Cincinnati Bengals Links and Notes: Wednesday 8/26
by jsl413 on Aug 26, 2009 8:28 AM EDT
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PrintIf you were around the site yesterday, you saw that the Bengals signed former University of Kentucky stand out DE/DT Ventrell Jenkins. Chris did a nice highlight of the signee yesterday. Other news from yesterday afternoon, if you didn't make it, Carson Palmer is hopeful to play in the final preseason game against the Colts next week. He did some dropping back yesterday, but did not practice according to Joe Reedy.
Oh, and if you watch Chad's ustream show, he said he'd be streaming live from the walk through today. He didn't give any details as to time, but he may tweet about it. Here's a link to the Ocho Cinco Show in case you're interested.
Other Bengals and NFL related notes from around the web:
- John Eradi writes that Brian Leonard will be played to his strenghts in the Bengals offense this year. I highly recommend you check this article out for some nice explanatory quotes from Leonard and Bob Bratkowski. The Bengals like him because he can catch, and he can run. I'm not sure how that makes him unique, but he was a second round pick only a few years ago.
- There are 5 locks to make the team at WR this year: Ochocinco, Coles, Henry, Caldwell, Simpson. The Bengals will probably carry a 6th for special teams and depth purposes. Geoff Hobson talked to Quan Cosby, one of the guys vying for that spot. Which of the "depth" guys do you think we should keep? He also talked to the other resident Longhorn, Cedrick Benson about his preseason progress. Benson is one guy itching to have Palmer return to the field; he said New England dropped a safety in the box frequently last week. Will the running game look better when Carson returns? Do other teams respect our passing game?
- Keeping up with the ever-infuriating Andre Smith storyline, James Walker took a mailbag question on contract talks. Meanwhile, Josh Lobdell of examiner.com hops on the Alvin Keels bandwagon, berating Mike Brown for not offering our first round pick a fair contract.
- The St. Louis Post-Dispatch's Jeff Gordon talked to Chase Coffman about his opportunity, in the wake of injuries, to push for some significant playing time. I want Coffman to win offensive ROY and revolutionize the Tight End position. Reasonable, right?
- Langston Moore has completed his graduate studies at Rod Marinelli's defensive line school in Detroit. "There's so much stuff that you learn from [Marinelli] and the pressure he puts on you to be a great defensive lineman and not just be out there taking up space." Geoff Hobson's article on Moore is optimistic that he can be a serviceable backup.
- ESPN's Page 2's G(r)e(gg) Easterbrook did his AFC preview. He praises last year's defense, then turns around to ask if it's unreasonable to think the Bengals offense will be terrible again. I think that's an outrageous thought. This guy clearly has not been watching preseason games. Even the picture of Cincinnati-style chili that accompanies the article looks bad. Can I hate on ESPN now?
- Aaron Schatz over at Football Outsiders wonders if competitive balance in the NFL has declined. He has a nifty charted backed up by their DVOA statistic to answer the question. I feel like we've seen some of the same teams in the playoffs out of the AFC the past few years, but Arizona went to the Superbowl last year. Your thoughts?
- Tom Brady said that getting pummeled by Robert Geathers last Thursday "felt good." I guess Geathers needs to get his weight up.
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1st round picks
Is Brown potentially hurting himself for future first round picks? If I were coming out of the draft and the Bengals had the 7th pick, I would tell my agent to tell them “Thanks but no thanks”
Please, do not try to rewrite Marinelli's history.
Langston Moore has completed his graduate studies at Rod Marinelli’s defensive line school in Detroit. “There’s so much stuff that you learn from [Marinelli] and the pressure he puts on you to be a great defensive lineman and not just be out there taking up space.”
I am a Lions fan and have had to suffer through Marinelli’s incompetence. Rod was criticized for spending too much time with the defence and especially the D line here in Detroit. The results of that “school” was the 28th, 32nd, and 32nd ranked defence during Rod’s tenure. He gave away our only good defensive lineman [Shaun Rogers] leaving the Lions with the worst D line in the NFL.
The myth that Marinelli is some kind of great D line coach is garbage.
Thanks for the opportunity to set the record straight.
Not all schools are good schools though. :)
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by Josh Kirkendall on Aug 26, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
i mean, GMs have a lot to do with it
Marinelli can’t go out on the field himself, and he can’t make guys play better, he can only try to help them learn that.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell
Yes, our D Line sucked. And yes we had other problems too. Including an idiot GM.
I don’t mean to pin our 0 and 16 year on Marinelli alone. He had plenty of help. And bad luck as well.
I just hate to hear him being lauded like he is some kind of defensive guru. His performance in Detroit over the last three years was horrific.
Thanks again for the opportunity to vent.
Hardly Preposterous
Without Andre Smith, we’ve done nothing but promote backups and shift guys around. How does this equal the #1 priority of the offseason? Face it, if they aren’t any better than last year it’s very possible that Palmer goes down and we have a repeat of 2008. I know, I know….what is it about the 7 PPG that hasn’t convinced me yet?
Like the defense, though.
You don't think these changes will help?
1. Chad Johnson playing well again. Chris Henry learned how to catch.
2. Carson Palmer
3. Cedrick with a full off-season under his belt
1. I’ve learned not to count on Chad or Chris Henry.
2. Like I said…if the line hasn’t improved, how does a very immobile QB like Palmer stay healthy for 16 games? Now an argument can be made that O’ Sullivan is a better Irish QB than Fitzpatrick if/when Carson goes down.
3. Cedric Benson is the same player that wasn’t good enough to play for the Bears. Take away “Former 1st Rd. Pick” and tell me how excited you are about 3.5 YPC?
It's essentially what Rudi did in his hey dey.
He wasn’t a big average back, he was a consistent 3-5 ypc back.
On another note...
Gaethers sack on Brady was the best sack I’ve ever seen from Gaethers AND of Brady… It was beautiful.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Aug 26, 2009 9:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ha, it's GREGG Easterbrook, not Glenn
Unless you were hating on him on purpose, in which case I fully endorse the “Glenn”
Not a preposterous question
It’s not preposterous to ask if the Bengals O will be better. Talk to other fans and they’ll say this: Carson is fragile now. Despite his big numbers (often catching up in lost games with garbage passing yds v. prevent defenses) in 06 and 07 he hasn’t quite gotten back to throwing off his front foot the way he did in 04 and 05.
C. Johnson has declined w/ age, and while personally i THINK he’ll get over 1000 yds and 8 TDs, you can only HOPE for that… not expect it.
C. Benson, for his career, gets about 3 1/2 yds a carry. Hardly eye-popping. Oh, and he gets injured.
RB Depth can be questioned, and again there isn’t an established threat among them. and injury history for Leonard and DeDe, as well as the generally craptastic play of J. Johnson our Mike Brown-endorsed FB (save for 2005, where he was a hoss. 4 yrs ago. Time has passed and he’s 278 lbs and f’ing slow to the block, which causes so much of the penetration of the pocket we see with Carson.)
WR Depth all depends on the integration to the offense of an older (but wiser?) L. Coles, and re-integration of C. Henry who sucked donkey boogers last year.
I think it’s fair to say we’ve seen improvement from beginning of training camp to now in Andre Caldwell, Jerome Simpson and Maurice Purify of all people. That’s good news.
Our O-Line is not hurt by having A. Collins at RT, and save for the questions on the Left-side, (Livings as your everyday LG, and Whitworth really having what it takes to stop the blitz on the blindside against Steelers and Ravens) I like Kyle Cook and J. Luigs as our Centers perhaps more than I liked Braham (who quit on us the next year… don’t forget he brought us the Eric Up-Chuck era.) A. Collins is beyond serviceable. We’re better with A. Smith, but the Brown/Blackburn clan refuse to do what it takes to be beyond “competitive”, and think more Super. Viva La WDR
by Yaccub Fleishcman on Aug 26, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
There’s no way Carson Palmer replacing Ryan Fitzpatrick is not a huge improvement. Fitzy has no business being on an NFL roster with his inability to throw the ball more than 10 yards and complete lack of awareness that led to undue scrambling and sacks.
Chad Johnson had one bad year. That’s not declining with age, he had been extremely consistent the previous 5 seasons, and there is not evidence that he’s slower. If anything, he’s moved better this preseason, and has been more aggressive after the catch. Chris Henry looks so good I’m not convinced Coles will be the #2 all season even if he stays healthy.
Cedric is not a top-flight NFL RB right now, but it’s hard to imagine that he won’t be better this year than joining the team mid-season last year.
And regarding the offensive line, from observation they look better than the unit last year. Losing Levi Jones does not hurt. Losing Stacey Andrews is a setback. But physically, these guys have done a good job up front. They made a couple mental errors against New England.
I just don’t see how this team will be the worst offense in the league again. I don’t think they’ll be “elite” but I think they can easily by above average.
I don’t see how you can say that losing Stacy Andrews is a setback. The guy was a damn turnstile last year.
they play completely different positions. andrews is a right tackle, livings left guard.
by Raging Clue on Aug 27, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Shows how much I've been paying attention.
Whitworth was playing LG last year? I didn’t get to watch many games / stopped wanting to watch games.
livings took over left guard after whitworth got injured, around the same time that collins took over left tackle for levi. dennis roland took over right tackle the last couple games after the 7-million-dollar-waste got injured, and really held up remarkably well.
by Raging Clue on Aug 27, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Palmer was 0-4 when he ended his season with a surgery.
by Yaccub Fleishcman on Aug 26, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
With Chris Perry at running back.
Last off season was awful for the Bengals. Everyone looked stale. I think the team is more positive this year, and I hope that makes a difference.
they also scored their two highest point totals of last season when Palmer was at QB.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 26, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, that's right, sorry bro. :)
I thought it was perfectly delivered, but that’s just me. lol
by Craig Conrad on Aug 26, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Something to the effect of
“Tom, is there something you were wanting to tell us?” lol
by Craig Conrad on Aug 26, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What our your guys' thoughts on your 1st rounder's negotiations?
Sucks majorly that DHB got such a huge deal but do you blame Smith or the Brown family?
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell
'preciate it
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell
i don't even know anymore...
its reasonable to expect the number 6 pick to get more than the number 7 pick, but it’s also reasonable to expect a rookie to be grateful that he gets an opportunity to play NFL football for millions of guaranteed dollars. i want the bengals to cave and get him signed. it’s probably not even about money for them. it’s Mikey being stubborn.
I actually agree with Mikey
I know it is only 7 million dollars, but rookie contracts are bloated. The guarantee Andre Smith is in store for would make him the second highest paid player on the team. There is something wrong with the second highest paid player being a rookie RT. Plus, factor in the Bengals are a family business and the potential work stoppage coming up in 2011, as well as economic conditions affecting ticket sales, there may not be as much money to give out.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Aug 26, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no reason
That a rookie should be the second highest paid player on the team.
by jim0ijk on Aug 26, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Carson Palmer out vs. Rams, perhaps preseason
I’d actually say that’s GOOD news for you guys. I personally love preseason injuries, they’re a lot better than regular season injuries!
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell
Thanks James Walker
I guess I should mention that I’ve been reading this blog for a long time and am a rabid Bengals fan, but have never posted before, but seeing as how I am the Christopher that asked the question in James Walker’s mailbag today, I guess I’ll just say hi to everyone and I think I’ll start posting here more often.
Welcome!
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by Josh Kirkendall on Aug 26, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I already hate ESPN
One of the worst recent things they did was in the Bengals highlights they showed immediately following the Bengals win over the Patriots. I didn’t see the game so I wanted to catch the highlights. They showed several Tom Brady incompletions into the endzone, but did not show the Chris Henry TD catch. Since Cincinnati is not LA, Boston, CHicago or New York, our touchdowns aren’t important to fans I guess.
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