Postgame Open Thread: If you didn't believe in destinies, curses or fate, after watching the Bengals 12-7 loss to the Broncos should make you a believer
by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 13, 2009 4:28 PM EDT
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PrintI'm not a believer in fate, curses, or preordained destines. Not until today. The Bengals moved the ball in the first half, but never scored. Frustration mounted. Furthermore, the Bengals did what they usually do against the Broncos; botch a field goal or PAT. In the second half, the offense shut down, punting the ball four times on four straight possessions that accumulated 24 yards. With 6:21 left in the game, the Bengals offense woke up, taking a drive 11 plays for 91 yards, taking the lead with just under 40 seconds left. Joy mounts. After the Bengals seemed destined to lose this game with a terrible performance by the offense, a botched field goal attempt, it seemed like they could actually pull this win out.
Then, after an incomplete pass, the most improbable thing happened. A deep pass to Brandon Marshall down the left sidelines is tipped in the air. Two other Bengals defenders drill Marshall, while Brandon Stokley sits behind the defense. As destiny, fate, curses would have it, Stokley easily catches the pass and takes it into the endzone for the game (balls) buster. After that, I've been plagued with a loss of words. I can't even find someone to blame. It's like the realization that no matter what happens, or how hard you work, that the end is already written. The Bengals were meant to lose this game. And they did.
For the most part, defensively, we played well enough. While the defense didn't get a turnover, they forced the Broncos into eight punts, five three-and-outs and three sacks. Furthermore, if the offense wakes up, the defense is far more praised than they'll likely be after the accidental long touchdown pass to Stokley.
Either way, the Bengals start the season 0-1, make very little appeal for Bengals fans to sellout the remainder of their games at home, and now have to answer questions about an offense that was so disastrous after last year. At least they did grab the lead. It was only destiny, curses and fate that had the final say on this one.
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UNBELIEVABLE
…. First words to come out of my mouth …… I’m just left speechless right now
I'm thisclose to calling it quits
I’m pretty sure I can’t take the bad luck anymore.
Why?
You guys lose one game on a bad luck play and you’re ready to call it quits? It’s not like the Bengals have had 17 straight losing seasons. Wimps.
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 13, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but we don't have the Steelers and the Penguins here in Cincinnati
We have the Reds and Bengals who have lost every year but one or two since 2000.
Coach Lewis shows no faith in his offense at the end
he calls a TO to see if it was a TD… Run the damn clock some… You have all 3 TO’s, the frickin ball is inches from the goalline… 10 secs is way better than 21 and it came to bite him in the ass when the put more time on the clock
You do that because...
as we just saw anything can happen, and the next snap could have been a fumble, bad snap and a turnover.
Better than last year...better WILL come
The Bengals know why they lost, the Broncos don’t know how they won.
The issue here is whether the Bengals respond at Lambeau before the Steelers come to town. Palmer was rusty, he’ll be better for the game. Give them a chance. They had victory snatched from them today by a miracle.
It's one game....
A crushing one, but a season is 16 games long, not just one. The Bengals should look at their offense’s inability to score all game long rather than just one fluke play. They should have been moving the ball like that final drive ALL game long. Bottom line: If the Bengals had been up by more than a TD, than that play is irrelevant. In my opinion, the Bengals were more than capable of putting the Broncos away before halftime. I think Brat is trying to take a passing team and turn it into a running team. And what’s up with Slim getting only one catch? I’m angry – but the more I think about it – I’m more angry at the first three quarters than that final play.
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
Game should have been over at half time
I don’t see many games from the stadium, but I’ll tell you one thing, the Bengals have NEVER made offensive adjustments after the interval under Bratkowski that ever provided anything. Same again today. A poor defense was made to look good by poor play calling in the third quarter (especially the first drive).
You hit the nail on the head
That’s what I’ve been saying for 4 years. They never make halftime adjustments in response to what the other team is doing. At some point the coaches have to be held accountable for their complete disinterest in doing their jobs during the game.
Don't know if it's disinterest
…but you keep what works, and you put plan B in for what doesn’t
Was Coles benched in the second half?
Why not get the ball to Henry?
Caldwell looks like a valid TJ replacement
…shame the coaches see that in the regular season. That’s what you’re supposed to see in training camp and pre-season.
Exactly.
One positive to take from the game is that people always harp on Carson’s ability to lead 4th quarter comebacks. He was perfect on that drive and the offense was hummin’.
1 play doesn't make a career but...
Crocker should’ve have been more worried about that happening then tackling a guy that was covered
It's one game, but
We can’t afford to lose any close games in our division. 10 wins might not even cut it, which means we now need to win 10 of our next 15 to have a chance…
rollercoaster
One minute i’m screaming for joy…….then the next I’m kicking the coffee table and screaming profanities…pop spilled…dogs running and hiding…….Wifes telling me.“.I told you they suck”…can’t take much more
stupid
how long is it going to take for these guys to get it.cincinnati gave them a new place to play or they said they were going to leave and they said {mike brown}cincy would be a a bettter team they still suck and they still don"t play smart wtf
That was the single greatest regular season play I have ever seen as a Broncos fan.
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the greatest regular season play. I'd say so.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Props to the defense
They lived up to the crazed ravings of the fans on here. Three sacks in one game wouldn’t be remarkable for most teams, but for the Bengals it’s HUGE. That combined with absolute dominance against the run, against the cut-blocking broncos, makes me feel a lot better about the defense.
I think the offense paid the price of not having Palmer play in preseason. Coles obviously isn’t used to catching balls from him; they need time working together to get a feel for how each other plays. There were, what, 7 drops in the first half alone? 3 or 4 of them from Coles?
they bought me shots
At the ded poet on the uws they bought me shots they felt so bad for me. I think I will quit watching football. OSU, the bengals today its too much .
I just can't get over the fact that...
you know bad things like that happen to you and you just ignore them at the end… If I was playin safety I would have been right at the 50 and not moving till I seen trouble
I'm not there yet because I'd rather...
take a 2-3 start with a big finish, taking into the playoffs than a 4-0 start with a dud at the end
Also what's up with B Scott not getting one handoff
if your team is playing crappy a big play guy like that needs to at least get a couple carries
That's not beyond the Bengals
Leonard looked good, Caldwell as well
Thought Cook had a decent game
Chad spoiled two good receptions by not keeping his head
What happened Livings? I saw Mathis in there late (but lost reception on Game Pass)
DL was great throughout and there were two brilliant knocks from Rivers and Rey
…when they piece this together on Monday, the Bengals can still take more from the game than Denver. This is not the same as last season.
Every broncos reciever had a drop too.
It’s not like the bengals even saw the best broncos out there. Hillis didn’t even take one rush.
What if’s don’t matter. You lost, that’s it.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I've no problem with it
Got to move on to week two, you’re history.
But feel free to post your what if’s during the season, you’ll have plenty.
okay, here's one.
What if the broncos won 12 to 7 and are now 1 and 0. Undefeated, so far.
If we are moving on to week two an hour after the game, why is this thread even up???? Probably to talk about the game that JUST HAPPENED.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Free country
I think it’s fair to say that this discussion looks not only at the game, but at ongoing problems the Bengals have.
It’s a Bengals website to talk about Bengals matters. I’m not giving you hassle because you don’t have any friends in Kentucky to talk about Broncos matters, but like I said, I’ve moved on to the next game. Maybe you should consider moving to Colorado – or maybe it’s a horse thing. You tell me.
Sell the bengals to LA --- let's get a whole new team
we need to exorcise the demons
by Yaccub Fleishcman on Sep 13, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
anyone got the ame Tivo'd?
I thought 18 secs was a lot to put back on the clock
yeah, well they milked off 18 seconds after a 3 second run play.
They just cleared up their mistake.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
To clear this up....
1. Caldwell didn’t get in. Lewis questions the play (as I’ve been told from previous posts) with 00:38 left.
2. Ced TD, still 0:38 secs left.
3. Extra point, still 0:38 left (but clock is back to 0:20)
4. Referees confer, 0:18 added. Bengals lose timeout.
I though the rulebook states that once 2. takes place (ie. another play), that 4. cannot take place.
That’s just for clarity. Happy to be proved wrong, and it doesn’t change the result, but still.
Yeah, an extra point does not count as a play. No time is taken off of the clock.
It said 20 all the way through the extra point. Then they added the 18 after the extra point was over.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but...
…the Bengals challenged the play BEFORE the TD was scored.
Refs got it wrong for me, if the rule book is being strictly applied.
you don't challenge a play under 2 minutes. It's a booth review.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong terminology
Yep, still with you. How are the Bengals charged with 18 seconds and a timeout from a booth call?
Here’s the play by play from the NFL…
“2-3-DEN 7 (:50) (Shotgun) 9-C.Palmer pass short middle to 87-A.Caldwell to DEN 1 for 6 yards (23-R.Hill). The Replay Assistant challenged the runner broke the plane ruling, and the play was Upheld.”
I didn't know that the bengals were charged a timeout.
Regardless, the bengals didn’t even use their timeouts.
So, what does that have to do with anything?
The one thing that matters is the 18 seconds. The clock ran down to 20 after that TD play. The play was run with like 41 seconds. So, a running play doesn’t take 21 seconds to execute. They put the 18 seconds up because it was the right call.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter if they challenged it or not. What was in question was how much time was on the clock when the TD was scored.
38 seconds. So, they put 38 back on the clock for the broncos.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Biggest failures this week
1. Cedric Benson – 10+ carries on the inside for roughly 15-20 yds. That 20 yd rush at the end beefed up what was an otherwise terrible day for him
2. Brad St. Louis – you incredibly inept long-snapper – do your very simple job, you loser
3. Bob Bratkowski – psssst – how do you get negative yds over the 1st 3 possessions of the 2nd half, after an even worse 1st half? Who does that, except for the (still…) worst O-Coord in the NFL?
4. Carson Palmer – bad decisions all day. Fitzpatrick avgeraged more points in a game than you do, Carson. He is 0-7 in his last 7 games. Who is ready to finally call him what he is? Overrated (can’t blame the o-line this time)
Carson is Overrated and a Loser. Has never won the big game, never will.
by Yaccub Fleishcman on Sep 13, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions
How about that denver defense?
They were about a minute short of pitching a shutout.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just saying.
It wasn’t that the Bengals played poorly, maybe the Broncos just played well on Defense. That can’t be bad for the bengals because that means that they aren’t terrible.
So, you’re welcome.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
ok here is how I can see if your being a homer..
who played the better defense?
well, I would look at the in depth stats for my answer
Broncos D allowed 7 points
Bengals D allowed 12 points
Denver allowed fewer points, so…………
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll tell you if the Broncos played well on defense when the season ends.
We can’t judge who played bad and who played good in this first game.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
remember...
when the game was on the line they failed
yeah, I said "a minute short of pitching a shutout"
honestly, i’ll take that over giving up 35 points any week.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
bengal's D outplayed Denver's D
so I wouldn’t be overjoyed with them, not disappointed but not thrilled either
let's go into hardcore stats.
Denver D points allowed 7
Bengal D points allowed 12.
So…………..
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
my bad, i got those mixed up. lol, wow that would have changed things.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wait, i didn't mix them up, that's actually what happened.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Was anyone else
1) worried like maybe this very simple play would fail with the extra point.
2) getting a sick feeling when the refs added secs to the clock. A premonition that we were going to get screwed.
3)Nervous that we couldn’t stop Denver from scoring eventhough they only had 30+ secs withe ball behind their twenty.
4)feel like this fluke play was bound to happen
Hmmm....
1. Yes. Dan Fouts was worried, and he didn’t care.
2. Yes. Because they got browbeat by the Denver coach for three minutes before the extra point attempt. It was nice to notice how Marvin accepted that call.
3. Yes. Denver started getting nosebleeds any time they entered Bengals territory.
4. Obviously. Game Pass actually dropped for a minute to save the ignominy of watching it live. Thanks nfl.com. You claimed the service was new and improved and in that sense, I cannot argue the point. Certainly new, it doesn’t work. Certainly improved, it picks out the plays you don’t want to see.
3, how so?
The broncos stopped the bengals inside the broncos end of the field like 5 times.
The bengals scored once, despite having great field position the entire game.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 13, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
odd feeling
today feels a lot like the 1987 last second loss vs SF, the one where Montana threw a last second td to rice with eric thomas in coverage. then, boom the team was in the super bowl the next season.
its darkest right just before dawn, right? 2010 is the year!
"Plain and simple, I wake up in the morning and piss excellence"
Yeah, today was a very dark moment for the Jungle
The way that today’s game played out indicates to me three things…
1. Marvin needs to be fired
2. Brat needs to be fired
3. Zimmer should be our HC.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Sep 13, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
Why should Marvin be fired?
Because he’s always been bad at clock management, and he still wants to criticize Chad even though Chad was almost the only offensive player playing like he wanted the team to win.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Sep 13, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
On a positive note
I think Carson Palmer played exceptionally good for the most part. That to me is reassuring since I thought he’d suck after having practically no pre season.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
well!!! not "good"............"well".
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 14, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, protecting the rules of grammar is worth the time.
The “well/good” situation is one of my biggest pet peeves.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 15, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
hard game to watch
for both of us fans the game is over is was a weird play just good heads up by stockly i am happy but i do understand u pain last season den was 8-5 and blew it with very bad d and qb mangandent and kentucky bronco u ruie come on home to mhr and ciny fans good luck in w 3
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
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