Fundamentals wasn't a problem with the Bengals; players staying positive is a good thing
+ There's 16 games. But who cares. When you lose the first one, everything changes. Calls for firing Marvin Lewis start boiling. If a Bengals fan occupied the any government security agency, Bob Bratkowski would be called an enemy of the state and Mike Brown sucks. Still. In fact, I blame the Bengals for that steak I cooked after the game. It was a bit less pink than I like. Those that called for the Bengals as the darkhorse team to make the playoffs are pushing each other off the bandwagon now. Like James Walker, who banged the drum of the Bengals possibly being postseason darlings by being this year's Arizona Cardinals.
Hold off the playoff talk for now in Cincinnati. The Bengals need to get back to the fundamentals in order to win their first game of the 2009 season. Despite the preseason hype, the Bengals were sloppy and inefficient and it cost them Sunday in a 12-7 loss to the Denver Broncos.
One game. Does all this preclude the obvious, like having an offense that mightily struggled until the final possession? Or does that include the not so obvious, like Kyle Orton calling in the huddle: "chuck it to Marshall, deflection by Hall left and Stokley being at the right place, right time... on two. Ready...." Furthermore, save for the one botched field goal attempt, I wouldn't necessarily constitute the Bengals as needing fundamentals; there wasn't any trend of missing tackles; the second pick by Carson Palmer was a Hail Mary; there wasn't any fumbles on offense; they only committed four penalties for 27 yards lost. In fact, the Bengals offense outplayed the Broncos offense in every phase -- total yards, rushing yards, gross passing yards, rushing first downs, passing first downs, third down conversion percentage, total offensive plays, time of possession.
Granted, the only stat that matters is the final score. But fundamentals? C'mon. Here's a bit of advice. If you're going to get off the bandwagon, at least duck and roll so you don't hurt yourself.
+ Even through all of the SportsCenter highlights, the anger and backlash, the team is staying positive. Antwan Odom said, "I think we played good as a defense, and I look forward to the rest of the season because I think we have a good thing going." Domata Peko said, "We had a couple sacks (Sunday) from the front four. We have to move forward and forget about this game." Andre Caldwell sees the positives as a team, tweeting, "We are a team so we all improve as individuals but most importantly we will get better as a team in all phases." Rey Maualuga promises, "We are gonna do some great things this year!" Chad Ochocinco tweets, "It's all good, we will be back." Pat Sims? Oh, we're winning next week. "Man what a day, wish it would have ended n our favor. Next week it will."
Let me put this in perspective. It's one thing for the players to write this, throwing a blanket over the fans to make us believe. But it's another when nearly all of the players with Twitter accounts are actually believing this themselves. Think of it this way. Would you rather them bitch and moan about the loss, or believe that they'll rebound next week?
Quick note before we go: Mo Egger loses man points for this Tweet while a great Sunday night football game is going on between the Packers and Bears: "If anyone happens to be watching the VMAs, I need help on what that is standing next to Beyonce."
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Um, we sucked. J. Walker is right, we lacked the fundamentals.
Furthermore, he could have said that whole paragraph about us even if we had won, because it’s true. We should have hung 45 up on them. Carson was egregiously bad.
by Yaccub Fleishcman on Sep 13, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t know that Carson was bad so much as Brat was an outright idiot. I was glad I had another game to watch on the next TV over, I could probably have figured out what play they were going to call blindfolded. OK maybe not quite that bad, but pretty close.
There were three OCs fired in the two weeks leading up to the regular season. It should have been four.
Maybe walker was talking about the dropped passes for the fundamentals.
Also, while efficient in the middle of the field, we didn’t score on longer drives. An efficient drive often ends with a score. Not all the time, but efficient offenses do score when driving the ball.
C’ mon. In pee wee football, they teach you to knock the ball down in situations like that, not up. Leon Hall was probably up at 3am the night before driving around drunk.
wut?
He barely got the ball at all. It’s not like he jumped 15 feet in the air and smacked it up on purpose. They also teach you in pee wee to try and deflect the ball and that’s what he did. You don’t just let a pass go over your head to the other teams biggest playmaker if you can get a finger on it.
Can someone please fire Brad St. Louis?
At least Carson Palmer and Laveraneous Coles have proven that they can be successful in this league. Brad St. Louis, conversely, has screwed up in big situations almost universally (Denver ‘06 and Playoff Game in ’05). That man has one job to do and he can’t even do it right. Don’t tell me the Bengals can’t find a longsnapper off the street to do better than that schlub.
And Leon Hall was just trying to make a play – ease up on the man. It was Crocker’s job to guard Stokely and maintain the deep safety. That play was a one in a million job anyway – had JJ come down in bounds the play before (rather than being knocked out of bounds by his own man) this entire conversation would not be happening.
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
We actually...
Brought in a rookie long snapper and still kept B St Louis, we really are inept.
On another note, I think Ochocinco hurt us as much with his penalties than Coles with his drops. Benson looked slow as hell, Collins looked like Gus Parrish at times. Palmer in my opinion looked great, mobile and accurate. JJ Johnson should be replaced with Pressley and Bob Bratkowski should be fired ASAP.
On yet another note, I thought Jonathan Joseph picked off the ball right before the ugly play and we should’ve won right then and there. Why the fuck didn’t the refs review that play, it baffles me.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Sep 14, 2009 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I agree that I thought he tap danced well enough that it at least should have been worth another look upstairs. Just to be sure. The lack of review was just an egregious mistake there. Even if the call stood it should have been checked.
As for JJ and BSL, I wish. But it’s not happening. Not while Mikey owns the joint. Same story (probably) with Brat, and he’s the one who MOST needs to go. Today. If not sooner.
can i just say how glad i am that people have finally joined me on the fire bratkowski bandwagon? sure, it only took seven years for everyone else to catch up, but thank god people have joined me.
Actually I have been wanting him gone since before Bresnahan was let go. He was more of the problem than Bresnahan. I didn’t complain or say anything about it because Zimmer was such a huge upgrade, but if I’d had any say in the matter at the time I’d have kept Bresnahan and canned Brat. Or canned them both.
Can you imagine what this team could have looked like if we’d grabbed Zimmer AND got Hue Jackson back as our OC that year? Oy vey now THAT would be a team we could cheer for.
Biggest Positive
Palmer went 5-5 for 69 yds, driving the team 91yds for the go ahead TD in the 4thQ.
When the chips were down, he delivered.
Had the O played better, we could have given up the freak play at the end and still won, but the clutch 4thQ drive should not be overlooked.
Offense not inept!
Jharmen what game did you watch? The offense I had seen all day was dropping passes, getting penalized, and shooting themselves in the foot at the worst time! Don’t even get me started about that field goal attempt. I had a bad feeling before the snap, and felt even worse after it. Dan Fouts said it correctly “that’s why they call them the Bungles”! I have no problem with the defense. Even that fluke play at the end, just bad luck that always seem to go against us! The offense BIG PROBLEM! They stunk up the joint all day long! If Lewis and Bratkowski don’t get it fixed in a hurry, then we’re in for YET ANOTHER LONG YEAR!
100 yards offense + no first downs = inept
300 yards offense + several big plays + 7 points = much to work on but not cause to stock the fallout shelter.
Regardless, they did not get the job done. I agree on one thing though, they need to tighten the screws in a hurry. Can’t afford to give away games to teams we should beat.
Palmer had a below par game
Outside of Coles who dropped passes, Palmer did not call a good game either. It is time that we call a spade a spade. Bengals should have put more points on the board. Just look at the 3rd down conversion percentages. You’d also need to score when you get down inside the ten.
Completely disagree
Palmer looked sharp for his first game. The play calling by Bob “deadman walking” Bratkowski was what made us lose this game.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Sep 14, 2009 2:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Palmer takes the blame
Palmer ain’t a rookie anymore. Brat may be calling the plays but I still like to think QB is the one that should make his own decision depending on what defense throws up at the line of scrimmage. Otherwise why do you pay Palmer-sized salary? When Palmer was good, we had seen audibles and no hurdles offense. He is the guy on the spot doing the execution and he was sub-par in his 1st game back.
I saw
a more mobile Carson who had poise in the pocket as well. He didn’t make many mistakes in my mind. He had no fear from knee hits and his elbow injury looks to be 100% behind him. I think overall I liked his attitude.
Carson always takes the blame because he’s a leader; doesn’t mean it was actually his fault.
I would even say it’s the best I’ve seen him in a long time.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
agreed completely. i thought for sure yesterday would shut up all those people who claim he’s immobile and doesn’t step up in the pocket and whatnot.
by Raging Clue on Sep 14, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Palmer's first game in nearly a year
There was rust and he struggled at times, but the 91 yard drive, in my opinion, was a positive step in the right direction for him mentally. We’ll see if he and the offense can build off that next week. Ocho looked good as did Caldwell. All in all, the D was sound too. The game winning play is a fluke, and including that, they still allowed 12 points and only 370 yards of total D.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Sep 14, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions

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