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Is Carson’s Struggles really the Bengals Offensive Line Fault?

Shortly after the fluky loss to the Bronco's on a tipped pass that should have fallen to the ground harmlessly, stats came out showing Carson Palmers record not as good as once thought.  Yes, the offense has struggled mightily and offensive line has taken the brunt of the criticism.  But is this the true cause to the problem?  Besides the injuries to such players such as Willie Anderson and Levi Jones over the past few years, I think another position that should come under fire is the quarterback coach.  Since the QB backup/coach Jon Kitna left in 2006, Carson's numbers has steadily declined in one category or another.

The 2005 season set the standard for not only the Bengals, but for Carson himself.  Since Kitna's departure after that season, Carson's record has been less than stellar at 15-22.  In 2006, Palmer was sacked 36 times which was nearly twice as many from the 2005 season.  Is this solely the fault of the offensive line, or could some of sacks been avoided with proper coaching?  In 2007, he threw 26 touchdowns but threw a career high 20 interceptions with a passer rating of 86.7, far below the 2005 best 101.1.  Last season, cut short by his elbow injury, he had 3 touchdowns with 4 interceptions after only 4 games, putting him on pace to finish with a career low 12 touchdowns and 16 interceptions and just over 2900 yards passing.  These are not the stats we have come to know from Carson.

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During this time frame, the defense has been known to be rather ineffective, giving up large leads and not doing what it takes to finish a winnable game.  When Carson took over the offense, they quickly established themselves being able to overcome whatever situation the defense presented, whether it was a long field or an early 2 TD deficit.  But since Kitna's departure, those situations have recently presented challenges the Bengals don't seem comfortable with.

Ken Zampese has done a good job getting the most out of Carson.  Heck, he is every got pedigree being the son of Ernie Zampese, QB coach extraordinaire.  But he does not have the instincts or tangibles that Kitna brings.  Most notably, Kitna knows Bob Bratkowski offense better then Bratkowski himself.  When Kitna was here, he would meet Carson first after a touchdown or an exchange of possession, either to congratulate him on a good play or to correct an error from the pervious play.  Whenever the camera showed one on the sideline, the other was right there looking over the images of the previous plays or they were discussing what maybe more effective on the upcoming series.  And even off field, they had built a chemistry that has not been seen since the departure.

Kitna left the Bengals because he felt he still could be a starter and landed squarely in purgatory, Detroit.  He had some good games and of course he had his bad.  Now he is with the Dallas Cowboys backing up Tony Romo, a situation I am sure he does not desire.  Unless Romo suffers another injury, playing time will not be to Kitna's liking.  If he still desires to be a starter, his current diminished role as backup and recent struggles in Detroit may make it difficult for a team to consider him a starter next season.  So to stay active in football, I believe his talents can be better used in Cincinnati coaching his favorite pupil and our favorite quarterback. 

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A stretch

1. If John Kitna is a better coach/motivator than what we currently have, what does that say about our coaching staff?
2. If Carson Palmer needs John Kitna to hold his hand, what does that say about Carson Palmer? Can you imagine Brady falling apart once Bledsoe left or Manning doing the same with one of his backups leaving?

Here’s what happened:
1. Knee injury
2. The Bengals absolutely shunning meaningful free agency(Ed Hartwell!!!) and taking the easy way out by locking up their own. Some undeserving of the money they were given.
3. Disintegration of the O-line. They let Steinbach go and make a huge investment in two tackles that go on to play sub-par football for the remainder of their time here.
4. Getting absolutely nothing out of Chris Perry/Kenny Irons. Stephen Jackson and a center would’ve looked a lot better. Rudy gets small and old. Running game goes to crap.
5. Chad was a jackass from halftime of the playoff game through the end of last year.

Maybe I’m out of my mind, but I think a few of these factors play more heavily into his decline than the lack of a John Kitna bedtime story every night before bed. About the only thing to gripe about this year is an improved, but still shaky O-line. Chad seems back to normal. His knee/elbow should be 100%. Benson is running pretty well. The general chaos surrounding the organization seems to have disappeared. If not 2005, he should be close to 2006 form.

by bodacio on Sep 21, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

some of the other reasons

(1) eric ghiaciuc. when the center can’t stop anyone from blowing into the backfield. its a huge hole. no qb can withstand that. Dave Lapham once stated, “To say Eric Ghiaciuc blocks the blitz like a blind six-year old would be to insult the blind six-year old.” After Carson Palmer suffered a broken nose on a sack, Palmer said, “What do you think is going to happen when a 280-pound defensive lineman AND your 300-pound center both fall on your face?” This line spent years haunted by the loss of Rich Braham.

(2) jeremi johnson. his loss in 2008 cost the bengals several wins. he blocks. he blocks well. he fills the pass protection hole our suspect line creates often. marvin can make all the jenny craig vs nutrisystem vs weight watchers jokes he wants. BUT theres one fact he has to accept, the bengals pass protection is noticeably stronger with johnson in the backfield as opposed to nfl castoff converted TEs playing FB.

(3) everything bodacio said, with his 3rd point in all caps.

by palewook on Sep 22, 2009 7:13 AM EDT reply actions  

I think "Struggles" is ...

a gross overstatement. If not for the 6 drops vs. Denver, his numbers last week would have been more than acceptable. Versus the Packers, sure he had 2 bad, majorly ill-advised throws … but the other 95% of his throws were accurate, with more than enough zip. I will continue to say, whatever problems exist on this team, Palmer is not among them. When given all the right tools/weapons around him, Palmer is still a top-5 NFL QB, if not top 3.

by Timzilla on Sep 22, 2009 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

actually, around 2005, i was saying that we should’ve promoted zampese to offensive coordinator and hired kitna as quarterbacks coach.

you're all posers. i hated bratkowski before it was cool.

by Raging Clue on Sep 22, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

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