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Pre-game Open Thread: The early games in the NFL; Saturday's action in college football; Bengals and Steelers opening thoughts

The Cincinnati Bengals have three games this year with a kickoff other than 1 PM on Sunday. And two of them are games played on the west coast (San Diego and Oakland). The first of those three games kicks off today, when the Bengals host the defending Super Bowl Champion Pittsburgh Steelers at 4:15 PM (EST) this afternoon.

This means we have a collection of early games to watch before kickoff.

If you live in the Cincinnati area, Southwest Ohio specifically, we'll have the Cleveland Browns playing the Baltimore Ravens on CBS at M&T Bank Stadium (if you can't keep up with sponsor-named stadiums, that's in Baltimore). This game has implications in the division. If the Ravens win, they'll be the only undefeated team in the AFC North. If the Ravens lose to the Browns, the winner between Cincinnati and Pittsburgh will lead the division by way of tie-breaker. It doesn't mean much since this is only the third week on the season. However, it would mean a lot for the Bengals and all of us fans. On Fox, the Atlanta Falcons travel to New England.

Since we have to wait, we'll have a pre-game open thread, talking about the early games, Saturday's college football action as well as thoughts about a big division game in Cincinnati.

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Bengals / Steelers

The Bengals are 3.5 point underdogs.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Ravens / Browns

The Ravens are 13.5 point favorites. Are we really surprised?

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Only that its not higher.

I mean I actually do pity the Browns a tiny bit. Maybe I shouldn’t but I do. But they are flat pathetic this year. Any team that’s actually decent should have a 10 point spread. Any team that is in the top 10 in any power ranking on the net should have a 20 or even 30 point spread on them.

by FriarBob on Sep 27, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you see the Browns are facing five grievances?

PFT. Though Schefter’s report is being disputed.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam Schefter Tweets about Bengals game.

“As an NFL quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger never has lost in state of Ohio — 11-0. He’ll be tested today.”

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

On Crabtree

Schefter said on NFL Countdown that Crabtree’s true pay out could happen as late as 2011 if he elects to reenter the draft. And 2011 could be a work stoppage year, making him conclude that it could be nearly three years before Crabtree gets paid with incentives and bonuses that are paid out the following year.

Man. And we were this close at looking at Crabtree in the draft.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Well I don’t think that would have been a problem. Remember that the entire reason for this problem is that Crabtree is nuts enough to think that just because he is a better receiver than DHB he should be paid like it. (Yeah I know, under normal circumstances he’d be right, but thanks to the moronic situation of the draft as it exists right now, he isn’t.)

Had we drafted him at 6 and the DHB goes at 7, he’d be asking for better-than-DHB-money and he’d actually be RIGHT to ask for it. Of course, it would really suck that we’d have to pay that kind of money, but Katie wouldn’t have had any leg to stand on if she’d tried to pressure him.

End results look pretty good to me. 1) Either we break the bank but we have an outright elite WR corp, or we don’t but we still have a decent one. 2) We don’t have any squabbling over having drafted Smith here.

by FriarBob on Sep 27, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who Dey!

Today could be a turning point, guys! I’m amped!

by Adam Morgan on Sep 27, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Me too brother!

BTW, that was my Hulk Hogan impression. :)

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Injuries

Brian Westbrook out, Dwayne Bowe out, Wes Welker out. For anyone interested in fantasy stuff.

by Adam Morgan on Sep 27, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Chad's latest Tweet

“Listening to Mississipi Mass Choir right now, song (I’m not tired yet) dancing through the locker room, I feel really good”

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Go Browns?

Is that sacrilegious?

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen!

"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius

by TarZander on Sep 27, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

NFL Broadcast Map Update!

http://the506.com/nflmaps/

Game is aired from Texas to Minnesota (and part of the Dakotas, Missouri, Nebraska, Arkansas), to Pennsylvania to most of South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama.

by jsl413 on Sep 27, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Iowa made my day last night...

Buckeyes now have a leg up in the Big 10(11)!

"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius

by TarZander on Sep 27, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

RE:

Yea. I thought the same thing. Iowa looks pretty tough on defense. They might give Pryor fits.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's go Browns!

(just threw up in my mouth)

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Ravens score a TD

Went for it on fourth and short (QB sneak) and got it. McGahee scores on a seven-yard touchdown run.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Jets up 7-0

Mark Sanchez goes 5/6 for 50 yards on the Jets TD drive. Then he scrambles into the endzone for a touchdown.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Giants up 7-0

Brandon Jacobs rushes six times for 32 yards on the Giants opening drive. He scored on a six-yard touchdown run.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Titans fumble, Jets score TD, up 14-0

Fumble on kickoff return after the Jets scored a touchdown and the Jets recovered. Sanchez throws a two-yard TD pass to Hardsock.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Bengals fan in Austin, TX here

The guys at Red Reporter pointed me over here. You can blame them.

Trying to find other Bengals fans here is like trying to find an NPR listener at a Tea Bag protest.

Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.

by SullivanSmith on Sep 27, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

Who dey and all that.

Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.

by SullivanSmith on Sep 27, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome SS!

Maybe you recognize me from RR :)

by jsl413 on Sep 27, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Figures

There goes my season (fantasy football)

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I can never seem to draft a back that stays healthy the whole season.

by Adam Morgan on Sep 27, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's alright

in my other league i have matt forte and greg jennings. neither of which have really shown up this season.

by brandone on Sep 27, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good god

The Browns are friggin’ horrible.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Ravens up 10-0

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Cincinnati Bearcats

Ranked #10 by the AP!!!

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Nothing more infuriating...

Than having two NFL games on TV, and both of them are at commercial at the same time.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Eagles are killing the Chiefs, 14-0

Eagles: 128 yards total
Chiefs: 1 yard total

Cassel 2/3, 10 yards
Larry Johnson: 3 rushes, 1 yard

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Giants 14, TB 0

Through the first 15:06 in this game, the Giants have rushed for 96 yards already.

Jacobs: 11-44-TD
Bradshaw: 2-52

Former Giant RB Ward (who was also a big FA interest by the Bengals), has one rush for seven yards for TB.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Trey Wingo Tweet
chiefs only team in NFL to give up a td on every redzone possession by opponents,. 7-7 so far

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

In five early games

Five teams have at least a two-possession lead on their opponents. Ravens, Packers, Giants, Jets, Eagles.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Lions leading 7-0.

Defense forced a goalline stand on the Redskins (who didn’t score). Then the Lions offense went 99 yards to score a touchdown.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Can we talk about...

How pissed I am we took jerome simpson over Desean Jackson? As much as I know it’s only year 2, simpson can’t even get himself on the active 45 man roster and jackson would have been the punt returner we wanted before cosby. i said it the day of that draft and i’ll still say it, jackson is far better.

by brandone on Sep 27, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

RE:

You know, I made the argument last year that if we had Jackson last year, he likely wouldn’t have had much playing time anyway, with Chad and T.J. specifically ahead of him. But now? Now I can’t argue that anymore. Jackson would probably be the Bengals’ slot receiver by now.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

he loves the middle of the field. i watch him every week in philly and every week i tell my friend (a lifetime eagles fan) how pissed i am. he just laughs and says speed kills.

by brandone on Sep 27, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jackson in the first half

Three receptions, 117 yards, TD

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simpson in his career

One reception, two yards — and a bunch of inactive games.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

and not to mention

all of jackson’s punt returns in the past 2 years.

by brandone on Sep 27, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Officially for Simpson

In his career.

10 – games inactive (3 due to injury)
2 – games active, but did not play
6 – games in which he played

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haynesworth carted off.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

You have to love it when UC guys do things in the NFL.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Ravens dominating more than just score

Ravens: 268 yards total
Browns: 78 yards total

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

First downs

Ravens: 19
Browns: 4

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ravens

Four drives in the first half: TD, FG, FG, TD — two possession 12 plays or more.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kelley Washington looks really good too

Four receptions, 52 yards and a bunch of dancing on first downs.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Lions "dominating"

Lions 13-0 over Redskins

Lions: 274 yards total — Stafford 14/24 164 yards, TD… K.Smith 12 rushes, 82 yards
Redkins: 94 yards total

Portis: 4 rushes, -2 yards

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Anderson throws an interception.

LMAO!

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

On the 1st offensive play

Willis McGahee rushes for 34 yards on the ground.

It might be the Browns and all, but the Ravens offense is very good. I’m impressed.

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bengals inactives

J.Palmer, David Jones, Andre Smith, Nelson, Livings, Coffman, Simpson, Rucker

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by Josh Kirkendall on Sep 27, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

With the way the Ravens are playing..

A W against the Steelers is even more crucial today.

by Adam Morgan on Sep 27, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

But they are playing the browns.

The way the Karma goes, the Bengals beat the steelers and then the browns are fired up next week and upset the Bengals.

by mskiles314 on Sep 27, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

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