Bengals Banter: When Graham crackers finally crumble
+ WHEN GRAHAM CRACKERS FINALLY CRUMBLE. Shayne Graham has had a history of missing critical game-winning or game-tying field goals that's made us question his reliability as a clutch field goal kicker. And Sunday may have doomed his Bengals career. With 6:29 left in the third quarter, Graham missed a 35-yard field goal that would have brought Cincinnati to within four points. Instead he kicked it wide left and the Jets went on an eight-play 75 yard touchdown drive. With 3:54 remaining in the game, Shayne Graham capped Cincinnati's 13-play 52-yard drive with a missed 28-yard field goal that would have put Cincinnati to within a touchdown. Having three time outs and under four minutes left in the game, the Bengals could have put themselves in a position to tie the game, if not win the game.
I'm sure no one feels worse about losing than Shayne Graham. But that doesn't lesson the question: Is Shayne Graham's career in Cincinnati over? He was paid $2.483 million this year as the team's designated franchise player. Now Graham will be an unrestricted free agent which opens the door for Cincinnati for find a kicker that's a bit cheaper and hopefully more reliable when the game is on the line.
Something else to think on: If the Bengals offense actually produced in the redzone during Graham's field goal misses...
"There isn't anything you can say about that," coach Marvin Lewis said. "When you miss the field goal, you miss the field goal. It's a shame, and it killed us. Unfortunately, in this case, it's mostly a one-man operation, and that is the sad part of it. Shayne feels worse about it than anybody. These points obviously make a big difference."
After starting 7-2, the Bengals won only three of their final eight games and dropped four of their last five.
Palmer's longest pass play of the day was a pass interference call against Revis good for 26 yards.
Dhani Jones puts the season in perspective:
"How can you not like the foundation and the things we've done?" Jones said. "We've done a lot of phenomenal things. We just didn't do that one phenomenal thing that we needed to continue.
Several Bengals players suffered injuries against the Jets. Rashad Jeanty broke his leg. Andre Caldwell admits that he wouldn't have returned to the game if it wasn't a critical game and Laveranues Coles kept on getting hurt.
Don Banks questioned Marvin Lewis' use of his challenges:
2. Marvin Lewis' challenges. He burned his two by the first period, and both were fairly obvious losers. C'mon, Marvin, that's not why I made you Coach of the Year.
The following is a season-by-season look at Lewis' record when challenging plays during the regular season.
| Season | % Overturned |
| 2009 | 57% |
| 2008 | 86% |
| 2007 | 23% |
| 2006 | 25% |
| 2005 | 20% |
| 2004 | 40% |
| 2003 | 20% |
Peter King on the Bengals: "You can't convince me that Carson Palmer's not hurt. Either that or he's become Steve Sax or Steve Blass. You know, with some sort of thrower's block."
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Something to think about
I understand injuries are part of the game, but some people have questioned the Bengals medical staff (I think Palmer has his reservations). I, for one, am concerned with all of these injuries to key players and difference makers. I think the Bengals organization needs to evaluate their medical staff and personnel because I do not think it is up to par with other organizations. Do other people feel the same way?
by sgiridharan1982 on Jan 11, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions
Similarly
I think this carries over into our strength and conditioning personnel.
by sgiridharan1982 on Jan 11, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
not sure how you prevent broken bones...
weren’t most of the “out” injuries breaks?
Odom
Henry
Williams
Maulaga
Peko
Jeanty
Smith
Utecht was a break and a concussion, iirc… maybe I don’t
Gnight, Slim
Shayne makes those field goals and changes everything
Bengals still down, but instead are working the clock instead of having to try to rush downfield to get a score so they can hope to get the ball back.
Gnight, Slim
Earth to Mike Brown: The Bengals NEED an Indoor Practice Facility
They were 1-4 in cold weather because unless it’s 10 degrees and snowing, they are practicing down at PBS in the cold. They are worn out on Sunday b/c they’re worn out thru the week.
Man up, Mike Brown, and Pay the damn dollars.
by Yaccub Fleishcman on Jan 11, 2010 1:37 PM EST reply actions
Jets practiced outdoors
before both games and looked comfortable in the elements while we looked almost squeamish about it.
by IgnatiusJReilly on Jan 11, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Comment of the year, from the KSK game thread:
"Today, we’ve secretly replaced Marvin Lewis with Lovie Smith. Let’s see if they notice."
It’s a good thing I wasn’t drinking coffee when I read it.
Peter King also gave his Special Teams Player of the weekend to Rico Murray on that fantastic punt return where he just came out of nowhere and surprised the hell out of EVERYBODY. I was at the game, and we are all looking at each other like “Who the hell WAS that guy?”
it was a ballsy play. If he gets hit as he is fielding that ball and fumbles, he would have been cut at halftime, and shipped to wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be."
lol thats worthy of becoming a tagline.
Speaking of changes...
Cincy is in desperate need of a receiver — RIP, Slim — a tight end and a pass-rusher. If they can address this in the upcoming draft and free agency, they won’t miss a beat. Unfortunately, the lack of a practice facility is something I don’t think we’ll see addressed until Mike Brown is gone.
I'd take a larger scouting dept. before an indoor practice facility.
by featherman on Jan 11, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we have a lot of the same needs every off-season
which makes fans wonder about the micro-sized scouting department, as we do every off-season.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
I wont repeat
The text messages that I sent to my friends about Shayne Graham. Dude better get cut………for real.
We also need to fix either the WR’s or Palmer. Something there isn’t right. The Bengals arent that far away from being a very good team, but the passing game is horrible.
Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson
Who is the bigger choking hazard in football?
Shayne Graham or Jermaine Phillips?
Peter King is a dousche
The next few weeks are going to be filled with all of the media types proclaiming that they “knew all along the Bengals were not a good team” – mainly because they predicted nothing out of the Bengals in the preseason predictions and they love proving themselves right, facts be damned. The fact is the Bengals won a lot of games with a very young roster and some critical injuries.
I would not trade Carson Palmer for any other QB mainly because he is dedicated to this team and city. He showed some real leadership this season – maybe not as vocal as some would like. Him diving for the first down in frigid PBS this past weekend shows he’ll do what it takes to help the team win. Palmer was facing the #1 pass defense in the league – ALOT of QBs have had bad days against the Jets this year. I think he’s has earned the right for us to cut him some slack.
The Bengals lost because 1) they did not execute on some critical defensive plays, 2) the Jets had a very good offensive gameplan coupled with an all-Pro Offensive line, 3) Bratkowski refuses to make adjustments or utilize ANY deception in his play calling, and 4) Shayne Graham let the team down.
The Bengals can only fix what they control – the most critical weakness being the signing of a new OC. Just ONCE I would love to have seen the Bengals play-action pass from an unbalanced line. When I team rushes for 169 yards, you would think PA passes would be devastating.
In sum, however, this team gave me alot of joy this year. I can’t wait until next year.
"Ryan, Things in here don't react too well to bullets." - Marko Ramius
peter king...
i’ve noticed he tends to rip on the bengals. Yes he does give jonjo and leon hall their dues but other than that I find that he says things that are negative for no reason, always doubting the team can pull through (yes, I’m aware they lost in the first round and thus didn’t pull through but bear with me). Does anyone else think that he has a lot of negative comments for the bengals? I just find it curious because I thought he worked for the enquirer and lived in cincy for a long time
king is a perennial bengals hater
rarely has anything nice to say about the bengals. when he does, its normally a back handed compliment. king is a closet browns fan and tends to hate the bengals openly for it.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
PK hated the Bengals even when he was with the Enquirer
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 14, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
shayne is half-price
Shayne cost us big time- not only this game but Denver- Oakland- and almost two others. The guy should hold his hat in is hand-beg for forgiveness- and come back promising to be the guy he was. St.Louis? Huber? Come on you’re in charge- GET IT DONE!!!
2 MILL=PLUS- DONT FEEL A BIT SORRY. BE A MAN!
SHAYNE- You are in charge of kicking and you let me and your team down. How many times did we march down the field to see you choke- You need to set this right.. Raymo
You're willing to accept the misses as long as they are cheaper?
Count me out of that crowd.
Gnight, Slim
mike brown would be
they are probably already drawing up an incentive laden contract for graham to sign.
"wherever Brad St. Louis is and Shayne Graham is about to be." -R.F. Mehl
Here's why it mattered that he missed the kicks...
make the kicks and the Bengals are down by a score. Make one kick and the drive at 3.5 minutes in 4th is to tie.
The last two drives, Palmer and the offense were rushing to get two scores in less than five minutes. They’ve had plenty of practice of needing to get one score in 5 minutes or less and been decently successful (even when they ended up losing the game).
Last two rushed drives: Palmer is 3 for 13. Pretty limited offensive options when you have 3 minutes to get 10 points instead of 7 to tie or win.
Gnight, Slim
Am I the only person...
that thinks that Graham was franchised solely because that was the cheapest position for Mike Brown to franchise? I was baffled when I learned about it and my brother suggested that then…its the only way I can really make sense of it. If Brown didn’t franchise anyone, he looks like a straight up tightwad so did the next cheapest thing.
I was really looking forward to seeing the Ravens play you guys in the playoffs. Just remember, a lot of those young kids you picked up this year will get better. I firmly believe that despite the disappointing end of the season, the Bengals are on better footing then they have been in a decade. During the off season all the Bengals need to do is just keep Andre Smith from the buffets, the Brown family plane crashing and killing off the entire brood, and hold on to that Defensive Coach and I can see the Bengals really improving. I kid..I kid…we all know that Mike Brown is too cheap to fly…I assume he he bums rides from his unpaid college interns.
"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"
by UMBC Oriole fan on Jan 12, 2010 11:35 AM EST reply actions
Sign Nuge and be done with it ....
He will make clutch kicks for the Bengals …… this would seem to be a no-brainer.

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